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 Posted: 10/24/16 11:42 am ::: American Conference pre-season honors |
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Preseason Coaches’ Poll
(First-place votes in parenthesis)
Team Points
1. UConn (10)* 100
2. Temple 87
3. USF (1) 86
4. Tulane 73
5. SMU 50
6. East Carolina 49
7. Memphis 47
8. UCF 41
9. Tulsa 33
10. Cincinnati 23
11. Houston 16
[*] denotes unanimous selection
Preseason Player of the Year
Kia Nurse, Jr., G, UConn
Preseason All-Conference First Team
Katie Lou Samuelson, So., G/F, UConn
Kia Nurse, Jr., G, UConn
Kitija Laska, So., F, USF
Alliya Butts, Jr., G, Temple*
Feyonda Fitzgerald, Sr., G, Temple
Kolby Morgan, Jr., G, Tulane
Preseason All-Conference Second Team
Zykira Lewis, Sr., G, UCF
Napheesa Collier, So., F, UConn
Gabby Williams, Jr., G, UConn
Alicia Froling, Jr., F, SMU
Leslie Vorpahl, Sr., G, Tulane
[*] denotes unanimous selection
Yes that is as many first team selections for Temple as UConn, and the only unanimous choice is from Temple.
Well, the times, they are a-changing.....just not very quickly.
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| Posted: 10/24/16 12:18 pm ::: Re: American Conference pre-season honors |
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| dtsnms wrote: |
Big 12 eat your heart out! Check out this group!
Preseason Coaches’ Poll
(First-place votes in parenthesis)
Team Points
1. UConn (10)* 100
2. Temple 87
3. USF (1) 86
4. Tulane 73
5. SMU 50
6. East Carolina 49
7. Memphis 47
8. UCF 41
9. Tulsa 33
10. Cincinnati 23
11. Houston 16
[*] denotes unanimous selection
Preseason Player of the Year
Kia Nurse, Jr., G, UConn
Preseason All-Conference First Team
Katie Lou Samuelson, So., G/F, UConn
Kia Nurse, Jr., G, UConn
Kitija Laska, So., F, USF
Alliya Butts, Jr., G, Temple*
Feyonda Fitzgerald, Sr., G, Temple
Kolby Morgan, Jr., G, Tulane
Preseason All-Conference Second Team
Zykira Lewis, Sr., G, UCF
Napheesa Collier, So., F, UConn
Gabby Williams, Jr., G, UConn
Alicia Froling, Jr., F, SMU
Leslie Vorpahl, Sr., G, Tulane
[*] denotes unanimous selection
Yes that is as many first team selections for Temple as UConn, and the only unanimous choice is from Temple.
Well, the times, they are a-changing.....just not very quickly. |
I think Temple has a pretty good chance of being a good team. They have really good guards. Not top 20, but definitely an 8/9 seed in the NCAA tournament.
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ArtBest23
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| Posted: 10/24/16 1:08 pm ::: Re: American Conference pre-season honors |
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I think Temple has a pretty good chance of being a good team. They have really good guards. Not top 20, but definitely an 8/9 seed in the NCAA tournament. |
Come on.
Temple would be a nice mid major AAC team IF UConn wasn't in the AAC. But they were a 23-12, RPI 55, NIT team last year, and they're basically the same team this year. And I expect them to be NiT bound again ( unless the committee decides that UConn's conference has to get a second bid come hell or high water).
Tell me who on the entire UConn roster Butts is better than or would play in front of? I think the answer is " no one". This is just the "we can't name the UConn starters the first team and the bench the second team; we need to spread it around" attitude.
USF had some players deserving of conference honors for a couple of years. I don't see any this year.
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dtsnms
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| Posted: 10/24/16 1:26 pm ::: Re: American Conference pre-season honors |
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I think Temple has a pretty good chance of being a good team. They have really good guards. Not top 20, but definitely an 8/9 seed in the NCAA tournament. |
Come on.
Temple would be a nice mid major AAC team IF UConn wasn't in the AAC. But they were a 23-12, RPI 55, NIT team last year, and they're basically the same team this year. And I expect them to be NiT bound again ( unless the committee decides that UConn's conference has to get a second bid come hell or high water).
Tell me who on the entire UConn roster Butts is better than or would play in front of? I think the answer is " no one". This is just the "we can't name the UConn starters the first team and the bench the second team; we need to spread it around" attitude.
USF had some players deserving of conference honors for a couple of years. I don't see any this year. |
Well, that was a fairly snobby answer. He said not top 20. He said maybe an 8 or 9 seed. He never claimed they were a final four candidate or anything.
You don't have to poop on the conference at every turn. They are doing the best they can. It is what it is.
