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stever
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summertime blues
Joined: 16 Apr 2013 Posts: 7842 Location: Shenandoah Valley
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Posted: 07/03/16 6:23 pm ::: |
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Well, they'll be back in the basement of the OVC unless they hire someone who can both coach and recruit. The one before Sheryl sure couldn't.
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It takes 3 years to build a team and 7 to build a program.--Conventional Wisdom
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LitePal
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Posted: 07/03/16 6:47 pm ::: |
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Since Swoopes lost 15 players in two years, including 10 of 12 last season, there was a chance there wouldn't even be a team next season. Unlike McCallie, at least they were able to get rid of Swoopes after an investigation.
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Genero36
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Posted: 07/03/16 7:38 pm ::: |
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It'll be interesting to see where Loyola goes from here.
As for Sheryl, she should go back to her original plan of being an assistant coach.
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Queenie
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 18030 Location: Queens
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Posted: 07/03/16 7:38 pm ::: |
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Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, you misprioritizing, bad-wig-wearing, player-abusing, self-righteous, overhyped, underqualified, program-destroying wreck of a disaster.
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 07/03/16 9:57 pm ::: |
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Queenie wrote: |
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, you misprioritizing, bad-wig-wearing, player-abusing, self-righteous, overhyped, underqualified, program-destroying wreck of a disaster. |
Don't hold back, Queenie. Just tell us how you really feel.
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Youth Coach
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Posted: 07/03/16 10:00 pm ::: |
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Queenie wrote: |
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, you misprioritizing, bad-wig-wearing, player-abusing, self-righteous, overhyped, underqualified, program-destroying wreck of a disaster. |
Okay, I'm confused. What do you think about the job Swoopes did at Loyola? |
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ster II
Joined: 03 Jul 2013 Posts: 234 Location: Gotham City
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Posted: 07/03/16 10:29 pm ::: |
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Let me say up front, I loved watching Sheryl Swoopes play bball. One of the very best!💜 I must say, I did not think this job was a good fit for her, but she didn't ask me. Maybe now she will going forward. Maybe an assistant coach for a while and then a head coach position.
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Queenie
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 18030 Location: Queens
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Posted: 07/04/16 9:44 am ::: |
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ster II wrote: |
Let me say up front, I loved watching Sheryl Swoopes play bball. One of the very best!💜 I must say, I did not think this job was a good fit for her, but she didn't ask me. Maybe now she will going forward. Maybe an assistant coach for a while and then a head coach position. |
Noooooooope. I don't want anyone who takes student-athletes' study tools away on road trips anywhere near a college athlete. I don't want anyone who eavesdrops on family conversations anywhere near a position of authority. Maybe she'd be better off in the pros- but then, we all know what she might think a WNBA assistant coach's responsibilities are.
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ClayK
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Posted: 07/04/16 9:45 am ::: |
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Queenie wrote: |
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, you misprioritizing, bad-wig-wearing, player-abusing, self-righteous, overhyped, underqualified, program-destroying wreck of a disaster. |
Couldn't have said it better myself ...
Great player, though.
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LitePal
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Posted: 07/04/16 9:58 am ::: |
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Why do some people assume that just because she was a great player that she has what it takes to be in coaching in any capacity? She was defiant with the investigation and always said the blame was on the players, not her. If the allegations by the players are true (and Swoopes' firing pretty clearly confirms it), this woman should not be in a position of influence.
Some extreme cases like McCallie, Wagner and now Swoopes would actually do well in something like Corrections.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 07/04/16 11:05 am ::: |
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LitePal wrote: |
Why do some people assume that just because she was a great player that she has what it takes to be in coaching in any capacity? |
I ask myself this question ( usually with a chuckle) every time I see fans of schools with a coaching vacancy saying "we should hire ( fill in the name of favorite former player)".
This misguided assumption that playing ability automatically translates to coaching ability is not limited to WBB, by the way.
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Genero36
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summertime blues
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Posted: 07/04/16 11:35 am ::: |
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Well, however she did it, she did manage to drag the Ramblers out of the basement of the OVC and into the middle of the conference standings. Whatever you think of her methods (and I don't like them either!) you have to give her that, at least.
