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WNBA 09
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Posted: 05/16/24 8:57 pm ::: |
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WNBA 09
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Posted: 05/16/24 8:57 pm ::: |
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Katie Lou Samuelson isn’t looking great. Why does she start over Hull? |
Probably is due to shooting. Hull is considered a good defender but she is a poor shooter. Lifetime 32.8% (20.4% from three). Samuelson isn't great either at 39.9% (34% from three), but beats Hull. |
What were Vivian’s %? And her overall player rating while apart of the fever?
_________________ 3-Time WNBA Champion-3-Time National Champion-4-Time Olympic Champion....And Yes DT "We Got Confeti" lol
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 05/16/24 9:34 pm ::: |
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Ouch, somehow we got worse with Clark. I think it's just a lack of chemistry because we looked better during the stretches where Clark was on the bench. Anyways, here's hoping we can figure it out. |
Not sure about that. If you check the +/- stat, the team was -33 for the 30 minutes Boston was on the court but only -24 for the 30 minutes of Clark was in. And the worst per minute player was KLS, who was -28 in only 18 minutes. Of course it's far too early to draw conclusions, but the (very) early returns are not good.
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pilight
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Posted: 05/16/24 9:51 pm ::: |
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Is Sides on the hot seat already?
_________________ I'm sick and tired of the stories that you always tell
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You and Pinocchio are probably related
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calbearman76
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Posted: 05/16/24 11:03 pm ::: |
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Clark looks completely lost on the court when she doesn't have the ball. Her defense is poor and she picks up cheap fouls. Boston is a good defender but not as good as she was in college when the rest of the teams also played solid defense. And her physical play doesn't work against someone like Jones.
Hopefully Kelsey Mitchell can get fully healed and return to the starting lineup, but even with her their only realistic chance for wins this month will be against LA. (I assume that Seattle will figure things out in a few games.)
Then comes the big question; will fans still be excited to see a 2-7 team with Clark?
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J-Spoon
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Posted: 05/17/24 12:05 am ::: |
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IMO everyone making Indy a top six team was an over reaction and now everyone thinking they are really bad is also an over reaction.
Indy is a young team whose top two players are a rookie guard and a 2nd year post both are still transitioning to the league, going up against bigger and stronger players than they have most of their career and getting used to each other. even the best Guards take a couple of years to really get their footing and make the adjustments they need to make.
And IMO Mitchell and Clark are a bad combo in the back-court. It seems like Mitchell is coming off an injury but even still I can see why the coach would feel more comfortable playing Wheeler with Clark (especially if KLS is also on the court). ANd no disrespect to Mitchell and to a lesser degree Wheeler Indy doesn't have that kind of veteran presence that can steer the ship to winning ways. Mitchell has been the #1 option her entire time in Indy and Indy in her time just hasn't had the surrounding talent to get used to winning.
Honestly I would probably trade Mitchell (maybe for a veteran post with experience and leadership, because of the money she is on it will be hard but maybe a team like Chicago, Washington or LA could make it work if they decide to drop down to 11 after the trade and then probably be lottery bound anyone come trade deadline time) and Have the ball in Clark's hands a lot. Maybe have Wheeler as Clark's back up and give Hull a shot as the defensive counter part to Clark in the starting line up. Let Clark play through her mistakes 10 turn overs a night or not. I am confident that after the Olympic break we will see a much better Indy team and if they are in the lottery one more year that is OK they probably need one more blue chip player and they can start to ascend in 25 and beyond.
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DTP
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Posted: 05/17/24 1:30 am ::: |
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Was at the game tonight and didn't like the vibes at all. Very emotional group...any time Clark, Smith, or Wheeler subbed out you would think the world was ending. Way too much Wheeler time.....it's been really rough for her since returning to Indiana.
Hopefully Mitchell is back in the starting lineup on Saturday and I truly believe Wallace & Berger have to play more. Both will at least compete on defense and can provide something offensively, especially if you aren't Wallace at PG. Lexi and Wheeler just don't bring enough offensively to work right now. KLS has not looked good at all IMO- yeah she hit some shots but literally nothing else.
I'd look at Clark/Mitchell/Wallace/Smith/Boston > Wheeler/Berger/KLS/Temi rotation at least until June. I like Sides but I just don't know if she can handle this team....they may need to find a more veteran voice or someone on Vegas' bench that could potentially at least unlock this group offensively.
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blaase22
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threadkiller1201
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Posted: 05/17/24 2:44 am ::: |
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Debbie Antonelli said that Vegas, Washington, Atlanta and LA have changed their venue for when Indiana comes to town. Was that a mistake including LA? I thought they played at the same place as the Lakers. |
LA is playing their first 5(?) games at the Long Beach arena due to renovations at Crypto arena. |
Originally the first 5 games were going to be played at Long Beach State, but earlier this month that changed and now only the first 2 will be played in Long Beach, and from the 3rd game on (which just so happened to be the only game played at home against Indiana this year!) they will be back at Crypto.com in downtown L.A.
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HomerCecil
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Posted: 05/17/24 7:23 am ::: |
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It's certainly been a reality check for Clark and the Fever. But honestly, things might look a little bit different if they didn't open at Connecticut and then at home against New York. You knew the Sun, who love their disrespeCTed role as "underdog," would relish shutting Clark down on defense. Then they get their home opener against NY. The only thing worse could have been Vegas.