I see three schools making an effort to get better: Temple, USF and Tulane. It won't happen overnight.
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| Posted: 10/24/16 1:58 pm ::: Re: American Conference pre-season honors |
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I think Temple has a pretty good chance of being a good team. They have really good guards. Not top 20, but definitely an 8/9 seed in the NCAA tournament. |
Come on.
Temple would be a nice mid major AAC team IF UConn wasn't in the AAC. But they were a 23-12, RPI 55, NIT team last year, and they're basically the same team this year. And I expect them to be NiT bound again ( unless the committee decides that UConn's conference has to get a second bid come hell or high water).
Tell me who on the entire UConn roster Butts is better than or would play in front of? I think the answer is " no one". This is just the "we can't name the UConn starters the first team and the bench the second team; we need to spread it around" attitude.
USF had some players deserving of conference honors for a couple of years. I don't see any this year. |
Well, that was a fairly snobby answer. He said not top 20. He said maybe an 8 or 9 seed. He never claimed they were a final four candidate or anything.
You don't have to poop on the conference at every turn. They are doing the best they can. It is what it is.
I see three schools making an effort to get better: Temple, USF and Tulane. It won't happen overnight. |
It wasn't "snobby" at all. It was a response to what I viewed as blowing smoke.
He said DEFINITELY 8 or 9 seed. That's top 36 at worst. That looks Iike a fantasy to me.
And how are these three "making an effort to get better"? USF - the conference's showpiece second place team the past couple years - has plainly gotten worse.
You don't have to pump up the conference at every turn. Just be honest about it. What did I write that wasn't correct?
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| Posted: 10/24/16 2:06 pm ::: |
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| I think that Gabby William is being underestimated as she can be the POY for the AAC. Prior to her injury in 2014, ASGR had her ranked the #2 recruit, Blue Star had her at 7. Prospect Nation after the injury dropped her understandably to 15th. She has shown significant improvement each year since and I expect her to improve on her trajectory, shown she has overcome her ACL injury. She is the best athlete on the team by far and stepping out from behind the big three from a year ago might prove to be the best basketball player on the court for UCONN this year. She, I believe, will be the most improved.
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| I think that Gabby William is being underestimated as she can be the POY for the AAC. Prior to her injury in 2014, ASGR had her ranked the #2 recruit, Blue Star had her at 7. Prospect Nation after the injury dropped her understandably to 15th. She has shown significant improvement each year since and I expect her to improve on her trajectory, shown she has overcome her ACL injury. She is the best athlete on the team by far and stepping out from behind the big three from a year ago might prove to be the best basketball player on the court for UCONN this year. She, I believe, will be the most improved. |
I do find interesting the theory that seems popular in some quarters that Williams, after two years of making exactly zero three point shots, is suddenly this year about to be transformed into the next coming of Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis from behind the arc.
If that's true that will be a very big deal for UConn's prospects.
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| Posted: 10/24/16 5:36 pm ::: Re: American Conference pre-season honors |
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(First-place votes in parenthesis)
Team Points
1. UConn (10)* 100
2. Temple 87
3. USF (1) 86
[*] denotes unanimous selection
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Just noticed: How can UConn get an asterisk if USF got a parenthesis? |
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| Posted: 10/24/16 6:24 pm ::: Re: American Conference pre-season honors |
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| dtsnms wrote: |
(First-place votes in parenthesis)
Team Points
1. UConn (10)* 100
2. Temple 87
3. USF (1) 86
[*] denotes unanimous selection
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Just noticed: How can UConn get an asterisk if USF got a parenthesis? |
Geno can't vote for himself.
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| Posted: 10/24/16 6:25 pm ::: |
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| Oldfandepot2 wrote: |
| I think that Gabby William is being underestimated as she can be the POY for the AAC. Prior to her injury in 2014, ASGR had her ranked the #2 recruit, Blue Star had her at 7. Prospect Nation after the injury dropped her understandably to 15th. She has shown significant improvement each year since and I expect her to improve on her trajectory, shown she has overcome her ACL injury. She is the best athlete on the team by far and stepping out from behind the big three from a year ago might prove to be the best basketball player on the court for UCONN this year. She, I believe, will be the most improved. |
I do find interesting the theory that seems popular in some quarters that Williams, after two years of making exactly zero three point shots, is suddenly this year about to be transformed into the next coming of Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis from behind the arc.
If that's true that will be a very big deal for UConn's prospects. |
While I agree that it's crazy to project Williams as a premier 3 pt shooter I fail to see why you quoted the previous poster who made no such comment. For all the time I have been reading the boards this year I have yet to see even the most wildly UConn fans make the comparison you claim was made. I'd love a link to the Williams-KML comparison you say others are claiming. Once again Art you exceed yourself in using a straw dog to win an argument with no one.