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LitePal
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Posted: 07/04/16 12:13 pm ::: |
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Her overall record was 31-62 and she lost 15 players in two years. I'd say that more than offsets whatever she accomplished in one season.
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StevenHW
Joined: 25 Jul 2005 Posts: 10983 Location: Sacramento, California
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Posted: 07/04/16 12:44 pm ::: |
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I didn't know Swoopes had her own spokesperson! Is she her agent or attorney too?
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ster II
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Posted: 07/04/16 1:47 pm ::: |
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Noooooooope. I don't want anyone who takes student-athletes' study tools away on road trips anywhere near a college athlete. I don't want anyone who eavesdrops on family conversations anywhere near a position of authority. Maybe she'd be better off in the pros- but then, we all know what she might think a WNBA assistant coach's responsibilities are.
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Queenie, i'm curious where did you learn of these allegations against Swoopes? I never saw them. Of course if true, Coaching may not be a
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Queenie
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Posted: 07/04/16 2:57 pm ::: |
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Queenie wrote: |
Noooooooope. I don't want anyone who takes student-athletes' study tools away on road trips anywhere near a college athlete. I don't want anyone who eavesdrops on family conversations anywhere near a position of authority. Maybe she'd be better off in the pros- but then, we all know what she might think a WNBA assistant coach's responsibilities are. |
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Queenie, i'm curious where did you learn of these allegations against Swoopes? I never saw them. Of course if true, Coaching may not be a
proper profession. |
(fixed the quote nesting in my reply)
From the article linked above: In late May, sources confirmed another allegation of former players that the staff took away their laptops and schoolbooks at times on road trips to force them to focus on basketball.
I seem to remember there being an article where one of her former players went into detail about her behavior, but I can't find it. I seem to recall that it included either eavesdropping or staff being in the room when a player called her parents, though.
As for the jab at the WNBA assistant job... do I have to detail the Alisa Scott thing?
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ster II
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Posted: 07/04/16 4:02 pm ::: |
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Queenie, thanks for the direction to the article with the students allegations.
I made no jab about a WNBA job. What does swoopes' relationship with the assistant coach for the Comets have to do with this subject? They were both consenting adults.
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LitePal
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Posted: 07/04/16 4:41 pm ::: |
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I only know of Swoopes from her public persona, so I don't know her at all. But taking into account her often very public persona, one thing a departing player said seems amazingly insightful:
"In the beginning of the year (after watching the documentary), I actually felt bad for the things she went through. But at the end of the season, I was like, everything made sense. She seems to thrive off drama. Wherever she goes, the drama is."
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dtrain34
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Posted: 07/04/16 6:21 pm ::: |
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I think Sheryl may have fallen victim to believing her own legend.
The huge NCAA title game, being part of the Comets powerhouse, I think it put her in the same unrealistic world many celebrities inhabit.
I don't know her but have been around her a few times in the Northwest. She was the featured speaker before the annual Queens of the Hardwood high school all-star game one year and because the organizers didn't want to skip her appearance the game started almost an hour late because she was that late.
At one point she cried with apparent joy when she agreed to take over a long-standing girls AAU team as its coach, asking that the team be named for her as a part of the deal. A few weeks later, she moved back to Texas with no apologies to the team organizers.
Signs of the most horrible woman ever? No. But signs of a superstar celebrity likely not ready to deal with the daily minutae and potential big and small disappointments in coaching? Yes.
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stever
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Genero36
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LitePal
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Posted: 07/04/16 7:21 pm ::: |
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After re-reading several articles on the controversy, I wonder if Swoopes has ever been diagnosed as bi-polar? The wild mood swings from yelling on court to crying in the locker room, the lack of empathy, the paranoia. There are suggestions from some of the players that she has a drinking problem but I came away with the conclusion that she needs other types of medication.
This is the article that Queenie was referring to. It's a doozy. Besides listening in on phone calls, Swoopes apparently also arranged meetings with a "student services" department, which doesn't exist at Loyola in an attempt to get information out of the players. Again and again, it's alleged that Swoopes tried to pit player against player on her own team.
http://www.loyolaphoenix.com/2016/04/ncaa-aware-of-allegations-against-swoopes-since-2014/
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Howee
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Posted: 07/04/16 11:33 pm ::: |
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Crazy Bitch. Definitely looks like there's some bonafide pathology playing out there.
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