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Shades
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Posted: 10/25/16 2:18 pm ::: 2017 Nancy Lieberman Award Watch List |
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2017 Watch List
http://www.pointguard.org/watch_list.html
Lindsay Allen - Notre Dame
Lexie Brown - Duke
Loren Cagle - Lipscomb
Jordin Canada - UCLA
Meghan Creighton - Drexel
Ashley Deary - Northwestern
Makayla Epps - Kentucky
Katelynn Flaherty - Michigan
Caitlin Ingle - Drake
Jessica January - DePaul
Alexis Jones - Baylor
Jackie Kemph - St. Louis
Jessica Kovatch - St. Francis PA <-- only sophomore on list
Kelsey Mitchell - Ohio State
Adrienne Motley - Miami FL
Kia Nurse - Connecticut
Brooke McCarty - Texas
Alexis Peterson - Syracyse
Kelsey Plum - Washington
Sydney Wiese - Oregon State
History
2016 Jefferson
2015 Jefferson
2014 Sims
2013 Diggins
2012 Diggins
2011 Vandersloot
2010 A Riley
2009 R Montgomery
2008 Toliver
2007 Harding
2006 Latta
2005 T Johnson
2004 Taurasi
2003 Taurasi
2002 Bird
2001 Bird
2000 Bird
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GlennMacGrady
Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 8289 Location: Heisenberg
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Posted: 10/25/16 3:38 pm ::: |
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This award and list raises the esoteric question of what the heck is a "point guard" -- terminologically, substantively and Platonically.
First, it should be noted that the noun "guard" clearly denotes a defensive responsibility and not an offensive responsibility. Indeed, in the days of three court basketball, the two guards were restricted to the defensive court. In my high school days, a point guard was the player who played at the top of a 1-2-2 zone. This was usually a short and quick player.
But terms and meanings change, and "point guard" seems to have shed all defensive denotation and even connotation, and now seems to denote something offensive.
What exactly does it denote? A player's intrinsic skill set? A position on the floor? A name or number on a play diagram?
I leave it to Generation Y to answer these cabalistic questions, but in the meantime I question whether some of the better known names on the Lieberman list are best described as point guards.
If Kelsey Mitchell stays on the list and Ohio State plays upper crusty, she should be the favorite. Jordin Canada deserves serious scrutiny. I'll personally root for Loren Cagle of Lipscomb because I like a euphonious underdog.
And I'd like to make a point of offering a guarded if belated huzzah to Andrea Riley and Courtney Vandersloot, who won the Lieberman Award without being on a power team from a Power Five conference. |
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Jet Jaguar
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Posted: 10/25/16 6:22 pm ::: |
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Glenn, do you just enjoy using large vocabulary words or something? This is a women's basketball forum, not your college thesis. No one is impressed, we just have to get a dictionary out to decipher your post. So you can start using common English like the rest of us since you're not impressing anybody.
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Jet Jaguar
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Posted: 10/25/16 6:30 pm ::: |
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This award is pretty much a joke every year. I didn't have a problem with Jefferson winning but some of the players on the watch list and end up being finalists are not even point guards. Maybe I'm old-fashioned but I think to be in consideration for a point guard award you should at least lead your OWN TEAM in assists. Something Kelsey Mitchell, Motley, Epps, Flaherty (off the top of my head) didn't do last year. Many of these are 2 guards, or combo guards at best.
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GlennMacGrady
Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 8289 Location: Heisenberg
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Posted: 10/25/16 7:14 pm ::: |
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Jet Jaguar wrote: |
Glenn, do you just enjoy using large vocabulary words or something? |
Yes. I spent time learning them and intend to use them . . . if they are condign. |
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myrtle
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Posted: 10/25/16 7:25 pm ::: |
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GlennMacGrady wrote: |
Jet Jaguar wrote: |
Glenn, do you just enjoy using large vocabulary words or something? |
Yes. I spent time learning them and intend to use them . . . if they are condign. |
lol. some of us have no problems with your posts. And I must say I love your peace wagon avatar!
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myrtle
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Posted: 10/25/16 7:28 pm ::: |
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Kovatch with her negative A/TO number is an 'interesting' choice.
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 10/25/16 7:57 pm ::: |
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Myrtle, while peace wagon would do, that is the Magic Bus, which is not only my actual vehicle but also the name of my two YouTube channels and part time vocation.
Jet Jaguar, in fairness, I don't always use unfamiliar words. Sometimes, however, I do even worse: I make up my own words ("neologisms") and try to sneak in puns and other word play. I can assure you that in my eighth decade, I'm not looking to impress anyone on an obscure, low traffic internet board. I write on various boards simply as an avocation.
Although I consider avid dictionary look-ups to be a very valuable exercise for myself unto this very day, I can also assure anyone who is unfamiliar with my 17 year career on WBB boards that they can ignore all the big words in my posts, and most of the small ones, without affecting the worthlessness of my content one bit. |
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 10/25/16 8:48 pm ::: |
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myrtle wrote: |
Kovatch with her negative A/TO number is an 'interesting' choice. |
While she scored 21 points/game (41% FG, 36% 3FG), she had only 46 assists all season against 102 turnovers. Definitely not my idea as a PG either. She was fourth on her own team on assists, and the only teammate who had more turnovers than her (126) also had many more assists (110).
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mzonefan
Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 4879 Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Posted: 10/26/16 9:26 am ::: |
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While it's nice to see her get some recognition, Katelynn Flaherty is definitely not a point guard...especially with 84 assists to 104 turnovers. As a comparison, Michigan's real point guard, Siera Thompson, had 178 to 82.
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Shades
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Posted: 10/26/16 10:51 am ::: |
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Well obviously the award has recognized combo guards for a long time. Taurasi? Sims in 2014? Niya Johnson was the true PG on that team.
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linkster
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Posted: 10/26/16 2:25 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
Well obviously the award has recognized combo guards for a long time. Taurasi? Sims in 2014? Niya Johnson was the true PG on that team. |
Taurasi led her team in assists in both 2003 & 2004 with 163 and 170 and had a positive a/t ratio in both years despite being listed as a G/F on the roster.
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Howee
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