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Genero36
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Stormeo
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Posted: 09/17/19 9:07 pm ::: |
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If I had to pick three, I’d say Spoon, Hammon, and Cash.
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justintyme
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Posted: 09/17/19 9:23 pm ::: |
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Spoon, Cash, Pondexter
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FrozenLVFan
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Posted: 09/17/19 9:35 pm ::: |
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Spoon, Cash, and Hammon.
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myrtle
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Posted: 09/17/19 11:02 pm ::: |
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Spoon and Cash for sure. #3 is really hard if you consider them when they were at the top of their games. I would probably give it to Pondexter. She was one of the earlier super guards, but there are guards today just as good as she was in her prime. I think Hammon was always underrated - she did some pretty amazing things. Ticha was pretty one-dimensional, but certainly special in that dimension. I actually think Whalen was over-rated, but she was such a bulldog and it helped that she had really good players around her.
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pilight
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Posted: 09/18/19 7:11 am ::: |
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Pondexter was better than Tweety Nolan. Cappie's FG%, 3P%, FT% are all better. Cappie's ATO is better. Cappie didn't quit when adversity came.
Spoon, Nolan, Parker are the overrated trio.
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Genero36
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Posted: 09/18/19 8:51 am ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
Spoon, Nolan, Parker are the overrated trio. |
Okay. You gave us your reasons for Nolan. What is it about the two-time MVP that you find overrated?
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pilight
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Posted: 09/18/19 9:08 am ::: |
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Genero36 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Spoon, Nolan, Parker are the overrated trio. |
Okay. You gave us your reasons for Nolan. What is it about the two-time MVP that you find overrated? |
She didn't deserve either of those MVPs. She's a media darling, and they consistently place her higher than she should be. They placed her 5th in 2015 when she missed most of the season.
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Genero36
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Posted: 09/18/19 9:13 am ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
Genero36 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Spoon, Nolan, Parker are the overrated trio. |
Okay. You gave us your reasons for Nolan. What is it about the two-time MVP that you find overrated? |
She didn't deserve either of those MVPs. She's a media darling, and they consistently place her higher than she should be. They placed her 5th in 2015 when she missed most of the season. |
Now, I have to go look back at those seasons and see the vote tally. lol.
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justintyme
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Posted: 09/18/19 9:25 am ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
Genero36 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Spoon, Nolan, Parker are the overrated trio. |
Okay. You gave us your reasons for Nolan. What is it about the two-time MVP that you find overrated? |
She didn't deserve either of those MVPs. She's a media darling, and they consistently place her higher than she should be. They placed her 5th in 2015 when she missed most of the season. |
Who was your 2008 MVP? Whalen?
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Genero36
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pilight
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Posted: 09/18/19 9:36 am ::: |
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justintyme wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Genero36 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Spoon, Nolan, Parker are the overrated trio. |
Okay. You gave us your reasons for Nolan. What is it about the two-time MVP that you find overrated? |
She didn't deserve either of those MVPs. She's a media darling, and they consistently place her higher than she should be. They placed her 5th in 2015 when she missed most of the season. |
Who was your 2008 MVP? Whalen? |
Ghod no, I would never give MVP to someone on a team with a losing record.
That was the year for a PG to win it, though. It should have gone to Sue Bird. She kept the Storm afloat through LoJack's injury.
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Posted: 09/18/19 9:39 am ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
justintyme wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Genero36 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Spoon, Nolan, Parker are the overrated trio. |
Okay. You gave us your reasons for Nolan. What is it about the two-time MVP that you find overrated? |
She didn't deserve either of those MVPs. She's a media darling, and they consistently place her higher than she should be. They placed her 5th in 2015 when she missed most of the season. |
Who was your 2008 MVP? Whalen? |
Ghod no, I would never give MVP to someone on a team with a losing record.
That was the year for a PG to win it, though. It should have gone to Sue Bird. She kept the Storm afloat through LoJack's injury. |
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pilight
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Posted: 09/18/19 9:40 am ::: |
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mavcarter wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
justintyme wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Genero36 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Spoon, Nolan, Parker are the overrated trio. |
Okay. You gave us your reasons for Nolan. What is it about the two-time MVP that you find overrated? |
She didn't deserve either of those MVPs. She's a media darling, and they consistently place her higher than she should be. They placed her 5th in 2015 when she missed most of the season. |
Who was your 2008 MVP? Whalen? |
Ghod no, I would never give MVP to someone on a team with a losing record.
