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pilight
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Posted: 01/12/16 5:19 pm ::: |
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http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/01/11/wisconsin-high-school-basketball-air-ball-scoreboard-chants-banned
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the WIAA banned chants by student sections directed at opponents and/or opponents supporters that are clearly intended to disrespect.
The following words were reportedly included as examples:
Fundamentals
Sieve
We cant hear you
Air ball
You cant do that
Theres a net there
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Howee
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Posted: 01/12/16 5:36 pm ::: |
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How about the hijab, burka and what they represent in Western societies? Are they giving us a distorted view on Islamic status and treatment and attitudes towards women? Or is the politically correct enforcement of tolerance of those things distorting our view? |
Hmmm. Now why is Muslim treatment of women even part of this discussion, never mind their 'dress code'? If this is fuel for disparaging and/or fearing them, then please be fair minded, and include the many you DON'T see in L.A.: The millions of Amish, Mennonite, Mormon, Hutterite, etc., women that adhere to restrictive dress codes, meant to symbolize subservience to their men. They're Christian! (....and we might want to be egalitarian enough to include the Jewish Tzniut codes, too. ) Singling out the Muslims in this regard is just short-sighted, even IF popular.
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TonyL222
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Posted: 01/12/16 6:00 pm ::: |
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TonyL222 wrote: |
Howee, I live in DC and know many Muslims who aren't trying to cut off my head. My point was that there seems to be such a large proportion of radical Islamist compared to the whole, that maybe the message of Islam more easily leads itself to a radical interpretation. |
Perhaps the media and politicians are giving you a distorted view of how widespread the radicalism is. |
Perhaps. But mostly its studies like this:
THE WORLDS MUSLIMS: RELIGION, POLITICS AND SOCIETY
On page 29, a large majority say suicide bombings are rarely/never justified. But the percentage who do is fairly significant IMO, considering the large number of Muslims in the world.
On the hijab - one of my daughter's best friends in HS was Muslim and wore a hijab. Her older sister did not. Never met her father, but I concluded that in that family the hijab was a choice.
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pilight
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Posted: 01/12/16 6:03 pm ::: |
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TonyL222 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
TonyL222 wrote: |
Howee, I live in DC and know many Muslims who aren't trying to cut off my head. My point was that there seems to be such a large proportion of radical Islamist compared to the whole, that maybe the message of Islam more easily leads itself to a radical interpretation. |
Perhaps the media and politicians are giving you a distorted view of how widespread the radicalism is. |
Perhaps. But mostly its studies like this:
THE WORLDS MUSLIMS: RELIGION, POLITICS AND SOCIETY
On page 29, a large majority say suicide bombings are rarely/never justified. But the percentage who do is fairly significant IMO, considering the large number of Muslims in the world. |
To take a single study and accept it as "proof" is itself and act of faith.
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Posted: 01/12/16 6:07 pm ::: |
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Are there entire Amish, Mennonite, Mormon, Hutterite, nations where women have little or no rights? What are the numbers of Amish, Mennonite, Mormon, Hutterites in comparison to Muslims world wide? Are ANY Amish, Mennonite, Mormon, Hutterites of any consequence doing anything to distinguish themselves from other devout religions such as, oh, I don't know, blowing things up, mass shootings, random stabbings, pledging and plotting to destroy and terrorize the west? Are Amish, Mennonite, Mormon, Hutterites seeking to come to the US in large numbers due to the endless strife destruction and warfare and murder committed by other Amish, Mennonite, Mormon, Hutterites where they originate from?
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TonyL222
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Posted: 01/12/16 6:09 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
TonyL222 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
TonyL222 wrote: |
Howee, I live in DC and know many Muslims who aren't trying to cut off my head. My point was that there seems to be such a large proportion of radical Islamist compared to the whole, that maybe the message of Islam more easily leads itself to a radical interpretation. |
Perhaps the media and politicians are giving you a distorted view of how widespread the radicalism is. |
Perhaps. But mostly its studies like this:
THE WORLDS MUSLIMS: RELIGION, POLITICS AND SOCIETY
On page 29, a large majority say suicide bombings are rarely/never justified. But the percentage who do is fairly significant IMO, considering the large number of Muslims in the world. |
To take a single study and accept it as "proof" is itself and act of faith. |
I didn't say it was "proof". It's a Pew Research sample survey. But it is information.
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mercfan3
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Posted: 01/12/16 6:41 pm ::: |
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jammerbirdi wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
TonyL222 wrote: |
Howee, I live in DC and know many Muslims who aren't trying to cut off my head. My point was that there seems to be such a large proportion of radical Islamist compared to the whole, that maybe the message of Islam more easily leads itself to a radical interpretation. |
Perhaps the media and politicians are giving you a distorted view of how widespread the radicalism is. |
How about the hijab, burka and what they represent in Western societies? Are they giving us a disiorted view on Islamic status and treatment and attitudes towards women? Or is the politically correct enforcement of tolerance of those things distorting our view? |
Political correctness and cultural relativism are two different things.
But to answer the question...honestly I have mixed feelings. Obviously there are some cases where they are oppressive. Certain facets of Islam certainly deserve criticism there. Any time there's oppression of any group of people, that demo deserves criticism.
But what about for women who aren't being forced. Who believe in the values of "modesty"? And choose to cover.