I love watching Williams play at both ends of the court. She is blessed with much more than her share of quick-twitch muscles. While most people attribute her rebounding to her astounding leaping ability, it's her quickness to the ball that makes her so good. Her offensive rebounding is unconscious. She gets her hands on the ball, comes down and goes back up for a shot before many of her opponents have started to jump for the rebound. And that quickness pays off bigtime on defense, where her quick hands deflect passes no one else could get to.
BTW, At First Night she attempted two 3's and made them both, so anyone thinking that she can't even hit the rim is grossly mistaken.
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| Posted: 10/24/16 6:39 pm ::: |
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| I think that Gabby William is being underestimated as she can be the POY for the AAC. Prior to her injury in 2014, ASGR had her ranked the #2 recruit, Blue Star had her at 7. Prospect Nation after the injury dropped her understandably to 15th. She has shown significant improvement each year since and I expect her to improve on her trajectory, shown she has overcome her ACL injury. She is the best athlete on the team by far and stepping out from behind the big three from a year ago might prove to be the best basketball player on the court for UCONN this year. She, I believe, will be the most improved. |
I do find interesting the theory that seems popular in some quarters that Williams, after two years of making exactly zero three point shots, is suddenly this year about to be transformed into the next coming of Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis from behind the arc.
If that's true that will be a very big deal for UConn's prospects. |
While I agree that it's crazy to project Williams as a premier 3 pt shooter I fail to see why you quoted the previous poster who made no such comment. For all the time I have been reading the boards this year I have yet to see even the most wildly UConn fans make the comparison you claim was made. I'd love a link to the Williams-KML comparison you say others are claiming. Once again Art you exceed yourself in using a straw dog to win an argument with no one. . |
Seriously. What the F is your problem. You need to keep track of what board you're posting on. This is Rebkell, not that Tribble board you frequent. Obviously you lost track.
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| Posted: 10/24/16 8:43 pm ::: |
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BTW, At First Night she attempted two 3's and made them both, so anyone thinking that she can't even hit the rim is grossly mistaken. |
tell us a bit about First Night. Who played where and who stood out to you?
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| Posted: 10/24/16 8:48 pm ::: |
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| I'll fry an egg if Kia Nurse is the AAC POY. |
I wasn't thinking about frying an egg, but do admit it would be pretty surprising if she's the best player on her team. And if she's the best player on her team, UConn has really taken a header down into the pack of wolves who have barking at their feet.
Am really impressed with the UConn schedule. Geno has not gone light just because his team may be slightly less impressive than usual. I haven't seen SOS ratings, but this looks like by far the toughest preseason. Of course they need that because of the AAC, still....
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| Posted: 10/24/16 10:10 pm ::: |
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| I think that Gabby William is being underestimated as she can be the POY for the AAC. Prior to her injury in 2014, ASGR had her ranked the #2 recruit, Blue Star had her at 7. Prospect Nation after the injury dropped her understandably to 15th. She has shown significant improvement each year since and I expect her to improve on her trajectory, shown she has overcome her ACL injury. She is the best athlete on the team by far and stepping out from behind the big three from a year ago might prove to be the best basketball player on the court for UCONN this year. She, I believe, will be the most improved. |
I do find interesting the theory that seems popular in some quarters that Williams, after two years of making exactly zero three point shots, is suddenly this year about to be transformed into the next coming of Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis from behind the arc.
If that's true that will be a very big deal for UConn's prospects. |
While I agree that it's crazy to project Williams as a premier 3 pt shooter I fail to see why you quoted the previous poster who made no such comment. For all the time I have been reading the boards this year I have yet to see even the most wildly UConn fans make the comparison you claim was made. I'd love a link to the Williams-KML comparison you say others are claiming. Once again Art you exceed yourself in using a straw dog to win an argument with no one. . |
Seriously. What the F is your problem. You need to keep track of what board you're posting on. This is Rebkell, not that Tribble board you frequent. Obviously you lost track. |
No Art, it's you who loses track. Where did you read or hear anyone suggesting that Williams is in any way comparable to KML? You made the derisive comment. I am simply asking you to back it up or admit it was just you inventing facts in your mind in order to win an argument.
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| Since we're having a snide comment match, I'll ask something of substance. How do people think that the reigning Freshman of the Year will do this year? Kitija Laska of South Florida showed flashes of some good stuff last year--but the departure of Williams and Jenkins is probably hard. I really do think that there is a good core of Ferriera, Laska, and Jepersen here, it's just a matter of how those pieces fit together for them moving forward. Laksa can get hot at the right time, as SMU learned last season when Laska set the American record for most points by a Freshman with 38. She definitely cooled off at the end--but was hampered by an injury if I recall right.
