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ClayK
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I actually feel just the opposite ...
If Parker hadn't gone to Tennessee, wasn't as attractive, wasn't fawned over by the media, I think she would be more highly respected.
She's a really, really, really good player, and if not in the Hall of Fame, in the Hall of Excellent.
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| Posted: 09/19/19 10:03 am ::: |
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| Rebecca Lobo / Asjha Jones
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| Posted: 09/19/19 10:34 am ::: |
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| WNBA 09 wrote: |
| Rebecca Lobo / Asjha Jones |
Neither of whom are on the list?
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| Posted: 09/19/19 11:02 am ::: |
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| PUmatty wrote: |
| WNBA 09 wrote: |
| Rebecca Lobo / Asjha Jones |
Neither of whom are on the list? |
Didn't read the topic of 20@20 sorry . Just a period thing with me lol
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| Posted: 09/19/19 4:27 pm ::: |
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| Spoon, by a big margin is the worst. Then, it's close among Cash, Nolan and Hammon. |
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| Posted: 09/20/19 6:01 pm ::: |
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*Hides behind cover* Sue Bird.
In all seriousness, what has she accomplished when she's not paired with an all-time/future all-time great? People give her so much credit and I just don't get it.
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| Posted: 09/20/19 6:05 pm ::: |
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*Hides behind cover* Sue Bird.
In all seriousness, what has she accomplished when she's not paired with an all-time/future all-time great? People give her so much credit and I just don't get it. |
Why should she be penalized for having equally great teammates?
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| Posted: 09/20/19 6:42 pm ::: |
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| FemmeFatale wrote: |
*Hides behind cover* Sue Bird.
In all seriousness, what has she accomplished when she's not paired with an all-time/future all-time great? |
The same thing that Taurasi, Moore, Whalen, Augustus, Thompson, Cooper, Pondexter, and Swoopes have accomplished._________________
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| Posted: 09/20/19 6:51 pm ::: |
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| Yeah, it's pretty hard for an individual to achieve the ultimate success in basketball without a lot of help. Tamika Catchings is probably the closest thing we've seen to doing it. (cue SpaceJunkie)
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| Posted: 09/21/19 4:58 am ::: |
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| Plus, as a PG I would argue it's more likely that Bird elevated the greatness of her teammates more than her teammates elevated her's.
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| Posted: 09/22/19 9:01 am ::: |
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Weatherspoon, Penicheiro and Cash are the three that should for sure be removed on a Top 25 at 25.
Hammon belongs. Although she had a slower start to her career than others, she had a 10-year stretch (2003-2012) where her average line was 29.1 GP, 32.4 MIN, 15.9 PTS, 43.6 FG%, 37.9 3P%, 91.1 FT%, 4.8 AST, 3.0 REB, 1.3 STL and 3.4 TOV. Some may point to the high turnovers, but Hammon is one of the most efficient scorers we've seen, much more so than most of the other guards on the list.
Career TS%
Cooper .610
Hammon .590
Taurasi .586
Smith .554
Whalen .551
Bird .544
Augustus .544
Pondexter .519
Nolan .507
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| Posted: 09/22/19 12:36 pm ::: |
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| Yeah, it's pretty hard for an individual to achieve the ultimate success in basketball without a lot of help. Tamika Catchings is probably the closest thing we've seen to doing it. |
And she still doesn't get enough credit for the stupidly fucking amazing things she achieved despite that. How many times have Taurasi's teams over the years dropped to utterly mediocre when she didnt have oodles of help? Catchings kept her teams much more consistently very, very good, made the playoffs in 12 straight seasons, and had a run of winning 20+ games in 7 of 8 years. All with how many genuine all-star calibre teammates? Maybe two? And yet who's the player we have to endlessly see being showered with goat emojis?
Sorry, that was largely off-topic. Taurasi and Catchings are both gonna keep appearing on these anniversary teams for as long as they keep picking them. |
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| Posted: 09/22/19 12:40 pm ::: |
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| RP wrote: |
| Weatherspoon, Penicheiro and Cash are the three that should for sure be removed on a Top 25 at 25. |
If you think there will be eight new players to add
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| Posted: 09/22/19 12:56 pm ::: |
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| RP wrote: |
| Weatherspoon, Penicheiro and Cash are the three that should for sure be removed on a Top 25 at 25. |
If you think there will be eight new players to add |
Delle Donne, Fowles, Griner, N.Ogwumike, McCoughtry, Charles, Vandersloot, Stewart?
By no means saying they're all dead certs, but I could see people making the argument for any and all of them. And there's always a chance that someone like Penny Taylor who was left off the last list gets back in despite having been retired throughout the interim. |
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| Posted: 09/22/19 1:11 pm ::: |
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| FemmeFatale wrote: |
*Hides behind cover* Sue Bird.
In all seriousness, what has she accomplished when she's not paired with an all-time/future all-time great? People give her so much credit and I just don't get it. |
I take it you're holding those post Jackson/pre-Stewart seasons against her when she was the best player on those teams. To her credit, she has been the common denominator and the floor general for those all of the Storm championships with different rosters She has stepped in the playoff games that the Storm probably would have lost if she didn't.
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| Posted: 09/22/19 9:50 pm ::: |
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Spoon & Cash.... then Ticha even though I love her.
Am I reading people really calling Parker overrated?? |
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| Posted: 09/22/19 10:01 pm ::: |
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| flojojr2007 wrote: |
Spoon & Cash.... then Ticha even though I love her.
Am I reading people really calling Parker overrated?? |
Well, the players of the WNBA did, so I'm not shocked that fans would as well.
Personally, I think it depends on how you look at it. I think some of the pushback from players and fans comes from how she is spoken about from a media perspective. Sometimes it feels like the way she is spoken about she should be one of the top 5 players of all time. Yet, I would rank her somewhere around 10-15.
So, she isn't overrated in such a way that she doesn't belong on this list, or is a borderline player on this list like some of the others, but rather if we ranked the 20@20 from 1-20 she would be lower on a lot of people's lists than what we think the league/media would have put her at if they had done so.
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| Posted: 09/22/19 10:38 pm ::: |
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A lot of people (including players who have never played with her) don't like her.
But I wouldn't say she's overrated in any sense. The media fawns over a lot of players other than Candace. When healthy, she's still one of the best in the world and has been for a while.
But anyway, I grudgingly gave my three lol |
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| Posted: 09/22/19 10:40 pm ::: |
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| justintyme wrote: |
| flojojr2007 wrote: |
Spoon & Cash.... then Ticha even though I love her.
Am I reading people really calling Parker overrated?? |
Well, the players of the WNBA did, so I'm not shocked that fans would as well.
Personally, I think it depends on how you look at it. I think some of the pushback from players and fans comes from how she is spoken about from a media perspective. Sometimes it feels like the way she is spoken about she should be one of the top 5 players of all time. Yet, I would rank her somewhere around 10-15.
So, she isn't overrated in such a way that she doesn't belong on this list, or is a borderline player on this list like some of the others, but rather if we ranked the 20@20 from 1-20 she would be lower on a lot of people's lists than what we think the league/media would have put her at if they had done so. |
This is it, chief.
There aren't twenty players in the history of the WNBA better than Candace Parker. That being said, to echo a sentiment I have expressed about Maya Moore, in the past... it is possible to be one of the best players ever, and still be overrated. The above bolded text is my cite.
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| Posted: 09/22/19 10:41 pm ::: |
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*Hides behind cover* Sue Bird.
In all seriousness, what has she accomplished when she's not paired with an all-time/future all-time great? People give her so much credit and I just don't get it. |
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