I feel like oppression is when a woman doesn't have a choice. And therefore in those cases (and there are plenty of those cases) At the same time, I have to think that any woman who feels that modesty aka virginity is what determines a woman's value, or in other cases, where women feel that they like to cover because they feel men take them more seriously..are probably oppressed. But that sort of, more subtle oppression exists in more than just Islamic cultures.
Also, here's an example of polls about Christianity/abortion clinic bombers.
"That adds up to about 31 percent of all Americans who, while they don't condone acts like the shooting in Colorado Springs, see them as no worse than the abortion providers they target."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/americans-abortion-poll_5661e77be4b08e945fef5d88
Agreeing with the actual act was a very small percentage, but this poll did a good job breaking it down. And my guess is, that if you took the time to survey Muslims, you'd get similar results.
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pilight
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Howee
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Posted: 01/12/16 9:56 pm ::: |
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jammerbirdi wrote: |
Are there entire Amish, Mennonite, Mormon, Hutterite, nations where women have little or no rights? What are the numbers of Amish, Mennonite, Mormon, Hutterites in comparison to Muslims world wide? Are ANY Amish, Mennonite, Mormon, Hutterites of any consequence doing anything to distinguish themselves from other devout religions such as, oh, I don't know, blowing things up, mass shootings, random stabbings, pledging and plotting to destroy and terrorize the west? Are Amish, Mennonite, Mormon, Hutterites seeking to come to the US in large numbers due to the endless strife destruction and warfare and murder committed by other Amish, Mennonite, Mormon, Hutterites where they originate from? |
....and this feeds the point: These groups are NOT doing such things, so we don't criticize their male-centric religious practices. But Muslim women in their hajibs, et. al., are fair game?? Majority or not, they don't have a monopoly on suppression of females. And this is hardly the biggest problem they present to US.
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jammerbirdi
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Posted: 01/12/16 10:28 pm ::: |
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Howee if there's a comparatively minuscule and inconsequential number of people doing something... it has no impact on society at large. When numbers are involved it's an entirely different issue. My goodness, you are asking what difference this makes? Now? After Germany is reeling from a mass culture clash involving Muslim men absolutely unprepared for the sight of Western women out freely celebrating in the streets at night? To quote Joe Biden, Come on, man.
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Howee
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Posted: 01/14/16 11:31 am ::: |
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jammerbirdi wrote: |
Howee if there's a comparatively minuscule and inconsequential number of people doing something... it has no impact on society at large. When numbers are involved it's an entirely different issue. My goodness, you are asking what difference this makes? Now? After Germany is reeling from a mass culture clash involving Muslim men absolutely unprepared for the sight of Western women out freely celebrating in the streets at night? To quote Joe Biden, Come on, man. |
Well, ya....it DOES have an impact. Okay: agreed....an Amish woman's bonnet is irrelevant here. But just because it is part of an small minority, doesn't mean it isn't symbolic of 'male repression', which seems to be what people here are conflating with The Evils of Islam.
My point is, if it's okay to mock/denigrate Muslims because of their female dress codes, which-->means they're abusive to women-->deserve our hatred/deportation/etc., (whether there's many or few) then we're on a very slippery slope.
I still believe we're in trouble if we *just* want to hate Islam. Is The Evil perpetrated by Muslims any more evil than that which we saw perpetrated by Hitler? Pol Pot? Idi Amin? They didn't hit as close to home, but still....I can remember my parents talking about how they dare not speak German in public during that time: public fear/hatred of such things is irrational and harmful.
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Posted: 01/14/16 12:03 pm ::: |
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Irrational fear of anything is harmful. Including irrational fear of irrational fear.
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pilight
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When jackasses started getting women drunk and raping them, it pretty much ruined that drink name. Had people not crossed that line, the name would not have the same meaning and no one would blink at it. But since alcohol is a huge weapon in the arsenal of the rapist, naming a drink a "Panty Dropper" just reinforces that connection. |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dc-restaurant-pill-cosby-cocktail_us_59232a16e4b03b485cb3d630
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A newly opened pop-up restaurant, bar, and retail store in Washington D.C. has named one of its cocktails the âPill Cosbyâ |
_________________ I'm sick and tired of the stories that you always tell
Shakespeare couldn't tell a story that well
See, you're the largest liar that was ever created
You and Pinocchio are probably related
Full of criss-crossed fits, you lie all the time
Your tongue should be embarrassed, you're a threat to mankind
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justintyme
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Posted: 05/22/17 2:41 pm ::: |
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That drink is so over the top with the pills floating in it that I actually believe he was trying to be satirical.
However, it is still a dumb idea and probably not the right place/subject to be trying out amateur satire.
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Demi Lovato Says Calling Extraterrestrials 'Aliens' Is Offensive
https://z100.iheart.com/content/2021-10-11-demi-lovato-says-calling-extraterrestrials-aliens-is-offensive/
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But, I think that we have to stop calling them aliens because aliens is a derogatory term for anything |
_________________ I'm sick and tired of the stories that you always tell
Shakespeare couldn't tell a story that well
See, you're the largest liar that was ever created
You and Pinocchio are probably related
Full of criss-crossed fits, you lie all the time
Your tongue should be embarrassed, you're a threat to mankind
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Posted: 10/11/21 6:01 pm ::: |
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As if I couldn't think she was more full of shit already. |
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