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ArtBest23
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Posted: 07/28/14 12:44 pm ::: 2014-15 Duke Non-Conference Schedule |
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This is a pretty impressive schedule, especially considering the nature of their conference schedule. Will this end up as the #1 schedule strength in the country? aTm, NU, UCONN, KY, S.Car, OU, plus ND, Louisville, FSU, Syracuse, GaTech, and UNC twice.
They had better find some guards fast.
2014-15 Duke Non-Conference Schedule
Sunday, Oct 26 - Blue vs. White game
Thursday, Oct 30 - Limestone (Exhib)
Sunday, Nov 2 - Armstrong Atlantic State (Exhib)
Sunday, Nov 16 - @ Alabama
Thurs Nov 20 - @ ODU
Sunday, Nov 23 - vs MARQUETTE
Tuesday, Nov 25 - vs BUFFALO
Friday, Nov 28 - vs STONY BROOK
Sunday, Nov 30 - @ Texas A&M
Wednesday, Dec 3 - @ Nebraska
Sunday, Dec 7 - vs. SOUTH CAROLINA
Wednesday, Dec 17 - vs OKLAHOMA
Friday, Dec 19 - vs UMASS LOWELL
Sunday, Dec 21 - vs KENTUCKY
Tuesday, Dec 30 - @ UCONN
Friday, Jan 2 - vs NC A&T.
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patsweetpat
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Posted: 07/28/14 7:49 pm ::: Re: 2014-15 Duke Non-Conference Schedule |
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That does look like a tough OOC schedule. The only OOC schedule I can think of thusfar that appears to rival it is that of my UCLA Bruins.
In descending order of difficulty (based on last year's final Sagarin RPI ranking)...
UCLA:
vs. UConn (in Uncasville) 1
Notre Dame 2
@UNC 10
Texas 16
@James Madison 17
Nebraska 18
Cincinnati 121
Sacramento State 157
UC Riverside 244
vs. TBD (at Tulane DoubleTree Classic, New Orleans) ???
Average Sagarin ranking of 9 known opponents: 65.1
Duke:
@UConn 1
South Carolina 9
Texas A&M 12
Kentucky 13
@ Nebraska 18
Oklahoma 27
Marquette 69
@ Alabama 85
NC A&T 117
@ ODU 127
Buffalo 168
Stony Brook 202
UMass Lowell 335
Average Sagarin Ranking of 13 known opponents: 91
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 07/28/14 9:43 pm ::: |
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But if you look at the full conf and non-conf, I expect Duke has a substantial lead.
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patsweetpat
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Posted: 07/28/14 10:51 pm ::: |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
But if you look at the full conf and non-conf, I expect Duke has a substantial lead. |
Hard to know without knowing exactly who (and how many) games are played against which conference opponents. But, for the sake of conversation, let's speciously assume that each conference opponent will be played only once by each team.
In that case, we get this:
UCLA:
vs. UConn (in Uncasville) 1
Notre Dame 2
Stanford 3
@UNC 10
Texas 16
@James Madison 17
Nebraska 18
Oregon St. 22
Cal 35
ASU 38
u$c 42
Colorado 47
UW 56
WSU 66
Oregon 70
Cincinnati 121
Utah 132
Sacramento State 157
Arizona 158
UC Riverside 244
vs. TBD (at Tulane DoubleTree Classic, New Orleans) ???
Average Sagarin ranking of 20 known opponents: 62.75
Duke:
@UConn 1
Notre Dame 2
Louisville 7
South Carolina 9
North Carolina 10
Texas A&M 12
Kentucky 13
@ Nebraska 18
Syracuse 19
FSU 25
Oklahoma 27
NC St. 29
Georgia Tech 31
Virginia 48
Miami 60
Marquette 69
@ Alabama 85
Wake Forest 87
Virginia Tech 90
BC 105
NC A&T 117
@ ODU 127
Pitt 131
Clemson 148
Buffalo 168
Stony Brook 202
UMass Lowell 335
Average Sagarin Ranking of 27 known opponents: 73.14
Slight edge to UCLA, given the above (admittedly, imperfect) assumptions. And, of course, these are *last* year's Sagarin rankings, which won't be identical to this year's, obviously. Still, if Duke *does* end up having what amounts to a tougher schedule 2014 total schedule than UCLA, the above'd seem to cast doubt on the notion that Duke's lead, in that regard, will be much of a "substantial" one.
