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| If only they didnt cut Russell |
Talk about a bad move. Vaughn was kept instead of Russell.
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| Posted: 09/18/19 10:46 am ::: |
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| There was no reason why the Liberty couldn't keep both Vaughn and Russell. That would have given NY a normal complement of five posts. Also, Vaughn was re-signed two months before NY drafted Russell, and Kia might have received a guaranteed contract. Coleman signed 3 weeks after the draft. NY didn't need her. SF/SG was already covered by Zellous, Nurse, Allen, Prince, and Rodgers. Hartley could also slide over to SG. So, Coleman ended up occupying a post slot where she was terrible playing with her back to the basket. Also, cutting Vaughn would have looked bad. By now, it's accepted practice to allow a player time off to join her national team with no punishment other than a suspension. Cutting Vaughn while she was overseas, and after you just gave her a new contract, would have made the organization appear ruthless and untrustworthy among players and agents.
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| Posted: 09/18/19 11:38 am ::: |
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| Any chance of getting Leilani Mitchell to back up and teach Ionescu?
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| Posted: 09/18/19 12:21 pm ::: |
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| Any chance of getting Leilani Mitchell to back up and teach Ionescu? |
FLB seems very happy in Phoenix. The only way she moves is if the Mercury undertake a full rebuild with young players. Reading the Phoenix thread, no one seems to think that will happen. All the proposed scenarios include Mitchell.
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| Posted: 09/18/19 12:54 pm ::: |
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| I still think IMS can be a useful option that's realistically obtainable. She's an RFA and you may have to overpay a little bit to prevent Dallas from matching, but I don't think they'd fight too hard to keep her -- especially with Cox on the way and Stevens expected to be healthy. All NY needs from Imani is to be a big, long obstacle on defense. It's sort of what Russell does so well for Seattle. No gaudy stats, just presence. And if you believe in the advanced statistics, albeit based on limited bench minutes, McGee-Stafford is 6th in Rebound% and 4th in Block%. For about 20 mpg, she can plug that big defensive hole in the middle. Zahui can be the offfensive half of the platoon. |
Here we go.......
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| Posted: 09/18/19 12:57 pm ::: |
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| Any chance of getting Leilani Mitchell to back up and teach Ionescu? |
I always wonder why people think players would be better teachers than coaches, who are essentially trained as teachers. (Of course, some coaches may not meet that standard, but most are professionals.)
Good players, even smart good players, are not necessarily good teachers. The skill sets are way different.
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| Posted: 09/18/19 1:36 pm ::: |
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| Any chance of getting Leilani Mitchell to back up and teach Ionescu? |
I always wonder why people think players would be better teachers than coaches, who are essentially trained as teachers. |
Because players often times credit teammates and mentors. It’s not a competition so I’m not sure why you’re so sensitive to the notion. It’s just common sense. The more people that want to help you and give you different perspectives and insights, the better you can get.
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| Posted: 09/18/19 1:48 pm ::: |
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| Bob Lamm wrote: |
| Any chance of getting Leilani Mitchell to back up and teach Ionescu? |
I always wonder why people think players would be better teachers than coaches, who are essentially trained as teachers. (Of course, some coaches may not meet that standard, but most are professionals.)
Good players, even smart good players, are not necessarily good teachers. The skill sets are way different. |
Fascinating. Did I say that I felt that players would be better teachers than coaches? I don't see that in my one sentence. Where did you see it?
For me, your statement that most coaches "are professionals" is meaningless. I'm not all that impressed with the standards of professionalism in the two professions I'm part of (writing and teaching) or in any other profession. Including coaching.
Would a coach be a better teacher for Ionescu than Leilani Mitchell or another experienced point guard? Maybe, but maybe not.
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| Posted: 09/18/19 1:55 pm ::: |
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| Bob Lamm wrote: |
| Any chance of getting Leilani Mitchell to back up and teach Ionescu? |
I always wonder why people think players would be better teachers than coaches, who are essentially trained as teachers. |
Because players often times credit teammates and mentors. It’s not a competition so I’m not sure why you’re so sensitive to the notion. It’s just common sense. The more people that want to help you and give you different perspectives and insights, the better you can get. |
Definitely not a competition. We can find endless examples of current and former athletes who offer lavish praise for teammates and mentors, just as we can find endless examples of current and former athletes who offer lavish praise for coaches.
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| Posted: 09/18/19 4:53 pm ::: |
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| If you look at Stokes' healthy seasons, there's a legitimate argument that she was in those seasons a better player than Dolson. Considering how bad we were this year at defending players in space, Dolson looks to me like someone to pass on. |
Please count me as one Liberty fan who is very skeptical about Kiah Stokes. I can't assess how much of her decline from her initial time with the Liberty was the result of injuries. I don't believe anyone can. Her decline was obvious and I don't believe anyone can convince me that in 2020 she's going to be the player she was in 2016.
