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toad455
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Posted: 08/07/20 8:34 pm ::: |
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Let's feel good about the W and that Mystics were off tonight. We actually played defense tonight, too. It's clear though that we need to hit our 3s to stand a chance.
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Bob Lamm
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Posted: 08/07/20 8:47 pm ::: |
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toad455 wrote: |
Let's feel good about the W and that Mystics were off tonight. We actually played defense tonight, too. It's clear though that we need to hit our 3s to stand a chance. |
The starters hit an excellent 12 for 26 on threes. The "second team" of rookies off the bench went 0-6 on threes (though we saw Walker hit one that was waved off). Over the rest of this season, it'll be important to get some threes from those five rookies, especially Walker and Willoughby (as I assume they'll be on the court more than Jones, Shook, or Holmes).
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bluedevilaztecfan5
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Posted: 08/07/20 9:58 pm ::: |
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Bob Lamm wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
Let's feel good about the W and that Mystics were off tonight. We actually played defense tonight, too. It's clear though that we need to hit our 3s to stand a chance. |
The starters hit an excellent 12 for 26 on threes. The "second team" of rookies off the bench went 0-6 on threes (though we saw Walker hit one that was waved off). Over the rest of this season, it'll be important to get some threes from those five rookies, especially Walker and Willoughby (as I assume they'll be on the court more than Jones, Shook, or Holmes). |
Walker will eventually find her groove, she’s looked out of game (and general) shape to me, and so many air balls. I wonder if anybody keeps track of that stat, I think she could be close to a record in a season. She’s shooting 5% from 3....but Clarendon had been at 8% and jumped to 29% after going 4-5. So Megan should be alright.
Willoughby has been shooting the 3 at 45% on the season and was 0-1 tonight. So as you pointed out, those two should help throughout the season.
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Posted: 08/08/20 9:04 am ::: |
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Lib sign Paris Kea
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Shades
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Posted: 08/08/20 9:20 am ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
Lib sign Paris Kea |
Not a terrible signing... and Root liked her back in the 2019 draft talk days. I felt Hiedeman was better.
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root_thing
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Posted: 08/08/20 10:32 am ::: |
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Post Game Press Conference 8/7: Hopkins, Clarendon, Nurse, Zahui B.
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I'm a big fan of Paris Kea. She can create off the dribble, and Paris shot the ball really well overseas this winter. Also, Kea is a very good passer, although she can get a little TO prone when over-aggressive. I'm a little surprised because Kea is a slender 5-9/5-8, so she doesn't really fit the positionless scheme defensively. However, she should blend in well offensively.
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toad455
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Posted: 08/08/20 10:40 am ::: |
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At least it's not another rookie. Kea should be available by next weekend once she actually arrives in the wubble and quarantines for four days. Will help avoid having Nurse or Jones running PG.
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J-Spoon
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Posted: 08/08/20 11:50 am ::: |
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Should NY pick up Paris Kea?
I was trying to think of a non rookie PG who could fill the gap assuming Boyd isn't getting invited back
(according to something I read Burdick is expected yo quarantine for 4 day outside the bubble and a couple more in but could be good to play in a week to 10 days, so getting an outside player in the 12th spot wouldn't take too long if we act fast).
I also wouldn't mind Cuevas-Moore, I enjoyed her that one pre-season she was with the Liberty. |
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bluedevilaztecfan5
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Posted: 08/08/20 12:17 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
Lib sign Paris Kea |
https://www.si.com/college/unc/basketball/paris-kea
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While surgery is not required, Liberty are expecting the NCAA All-Time leader in career triple doubles to be out for months to heal.
Kea comes in immediately eligible to join the Liberty for practices after completing the WNBA's league COVID-19 safety requirements. |
Not sure how accurate (haven’t listened to the postgame interview yet) this is but hopefully she can join quickly to get acclimated to the team.
http://www.fiba.basketball/eurocupwomen/19-20/player/Paris-Yvonne-Kea
I’ll be honest I wasn’t one thrilled at the prospect of Kea, due to the turnover rate in the W. And considering our being prone to turn the ball over already.