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| Since we're having a snide comment match, I'll ask something of substance. How do people think that the reigning Freshman of the Year will do this year? Kitija Laska of South Florida showed flashes of some good stuff last year--but the departure of Williams and Jenkins is probably hard. I really do think that there is a good core of Ferriera, Laska, and Jepersen here, it's just a matter of how those pieces fit together for them moving forward. Laksa can get hot at the right time, as SMU learned last season when Laska set the American record for most points by a Freshman with 38. She definitely cooled off at the end--but was hampered by an injury if I recall right. |
There's no snide comment match. It's just one person acting out their usual nonsense.
Wasn't there going to be an ignore poster function as part of the board software upgrade?
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| Posted: 10/24/16 10:29 pm ::: |
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| Since we're having a snide comment match, I'll ask something of substance. How do people think that the reigning Freshman of the Year will do this year? Kitija Laska of South Florida showed flashes of some good stuff last year--but the departure of Williams and Jenkins is probably hard. I really do think that there is a good core of Ferriera, Laska, and Jepersen here, it's just a matter of how those pieces fit together for them moving forward. Laksa can get hot at the right time, as SMU learned last season when Laska set the American record for most points by a Freshman with 38. She definitely cooled off at the end--but was hampered by an injury if I recall right. |
There's no snide comment match. It's just one person acting out their usual nonsense.
Wasn't there going to be an ignore poster function as part of the board software upgrade? |
No, that was a feature on WBB Daily Boards that was advertised. I don't think that feature was ever promised here.
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BTW, At First Night she attempted two 3's and made them both, so anyone thinking that she can't even hit the rim is grossly mistaken. |
tell us a bit about First Night. Who played where and who stood out to you? |
No one and nothing stood out. No one got hurt.
There was a timed skills shooting contest with teams of a male and a female player and a student from the stands. With team vs team Gabby and Collier had to make the 3 for their teams. Both did on their first shots, with Williams' shot hitting net just before Collier's. Not anything close to a definitive test but watching it made me smile after all the comments about the two players having no outside game.
Dangerfield nailed a couple/few nice shots but it was a 5 minute scrimmage of women v women and no one was taking a charge if you get my meaning.
Other than that it was just observations. Butler looked very lean. Stevens played. Camara is recovering from surgery and was the only player to sit out. Dangerfield played like she belonged. No deer-in-the-headlights looks from that one.
UConn has more unanswered questions this year than any other recent season. I feel there are plenty of answers too. It's going to be fun watch the team evolve.
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| Since we're having a snide comment match, I'll ask something of substance. How do people think that the reigning Freshman of the Year will do this year? Kitija Laska of South Florida showed flashes of some good stuff last year--but the departure of Williams and Jenkins is probably hard. I really do think that there is a good core of Ferriera, Laska, and Jepersen here, it's just a matter of how those pieces fit together for them moving forward. Laksa can get hot at the right time, as SMU learned last season when Laska set the American record for most points by a Freshman with 38. She definitely cooled off at the end--but was hampered by an injury if I recall right. |
Laksa has a wonderful outside game. The rest of her game isn't at the same level. Fernandez has 14 players and 8 are from outside the US. Four years in sunny Tampa, all expenses paid plus a stipend is quite an enticement for someone from economically depressed Europe. Tough to judge the team with so many unknown players but Fernandez has always put up a good fight. Even back in the old BE USF played UConn tough, despite being out-talented. And with them playing UConn three times a year for a while now, they are on my short list of the teams that might beat UConn.
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| Posted: 10/25/16 8:50 am ::: Re: American Conference pre-season honors |
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I think Temple has a pretty good chance of being a good team. They have really good guards. Not top 20, but definitely an 8/9 seed in the NCAA tournament. |
Come on.
Temple would be a nice mid major AAC team IF UConn wasn't in the AAC. But they were a 23-12, RPI 55, NIT team last year, and they're basically the same team this year. And I expect them to be NiT bound again ( unless the committee decides that UConn's conference has to get a second bid come hell or high water).
Tell me who on the entire UConn roster Butts is better than or would play in front of? I think the answer is " no one". This is just the "we can't name the UConn starters the first team and the bench the second team; we need to spread it around" attitude.
USF had some players deserving of conference honors for a couple of years. I don't see any this year. |
Art, you win! I've been on these boards for 20 years....and you're almost impossible to even handle. I would love a UCONN fan to make one post without you having something shitty to say.
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| Just like the ND freshmen and the other freshmen you raved about she flamed out as other teams realized she could only do one thing and it had nothing to do with an injury. USF will struggle as they don't have Williams who took up the defense and left others open. Also shows that stats and conference coaches are just that only relevant in their own mind.
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