That was the year for a PG to win it, though. It should have gone to Sue Bird. She kept the Storm afloat through LoJack's injury. |
Pilight hasn’t had his coffee this morning, the Sun won 21 games in 2008. |
That was before the trade, wasn't it
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PUmatty
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Posted: 09/18/19 9:45 am ::: |
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Weatherspoon and Penechiero are always the easy choices for me. Regardless of whatever else they could do, both were either unable or unwilling to add scoring to their game. If you can't do that, you aren't one of the top players. Full stop.
Swin Cash had a couple of greats seasons, but was most just very good. Olympic team politics aside, did she really have a better career than contemporaries like Katie Douglas or Penny Taylor? Were her highs really better than the highs of says, Alana Beard or Chamique Holdsclaw? In 2016, did she really add up to more than six years of Tina Charles?
At some point, I wonder how much it matters to these kinds of discussions that Cynthia Cooper only had 4 seasons.
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Genero36
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Posted: 09/18/19 9:56 am ::: |
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PUmatty wrote: |
Weatherspoon and Penechiero are always the easy choices for me. Regardless of whatever else they could do, both were either unable or unwilling to add scoring to their game. If you can't do that, you aren't one of the top players. Full stop.
Swin Cash had a couple of greats seasons, but was most just very good. Olympic team politics aside, did she really have a better career than contemporaries like Katie Douglas or Penny Taylor? Were her highs really better than the highs of says, Alana Beard or Chamique Holdsclaw? In 2016, did she really add up to more than six years of Tina Charles?
At some point, I wonder how much it matters to these kinds of discussions that Cynthia Cooper only had 4 seasons. |
Much as I hate to downgrade my favorite player, I have to agree that Ticha does not belong on the list -- and of course, neither does Weatherspoon.
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bbsamjj
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Posted: 09/18/19 9:59 am ::: |
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Cynthia Cooper I think will always make a "greatest of" WNBA list--not only because she was that dominant when she played, but because she was so important to the league in its infancy.
Cappie Pondexter may still be the greatest one-on-one player the league ever had, at her prime.
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Posted: 09/18/19 11:27 am ::: |
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I think Spoon and Cash are obvious choices. Then you can make a case for Cappie, Ticha, Hammon, and Nolan for the third spot. Do their names belong on the list with Bird, Leslie, Cooper, Catchings, et al?
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Genero36
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Posted: 09/18/19 1:58 pm ::: |
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bbsamjj wrote: |
Cynthia Cooper I think will always make a "greatest of" WNBA list--not only because she was that dominant when she played, but because she was so important to the league in its infancy.
Cappie Pondexter may still be the greatest one-on-one player the league ever had, at her prime. |
Although this is about the WNBA, I think her international brilliance in what were the most competitive women leagues in the world before the WNBA/ABL helps support her greatness. Especially, since she was past her prime during the inception of the WNBA.
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SDHoops
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Posted: 09/18/19 4:02 pm ::: |
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Parker is hella overrated. Yeah, she has skills, but it seems like an open ended question. No doubt in my mind that people rank her way higher than she is, in general, just because of her looks and she's a diva. If she were, say Tina Charles or Sylvia Fowles, we all see how they've gotten treated over the years..underrated.
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justintyme
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Posted: 09/18/19 4:17 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
justintyme wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Genero36 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Spoon, Nolan, Parker are the overrated trio. |
Okay. You gave us your reasons for Nolan. What is it about the two-time MVP that you find overrated? |
She didn't deserve either of those MVPs. She's a media darling, and they consistently place her higher than she should be. They placed her 5th in 2015 when she missed most of the season. |
Who was your 2008 MVP? Whalen? |
Ghod no, I would never give MVP to someone on a team with a losing record.
That was the year for a PG to win it, though. It should have gone to Sue Bird. She kept the Storm afloat through LoJack's injury. |
Oh come on now. I love a good PG, but neither Whalen nor Bird...
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