But this offseason in 12 games for Spartak MR Vidnoje, Kea averaged:
14.8ppg, 55.6%FG, 48.7% 3pt (1.6 made), 84.8%FT, 2.3rpg, 1.3apg, 1.4TO, 1.2spg in 24mpg.
Of course, overseas EuroCup stats aren’t indicative of play in the W, but hopefully that 3pt shooting translates.[/quote]
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Bob Lamm
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Richyyy
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Posted: 08/09/20 7:33 am ::: |
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I thought it was interesting the way Zahui B's successful offensive game led into her defense. People normally talk about it the other way round, how defense can lead to offense, but it seemed like once she started hitting shots she started feeling good and focussed on the other end as well. Because Zahui B often plays some complete garbage defense, including early in that Washington game. But as the game wore on, she was making plays, and moving her feet, and generally staying involved and keeping her head in the game.
Maybe she's one of those players where Hopkins should make sure he runs a couple of plays for her right at the start, and then she'll be more productive as the game goes on. Sometimes it's all about the mind games, more than how much time you put in on the practice court or in the weight room. |
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root_thing
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Posted: 08/09/20 9:52 am ::: |
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I’ve been saying since Zahui B. arrived in NY that she is a momentum player. If Amanda gets off to a good start, there’s a reasonable chance she’ll have a decent game. But if she gets off to a bad start, then it’s highly unlikely she’ll turn things around. The problem with Zahui is that she’s very mistake-prone. I don’t know if it’s bad instincts or low basketball IQ, but she can kill you with turnovers and fouls. On the other hand, Amanda clearly possesses some skills and at this point she is very experienced. Zahui has been a star overseas for 3 or 4 years, so there's even a history of sustained success in a pro environment. It’s no shock when you see these occasional good games. The question is will they ever be more than just flashes.
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Bob Lamm
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Posted: 08/09/20 11:27 pm ::: |
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Hard to fairly assess Walt Hopkins' system and approach based on seven games with some crucial Liberty players definitely or probably (Sabrina) out for the season. I can imagine it perhaps working well when we have all our best shooters on the court or ready to come in from the bench.
But I will strongly dissent from Walt on this: I don't want to see Kiah Stokes continuing to shoot three-pointers. I don't care if she's lights out in practice. She otherwise had a valuable game against the Aces with 12 rebounds, two blocks, and some good defense. Yet Kiah was 0-5 on threes and is now four for 25 (.160 percentage) for the season. Walt: do you want Kiah Stokes taking a three-pointer in a very close game with three minutes left? I saw it today. I don't want to see that again.
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ClayK
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Posted: 08/10/20 10:33 am ::: |
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If you assume that the Liberty are not a title threat this year, and if you want to find out if Kiah Stokes can become a WNBA starter by adding three-pointers to her game, then she should fire away.
It's possible, if not likely, that she will not be effective from distance. But if you give her enough time and she settles in to being an average three-point shooter (regardless of position), you now have transformed a borderline WNBA starter into a difficult matchup and a much more valuable player.
Also, this serves as notice to other posts in and out of the league that if you can shoot threes, you can find a home in New York.
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root_thing
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Posted: 08/10/20 10:41 am ::: |
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Post Game Press Conference 8/9: Hopkins, Zahui B., Stokes
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bluedevilaztecfan5
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Posted: 08/10/20 11:43 am ::: |
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Amanda Zahui B wasn’t a huge 3pt threat in college...showed promise in her rookie season with Tulsa (12-36).
Her first two seasons in New York she shot 5-24 from distance. But she’s kept working on it, and kept shooting in the games. That’s much more promising than what Kiah has shown, based on Amanda’s rookie season.
And Kiah is on a much more accelerated track as far as attempts go.
I don’t like to see 0-5 at the end of a game, nor do I really want an unproven shooter taking a 3 at the end of a close game.
But I want to see her keep shooting in general. I think her form is nice, and several of her misses have rimmed out. I did like how she was more aggressive attacking in the paint too, and with her left.