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hoopmom
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Posted: 05/17/24 8:58 am ::: |
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Why did the Fever trade Queen Egbo last year? She looked pretty good her first year, and they lack post depth. Also why did they trade Tiera McCowen 2 yrs ago?
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PUmatty
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Posted: 05/17/24 9:24 am ::: |
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Why did the Fever trade Queen Egbo last year? She looked pretty good her first year, and they lack post depth. Also why did they trade Tiera McCowen 2 yrs ago? |
Egbo is now on her third team in three seasons, so who knows what is going on there.
The McCowan trade didn't make any since at the time and still doesn't. Though, you couldn't play her and Boston at the same time, so she probably would have been moved by now anyway ...
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johnjohnW
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Posted: 05/17/24 9:26 am ::: |
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17,274 announced attendance.
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johnjohnW
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Posted: 05/17/24 9:28 am ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
Is Sides on the hot seat already? |
How many games did Jenny Boucek last in Seattle once they got Stewart? I can’t remember if she made it the whole first season or not.
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WNBA 09
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pilight
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Posted: 05/17/24 9:36 am ::: |
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johnjohnW wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Is Sides on the hot seat already? |
How many games did Jenny Boucek last in Seattle once they got Stewart? I can’t remember if she made it the whole first season or not. |
She coached the Storm for all of Stewart's rookie season and most of the next season.
_________________ I'm sick and tired of the stories that you always tell
Shakespeare couldn't tell a story that well
See, you're the largest liar that was ever created
You and Pinocchio are probably related
Full of criss-crossed fits, you lie all the time
Your tongue should be embarrassed, you're a threat to mankind
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tfan
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Posted: 05/17/24 9:56 am ::: |
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Then comes the big question; will fans still be excited to see a 2-7 team with Clark? |
Besides the losses, Clark isn't providing the excitement she did in college right now. Averaging 14.5 points per game in 2 games versus 28.4 in her college career. Not pushing the pace the same. I think Clark-drawn fans will lose interest if Clark in the WNBA can't come close to college Clark.
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PUmatty
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Posted: 05/17/24 10:22 am ::: |
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Clark is far from the only issue. Not even the biggest one.
Boston has looked terrible through two games. She disappeared a lot last season and most expected a bit step from her this year. Instead, she looks much, much worse. She shot 7-21 across two games AS A CENTER and, defensively, let the Liberty frontcourt run wild. She has been credited with 4 turnovers, but has contributed to or caused more than that.
And this is a player who most saw as a clear choice for the national team this year.
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pilight
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Posted: 05/17/24 10:27 am ::: |
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PUmatty wrote: |
Clark is far from the only issue. Not even the biggest one.
Boston has looked terrible through two games. She disappeared a lot last season and most expected a bit step from her this year. Instead, she looks much, much worse. She shot 7-21 across two games AS A CENTER and, defensively, let the Liberty frontcourt run wild. She has been credited with 4 turnovers, but has contributed to or caused more than that.
And this is a player who most saw as a clear choice for the national team this year. |
A panel of "experts" named her as a top five player in the league about a week ago
_________________ I'm sick and tired of the stories that you always tell
Shakespeare couldn't tell a story that well
See, you're the largest liar that was ever created
You and Pinocchio are probably related
Full of criss-crossed fits, you lie all the time
Your tongue should be embarrassed, you're a threat to mankind
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Posted: 05/17/24 10:30 am ::: |
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tfan wrote: |
calbearman76 wrote: |
Then comes the big question; will fans still be excited to see a 2-7 team with Clark? |
Besides the losses, Clark isn't providing the excitement she did in college right now. Averaging 14.5 points per game in 2 games versus 28.4 in her college career. Not pushing the pace the same. I think Clark-drawn fans will lose interest if Clark in the WNBA can't come close to college Clark. |
It’s almost like DT was right and not just a the mean spirited drunk everyone accused her of being.
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WNBA 09
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Posted: 05/17/24 10:35 am ::: |
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johnjohnW wrote: |
tfan wrote: |
calbearman76 wrote: |
Then comes the big question; will fans still be excited to see a 2-7 team with Clark? |
Besides the losses, Clark isn't providing the excitement she did in college right now. Averaging 14.5 points per game in 2 games versus 28.4 in her college career. Not pushing the pace the same. I think Clark-drawn fans will lose interest if Clark in the WNBA can't come close to college Clark. |
It’s almost like DT was right and not just a the mean spirited drunk everyone accused her of being. |
X is in an uproar calling for Christie Sides job because Caitlin was not the primary ballhandler and was not running the 1 where the ball went through her , but they quickly forgot she just had a game where she had 10 turnovers. I don't see any pro coach making the decisions to keep her at the 1 if anything this will be an experiment until she gets comfortable in this league.
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PUmatty
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Posted: 05/17/24 10:39 am ::: |
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johnjohnW wrote: |
tfan wrote: |
calbearman76 wrote: |
Then comes the big question; will fans still be excited to see a 2-7 team with Clark? |
Besides the losses, Clark isn't providing the excitement she did in college right now. Averaging 14.5 points per game in 2 games versus 28.4 in her college career. Not pushing the pace the same. I think Clark-drawn fans will lose interest if Clark in the WNBA can't come close to college Clark. |
It’s almost like DT was right and not just a the mean spirited drunk everyone accused her of being. |
Two things can be true at the same time.
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