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Ay Mate
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Posted: 08/31/18 2:52 pm ::: |
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It does seem like female coaches are given a way shorter window to achieve success than men coaches, some of which have been around forever. |
Bull. The majority of bad WNBA coaches have been women. History shows male WNBA are better and more successful.
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pilight
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Posted: 08/31/18 3:08 pm ::: |
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Ay Mate wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
It does seem like female coaches are given a way shorter window to achieve success than men coaches, some of which have been around forever. |
Bull. The majority of bad WNBA coaches have been women. History shows male WNBA are better and more successful. |
The men have generally been far more experienced, thanks to the greater opportunity afforded to them. No woman would ever get the chance to lose as many games as Dan Hughes has. They certainly wouldn't get the opportunity to coach a good team with a record like his. Fred Williams will get a 4th head coaching job before several women with better records get a second one.
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Shades
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Posted: 08/31/18 3:11 pm ::: |
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Fred Williams will get a 4th head coaching job before several women with better records get a second one. |
Yeah, I figure Williams may be headed to Chicago since he said he wasn’t done.
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 08/31/18 3:29 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
The men have generally been far more experienced, thanks to the greater opportunity afforded to them. No woman would ever get the chance to lose as many games as Dan Hughes has. They certainly wouldn't get the opportunity to coach a good team with a record like his. Fred Williams will get a 4th head coaching job before several women with better records get a second one. |
The other issue with Stocks is that she was the GM. She put the team together and was not winning.
Chicago has had two star players - Sylvia Fowles and Elena Delle Donne - force trades. The team cannot afford to be mired in mediocrity.
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Shades
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Posted: 08/31/18 3:37 pm ::: |
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Fowles left during the Pokey administration and Delle Donne left at the same time the Stocks administration started. Stocks shouldn’t take the heat for either of those.
Now if you want to blame her for getting the lottery pick that led to DeShields acquisition by trading away McGee-Stafford and Tamera Young, then go ahead.
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ClayK
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Posted: 08/31/18 5:02 pm ::: |
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It seems to me that the biggest issue for Stocks was that she'd never been in charge before she came to Chicago -- and suddenly she was GM and coach.
There's a big difference between being in the first seat on the bench and standing up and running a game, and it takes adjustment. I don't think the ideal place for that kind of learning is the WNBA, but you never can tell. Some coaches make the change without a hitch; others struggle with the new role, and not necessarily just with Xs and Os. All of a sudden, the former good cop assistant is now the bad cop in charge, and the relationship structures are completely different.
Then add in negotiating contracts, dealing with more of the business side, etc. ...
I think it was reasonable to fire Stocks, but a case could have been made to give her one more year as well. There are obviously a lot of issues we don't know anything about, positive and negative.
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tfan
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Posted: 08/31/18 6:13 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
It does seem like female coaches are given a way shorter window to achieve success than men coaches, some of which have been around forever. |
That's probably not the only outside factor that has such an effect |
No different than rebkell coaching criticism.
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tfan
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Posted: 08/31/18 6:23 pm ::: |
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Then add in negotiating contracts, dealing with more of the business side, etc. |
With the amount of people these small WNBA teams employ on the business side, I wouldn’t expect a GM to have to deal with any of it. The Sky have a CEO, a CRO (chief revenue officer), a CFO, a Vice President, 5 Directors, an Executive Director, and 3 Managers listed on their staff directory.
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Posted: 09/01/18 6:34 am ::: |
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The first name I want to throw out there for the new head coach of Sky is David Blatt.
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Posted: 09/01/18 12:02 pm ::: |
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Stocks lost her job when she passed on Azura Stevens.
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Posted: 09/01/18 12:32 pm ::: |
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Chicago management probably wasn't too thrilled about who Stocks planned on taking in the upcoming draft....I find it odd how Stocks was fired just 3 Days after representing the Sky at the draft lottery.
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Shades
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Posted: 09/01/18 12:50 pm ::: |
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Stocks lost her job when she passed on Azura Stevens. |
Why does Pokey still have hers? Indy must be too focused on the e-League (or whatever they call it) to worry about the WNBA.
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pilight
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Posted: 09/01/18 4:08 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
Stocks lost her job when she passed on Azura Stevens. |
Why does Pokey still have hers? Indy must be too focused on the e-League (or whatever they call it) to worry about the WNBA. |
Maybe Borders leaned on them to keep her. It would look bad if all the black coaches got fired and none of the white ones.
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Shades
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Posted: 09/01/18 4:12 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
toad455 wrote: |
Stocks lost her job when she passed on Azura Stevens. |
Why does Pokey still have hers? Indy must be too focused on the e-League (or whatever they call it) to worry about the WNBA. |
Maybe Borders leaned on them to keep her. It would look bad if all the black coaches got fired and none of the white ones. |
What about the quick firing of women coaches compared to men?
Is that something you can demonstrate graphically?
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