In any event, it's all nitpicking. Tough sked for the Bruins. Tough sked for the Devils.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 07/28/14 11:45 pm ::: |
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Using last years rankings paints a dubious picture, though. Prime example - no one thinks Stanford will be close to, much less better than, S Carolina. Indeed, ESPN's pre season rankings put S Car at 2 and Stanford at 20 rather than the Stanford 3, S Car 9 that you used.
Using that ESPN list, Duke plays ## 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 10 (twice), 15, 16, 21. All of the top six except Tennessee. That's brutal.
UCLA gets 1, 5, 9, 10, 11, 15, 20 and 24.
Pretty large gap when viewed this way.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 07/28/14 11:45 pm ::: |
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Using last years rankings paints a dubious picture, though. Prime example - no one thinks Stanford will be close to, much less better than, S Carolina. Indeed, ESPN's pre season rankings put S Car at 2 and Stanford at 20 rather than the Stanford 3, S Car 9 that you used.
Using that ESPN list, Duke plays ## 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 10 (twice), 15, 16, 21. All of the top six except Tennessee. That's brutal.
UCLA gets 1, 5, 9, 10, 11, 15, 20 and 24.
Pretty large gap when viewed this way.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 07/28/14 11:45 pm ::: |
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Using last years rankings paints a dubious picture, though. Prime example - no one thinks Stanford will be close to, much less better than, S Carolina. Indeed, ESPN's pre season rankings put S Car at 2 and Stanford at 20 rather than the Stanford 3, S Car 9 that you used.
Using that ESPN list, Duke plays ## 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 10 (twice), 15, 16, 21. All of the top six except Tennessee. That's brutal.
UCLA gets 1, 5, 9, 10, 11, 15, 20 and 24.
Pretty large gap when viewed this way.
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patsweetpat
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Posted: 07/29/14 12:07 pm ::: |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
Using last years rankings paints a dubious picture, though. Prime example - no one thinks Stanford will be close to, much less better than, S Carolina. Indeed, ESPN's pre season rankings put S Car at 2 and Stanford at 20 rather than the Stanford 3, S Car 9 that you used.
Using that ESPN list, Duke plays ## 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 10 (twice), 15, 16, 21. All of the top six except Tennessee. That's brutal.
UCLA gets 1, 5, 9, 10, 11, 15, 20 and 24.
Pretty large gap when viewed this way. |
You appear to be citing the pre-season rankings of one single person (Charlie Creme) back in mid-March, which strikes me as no less dubious. Still, given that UCLA will actually play Creme's #11 twice and Creme's #20 twice, Creme's actually predicting that Duke and and UCLA will face the exact same number of Top-25 opponents: 10 apiece. Also, just looking at Creme's rankings ignores the fact that Duke plays more games against mediocre-to-bad opponents than does UCLA.
In any event, I guess we'll see when the season is done how the respective SOS's have shaken out. Personally, I'll be shocked if the numbers declare there to be a "large gap" between the two SOS's.
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GEF34
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Posted: 07/29/14 6:33 pm ::: |
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patsweetpat wrote: |
ArtBest23 wrote: |
Using last years rankings paints a dubious picture, though. Prime example - no one thinks Stanford will be close to, much less better than, S Carolina. Indeed, ESPN's pre season rankings put S Car at 2 and Stanford at 20 rather than the Stanford 3, S Car 9 that you used.
Using that ESPN list, Duke plays ## 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 10 (twice), 15, 16, 21. All of the top six except Tennessee. That's brutal.
UCLA gets 1, 5, 9, 10, 11, 15, 20 and 24.
Pretty large gap when viewed this way. |
You appear to be citing the pre-season rankings of one single person (Charlie Creme) back in mid-March, which strikes me as no less dubious. Still, given that UCLA will actually play Creme's #11 twice and Creme's #20 twice, Creme's actually predicting that Duke and and UCLA will face the exact same number of Top-25 opponents: 10 apiece. Also, just looking at Creme's rankings ignores the fact that Duke plays more games against mediocre-to-bad opponents than does UCLA.
In any event, I guess we'll see when the season is done how the respective SOS's have shaken out. Personally, I'll be shocked if the numbers declare there to be a "large gap" between the two SOS's. |
The pre-season top 25 was originally published on March 16, but it has been updated at least once since then, I don't see a date of when it was last updated, but it has been updated.
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