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ArtBest23
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Posted: 11/28/16 2:09 pm ::: AP Poll Week 4 |
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Except for a couple of outliers, the top three are pretty well acknowledged.. (Some guy from Wyoming has SCar a ridiculous fifth on his ballot, a few have S Car 4th and Antonneli has UConn 4th behind Maryland.)
1 Notre Dame (16) 6-0 803
2 Connecticut (14) 4-0 797
3 South Carolina (3) 5-0 766
4 Baylor 7-1 725
5 Maryland 6-0 694
6 Mississippi State 7-0 636
7 Louisville 6-1 634
8 Florida State 6-1 551
9 Ohio State 5-2 546
10 UCLA 5-1 541
11 Stanford 6-1 479
12 Oklahoma 5-0 445
13 Washington 6-1 423
14 Texas 2-2 400
15 DePaul 5-1 318
16 West Virginia 7-0 303
17 Kentucky 5-1 276
18 Miami 5-1 245
19 Florida 4-1 192
20 Syracuse 4-3 146
21 Colorado 6-0 116
22 Tennessee 3-2 99
23 Auburn 6-1 70
24 Oregon State 3-1 69
25 Texas A&M 5-0 68
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 11/28/16 2:22 pm ::: |
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Interesting that all it takes are 5 wins over nobodies, a loss to WVU, and to be the beneficiary of an epic collapse by an IU team that got crushed by 3-3 Western Ky for Auburn to end up in the top 25.
Do they really belong there over GaTech, KSt, Cal, Gonzaga, Green Bay, etc?
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Phil
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Posted: 11/28/16 2:26 pm ::: |
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After watching South Carolina, I can easily understand them being ranked ahead of UConn. I haven't yet seen Maryland so I have no opinion whether they should be ahead of them as well.
The most glaring mistake is leaving Tennessee ranked. I get that there's some inertia in the polls but inertia explains why the team might be a couple of places higher or lower than they really should be. The early computer rankings can be suspect but we are far enough along that the computer rankings have some validity. Tennessee is ranked 32nd by Massey and 33rd by Sagarin. It isn't hard to identify a dozen teams that have a better record, better wins and less bad losses than Tennessee.
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Nixtreefan
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Phil
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Posted: 11/28/16 2:49 pm ::: |
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I don't disagree that Auburn is the recipient of some lazy voting. The theoretical advantage of human voting over machine voting is that you can use the eye test, and maybe pick up some things that aren't fully reflected in the won loss record, the margin of victory, and the strength of the opponents. But Auburn has played almost nobody. Both Massey ranking them at 34th and Sagarin, ranking them at 45th reflect the fact that their nice-looking won loss record comes at the expense of a pile of cupcakes many of which they didn't blow off the floor. Marist is ranked 252nd by Massey. They are one and six. Auburn beat them by a whopping one point. I haven't seen them play, so I can apply my own eye test, but based on the numbers they don't deserve to be on the top 25. Maybe not as far down as 45 but somewhere in the 30s. That said, the record stacks up favorably to Tennessee so wherever you place Auburn you ought to be placing Tennessee close or a little below.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 11/28/16 2:49 pm ::: |
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Antonelli has Louisville 7th, which is their consensus ranking. Several voters still have them 5th, including Connecticut writer Jim Fuller (who has Baylor behind them in 6th).
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 11/28/16 2:56 pm ::: |
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Phil wrote: |
I don't disagree that Auburn is the recipient of some lazy voting. The theoretical advantage of human voting over machine voting is that you can use the eye test, and maybe pick up some things that aren't fully reflected in the won loss record, the margin of victory, and the strength of the opponents. But Auburn has played almost nobody. Both Massey ranking them at 34th and Sagarin, ranking them at 45th reflect the fact that their nice-looking won loss record comes at the expense of a pile of cupcakes many of which they didn't blow off the floor. Marist is ranked 252nd by Massey. They are one and six. Auburn beat them by a whopping one point. I haven't seen them play, so I can apply my own eye test, but based on the numbers they don't deserve to be on the top 25. Maybe not as far down as 45 but somewhere in the 30s. That said, the record stacks up favorably to Tennessee so wherever you place Auburn you ought to be placing Tennessee close or a little below. |
Indiana led Auburn 63-52 with 4:44 left in the game and didn't score again until there was 17 seconds left. They were outscored 19-4 in the last 4:44. It was a choke on a scale infrequently seen.
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Shades
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Posted: 11/28/16 3:26 pm ::: |
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Art's always bashing Lobo for her presumed UConn bias, and yet she voted for ND as #1. With ND holding a razor thin lead of 6 pts, voting the way he thought she would could have made the difference.