Also, funny in the interview how Walt says something along the lines of “not trying to go after the refs, they’re not biased” then soon after says A’ja got some superstar calls, well deserved, and “I just told my players that’s the way the league works, like the NBA”.
Doesn’t super star treatment=bias?
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root_thing
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Posted: 08/10/20 12:18 pm ::: |
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Kiah Stokes is the GOAT!...If accolades for making 3's during practice were a thing.
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Rock Hard
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Posted: 08/10/20 1:15 pm ::: |
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root_thing wrote: |
Kiah Stokes is the GOAT!...If accolades for making 3's during practice were a thing. |
You have to have faith. You have to have hope. All things are possible if you only believe.
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Bob Lamm
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 08/10/20 7:32 pm ::: |
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Rock Hard wrote: |
You have to have faith. You have to have hope. All things are possible if you only believe. |
Yes, indeedy, Peter Pan explained this very clearly to Wendy and the lost boys, and proved it. If audience belief can bring Tinker Bell back to life, surely it can vivify Kiah Stokes' moribund three-point shot. |
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Posted: 08/10/20 7:55 pm ::: |
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Posted: 08/11/20 10:04 am ::: |
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Re: Kiah, she’s always been able to shoot 3s in practice/warmups. I think 80% of her issue is unselfishness/lack of confidence. She made a killer spin move in this game as well. She has skill. She doesn’t have IMO much self-belief in her offensive game. It may not be great, but it’s definitely better than she shows. Honestly on a team that’s going nowhere, I’m ok with her shooting 3s in these games. If it’s a skill set that improves, great. If it’s not, so what? If NY keeps losing, which they probably will, there’s a 75% chance of a top 2 pick, which will translate into a post player being available. If there’s no college season and they do something weird with the draft, you still have numerous young players you can move. Either way either Kiah improves her shooting and is a rotation player of importance in 2021 or she doesn’t and you use her off the bench as a defensive specialist.
The development of Zahui is the most important portion of the season right now. She’s never been consistent and even with her two breakout games she’s at 41% from the field. You can’t count on her hitting 10 threes every two games out of 7 just to sustain a 41% FG % so I think development in the paint is vital to her improvement. OTOH her rebounding has been terrific and her defense/activity have been good. I’m hoping she’ll be a fifth player on a team with a very strong core 4 next year. As such, if you get 8 ppg, 7 rpg and floor spacing out of your fifth-best offensive player, you’re probably in a good place.
The Liberty are like a mind-numbing 10 points per 100 behind the next team in offensive efficiency. I can’t imagine how bad the numbers are when Jones is at PG. Whatever it is, it must be awful. Kea has to help just by default.
In spite of the offensive numbers, the system itself is a VERY guard-friendly offense. It’s an offense Durr should thrive in if she sustains no longer-term issues with COVID. If she’s 100% next year it’s an ideal system for a player with her skills.
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Bob Lamm
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Posted: 08/11/20 10:26 am ::: |
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NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote: |
The development of Zahui is the most important portion of the season right now. She’s never been consistent and even with her two breakout games she’s at 41% from the field. You can’t count on her hitting 10 threes every two games out of 7 just to sustain a 41% FG % so I think development in the paint is vital to her improvement. OTOH her rebounding has been terrific and her defense/activity have been good. I’m hoping she’ll be a fifth player on a team with a very strong core 4 next year. As such, if you get 8 ppg, 7 rpg and floor spacing out of your fifth-best offensive player, you’re probably in a good place. |
I agree with all this. No way will Zahui B. hit four or five threes per game over an entire season, but the Liberty won't need that in 2021. If she can be consistent at a lesser offensive level, continue to rebound well, and play good defense, that will be huge. The Hopkins offense with Ionescu, Durr, Zahui B., Nurse, and Walker as starters--with Clarendon, Johannes, Willoughby, Odom, a high first-round pick, and perhaps Stokes or Han on the bench--could score LOTS of points.
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