I'm not against Stokes being a bench player for the Liberty. But I don't expect too much from Stokes. |
We know two things that are factual about Kiah...at least if you take LFO at his word in 2017. First, that in early 2017 she was out of shape. It sure looked it to me. Second, in 2018 she fractured her foot in training camp. Moving forward, I think it’s reasonable to wonder what her conditioning will be like and that’s certainly a legit reason to be skeptical about a return to form. I do also know what I saw in Eurobasket and that Kiah looked to me like the Kiah of old. So while I wouldn’t say I’m skeptical about her moving forward, I’d say I’m more like 60-40.
The thing I’m more concerned about is that I don’t like our entire defense being based on one player period. Especially one I regard as only fairly likely to return to form. I think complementing her with someone would be great. I just don’t think it should be Dolson. With her our offense would be great but our defense would be awful again. I think we need a more well-rounded player if we realistically expect to exceed what we’ve already got.
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| Posted: 09/18/19 5:42 pm ::: |
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| Bob Lamm wrote: |
| Any chance of getting Leilani Mitchell to back up and teach Ionescu? |
I always wonder why people think players would be better teachers than coaches, who are essentially trained as teachers. (Of course, some coaches may not meet that standard, but most are professionals.)
Good players, even smart good players, are not necessarily good teachers. The skill sets are way different. |
Fascinating. Did I say that I felt that players would be better teachers than coaches? I don't see that in my one sentence. Where did you see it?
For me, your statement that most coaches "are professionals" is meaningless. I'm not all that impressed with the standards of professionalism in the two professions I'm part of (writing and teaching) or in any other profession. Including coaching.
Would a coach be a better teacher for Ionescu than Leilani Mitchell or another experienced point guard? Maybe, but maybe not. |
My apologies -- you and Shades have it right. I overreact to the player as coach aspect every time.
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| Posted: 09/18/19 5:50 pm ::: |
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My apologies -- you and Shades have it right. I overreact to the player as coach aspect every time.
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Apology fully accepted here. I'll bet you're an outstanding coach. And we know that an outstanding coach can be very crucial to players of any age, both in terms of their basketball careers and their lives off the court.
I certainly didn't mean to slight coaches in general. Just would like to see a new coach for the New York Liberty.
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| Posted: 09/18/19 6:28 pm ::: |
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| Coaches can also facilitate and maximize the player peer mentoring process in certain situations. I think Bill did well with Wright and Cash in NY, for instance.
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| Posted: 09/18/19 7:21 pm ::: |
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| Coaches can also facilitate and maximize the player peer mentoring process in certain situations. I think Bill did well with Wright and Cash in NY, for instance. |
This is a really good point. An intelligent coach who has players like Tanisha Wright and Swin Cash late in their careers will give them space, where it's appropriate and can be valuable, to speak out and to mentor younger players. I agree that Laimbeer did that well.
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| Posted: 09/18/19 7:47 pm ::: |
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| wow. wonder why they waited so long. anyway, hopefully she heals quickly.
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| Posted: 09/18/19 8:27 pm ::: |
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I am actually currently undergoing physical therapy for a torn shoulder labrum. Alyssa Thomas is incredibly playing with two labral tears in her shoulders. Mine is only grade 2 and it hurts at times quite a bit. I'd imagine a hip is even more painful. Makes it understandable why Durr was out so long.
Not sure why the wait. A labrum tear does not heal itself and I'm not sure what outside of a tear would have necessitated the procedure. For me, I can do PT and strengthen it, but I am not a professional athlete.
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I suspect you're right. These things are not always crystal-clear immediately. And if there's uncertainty it's always possible that a patient wants to wait a bit in the hope of avoiding surgery, but then it becomes clear that surgery is the way to go.
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| Posted: 09/18/19 11:27 pm ::: |
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But I dont understand your comment about "that explains why the surgery
was performed in LA" HSS is on our uniforms ...and without sounding too
much of a New Yorker...we do have great Hospitals and Doctors here |
That was the point. According to HSS' own website, their doctors have led the Liberty's medical staff for the last dozen years. Apparently, they weren't up to the task in this case. Probably the specialist in LA figured out the problem, so he performed the surgery.
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| Posted: 09/19/19 12:21 am ::: |
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OK in another thread Atl fans seem disenchanted with E. Will.
She is an undersized center and doesn't score a lot but she was on my fantasy team and rebounded very well and always got some steals and blocks.
Atl also doesn't have a 2nd round pick so what about Stokes and 13 for E. Will?
I think E. Will brings the same defensive presence that Stokes brings but has done it more consistently and the last two years and her lack of scoring and range won't really matter on a team with Ionescu, Durr, Nurse and Charles as the other starters.
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| If Atlanta wants to unload Williams because she is both lazy and has a guaranteed max contract, I don't see why you need to give up both Stokes and the 2nd Round pick. Actually, under those circumstances, I don't see why you'd want her at all but certainly not for two players.
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