The voter I respect the most just looking at the Top 3's is Jim Fuller of the New Haven (Conn) Register. He voted SC#1, ND#2, CT#3. Had he voted towards presumed bias, where would that have left ND? In my mind, SC is #1 but only two voters other than Fuller went with SC as #1.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 11/28/16 3:37 pm ::: |
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Shades wrote: |
Art's always bashing Lobo for her presumed UConn bias, and yet she voted for ND as #1. With ND holding a razor thin lead of 6 pts, voting the way he thought she would could have made the difference.
The voter I respect the most just looking at the Top 3's is Jim Fuller of the New Haven (Conn) Register. He voted SC#1, ND#2, CT#3. Had he voted towards presumed bias, where would that have left ND? In my mind, SC is #1 but only one voter other than Fuller went with SC as #1. |
Meanwhile two people who make their living shilling for UConn and talk to the program daily - Fuller and Adamec- provide two of SCar's three 1st place votes and put UConn third. Quite a coincidence. Maybe that's how Geno wants it.
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linkster
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Posted: 11/28/16 3:58 pm ::: |
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I can't understand why SC has only three 1st place votes. They have dominated 2 top 10 teams and win the eyeball test. They should be right in the mix with UConn and ND, not outside looking in.
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myrtle
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Posted: 11/28/16 4:29 pm ::: |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
Phil wrote: |
I don't disagree that Auburn is the recipient of some lazy voting. The theoretical advantage of human voting over machine voting is that you can use the eye test, and maybe pick up some things that aren't fully reflected in the won loss record, the margin of victory, and the strength of the opponents. But Auburn has played almost nobody. Both Massey ranking them at 34th and Sagarin, ranking them at 45th reflect the fact that their nice-looking won loss record comes at the expense of a pile of cupcakes many of which they didn't blow off the floor. Marist is ranked 252nd by Massey. They are one and six. Auburn beat them by a whopping one point. I haven't seen them play, so I can apply my own eye test, but based on the numbers they don't deserve to be on the top 25. Maybe not as far down as 45 but somewhere in the 30s. That said, the record stacks up favorably to Tennessee so wherever you place Auburn you ought to be placing Tennessee close or a little below. |
Indiana led Auburn 63-52 with 4:44 left in the game and didn't score again until there was 17 seconds left. They were outscored 19-4 in the last 4:44. It was a choke on a scale infrequently seen. |
Cahill fouled out. She is the stabilizing force while Buss is the energizer. They need both on the floor to be a decent 'team'
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cthskzfn
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Posted: 11/28/16 5:35 pm ::: |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
Shades wrote: |
Art's always bashing Lobo for her presumed UConn bias, and yet she voted for ND as #1. With ND holding a razor thin lead of 6 pts, voting the way he thought she would could have made the difference.
The voter I respect the most just looking at the Top 3's is Jim Fuller of the New Haven (Conn) Register. He voted SC#1, ND#2, CT#3. Had he voted towards presumed bias, where would that have left ND? In my mind, SC is #1 but only one voter other than Fuller went with SC as #1. |
Meanwhile two people who make their living shilling for UConn and talk to the program daily - Fuller and Adamec- provide two of SCar's three 1st place votes and put UConn third. Quite a coincidence. Maybe that's how Geno wants it. |
Do I have this right- the Geno lapdogs, from Lobo to the writers, the blind UConn shills, show integrity by listing SC, ND, CT, and yet EVEN THAT is a sign they're on Geno's payroll?
Aye yie yie.
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cthskzfn
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Posted: 11/28/16 5:40 pm ::: |
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This is my guess, and I haven't seen the Terps yet:
1- SC
3-ND/CT
5-Bay/Mary
I think there's decent separation between the GCs and the next tier, and not much between the next two.
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Nixtreefan
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Posted: 11/28/16 6:20 pm ::: |
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Y'all have some low standards LOL
That Cards team was a bunch of pretenders, no inside presence, Hines couldn't get away with her grab and shove and really doesn't have the moves to get by any length. Their guards are all 1 on 1 and even how badly they played, both Davis and Gray got themselves in trouble as they have no discipline.The only production they got from their bench was Harrigan and thats because the Cards don't box out at all.
SCs problem is their starters don't play D and their bench does but can't score.
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blackrain
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Posted: 11/28/16 8:12 pm ::: |
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Based on what i've seen so far, South Carolina is number one IMO. Alaina Coates is a beast in the paint. Lots of firepower on South Carolina's team. Davis and Gray provide that outside scoring that South Carolina needs.
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Shades
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