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tfan
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| Calling McCauley a fraud as a coach is a statement that Donald Trump would make. She's been to the Elite 8 four times with Duke and to the finals with Michigan State. |
Yes, he would indeed. And he'd be correct; even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again. Four EEs and one final? That's like saying Geno, with all HIS recruited talent, got to four EEs and one final....and nothing more. See the disconnect there? |
Fraud is a binary term, an extreme term, while it seems like you are talking about an analog situation - you think she has under-performed. I have never seen perceived under-performance in coaching considered fraud. In fact, coaches get fired for perceived under-performance [Agler, Brondello, Dunn, Williams, Thibault, Boucek, Reeve (college)] but aren't accused of fraud and even later get re-hired.
She has very good talent, but not Auriemma level talent. There has never been a year when she was considered to have had more talent than every other team, whereas that is a normal occurrence for Auriemma. It is normal for him to have at least one high school national player-of-the-year and three or more USA basketball high school national team members, and usually starters or stars on those teams. That trumps having McDonalds all-Americans (#1 pick versus lottery pick versus first round versus second round picks), which Auriemma also has. That is why he is able to easily beat other teams in the top 5 in the rankings.
If she is excessively abusive to players, as has been suggested, than that could be considered as making her "unfit" to coach and could maybe be worked into a "fraud" charge, but it wouldn't be fraud by the dictionary definition. Being abusive to players is an allowable and acceptable practice for coaches. I read an article that I believe was from the writer attending UConn practices, but it talked about Auriemma having made Bird and Taurasi cry from him yelling at them. Summit and Goestenkers grabbed jerseys in in full view in games and screamed into the faces of players. So then the debate would be about what is excessive and has she crossed the line. But I don't think we know what she does. It seems that she has more than her share of transfers. Could be from excessive abuse if the players transferring are in the rotation.
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SportzJunky
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| Posted: 06/04/16 10:51 am ::: |
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A few points...Azura DID NOT develop AT DUKE, she did EXACTLY what Liston did, DEVELOPED over the summer with team USA basketball. She made it no secret and gave ALL praise to Jeff Walz! She stated he would stay after practice and work on her foot work.
Duke in "practice" review how to run a zone (which they still dont get) and they do not do it real time (walk throughs). They also do conditioning but highschool level conditioning. Coach P does NOT increase their Basketball IQ while at Duke, infact she makes it worse. EW looked better her freshman year vs. her senior...why??? because she still had some of her AAU coaching to hold on too. The further she was away from AAU coaching (especially in games) the more she became undisciplined and take after Coach P (a mess).
KML unfortunately is NOT a WNBA player, she has NO position. too short, too fat, too slow...thats not a good recipe. Post players for NOW can get away with a little extra weight, guards cannot.
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| Posted: 06/04/16 11:13 am ::: |
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I've been both an admirer and critic of KML since her junior year in high school. My criticisms -- for which I was frequently attacked by UConn FOGfans -- were always threefold: too much of an arc-hanger; too puny at drawing FTA's (signifying a lack of paint aggression); and too overweight.
Nonetheless, up until the WNBA, KML had always performed at a near-elite level.
She was a multiple high school NPOY.
She was a gold medalist on four USAB teams, averaging in double figures for and over 40% 3pt shooting for her USAB career.
She will not be a "minor footnote in UConn history". She's the fourth (tied) career scorer at UConn, behind only Moore, Stewart and Charles. She was a first team AA as a sophomore. She is the NCAA career leader in 3pt shots made at 398. And she did this all while competing, intra-roster, for time and points against AA's Stewart, Hartley, Dolson, Jefferson and Tuck, plus Tiffany Hayes and Kiah Stokes.
At all these levels, KML was also a very good, but not great, rebounder and passer for her size. At UConn, her defensive weaknesses were successfully covered up by UConn's tenacious team defense.
The three areas in which I criticized KML in high school and college, if uncorrected, were always likely result in her falling from near-elite, and perhaps even from above-average, status in the pros. But her fall seems too far, too fast. If nothing else, her shot should remain, but it hasn't.
I don't see enough Storm games -- much less of KML in them -- to discern whether the coaching schemes use her properly. Any team with even average teamwork should be able to free her up for jump shots with simple off-ball screens, ball-reversal skip passes and inside-out passes.
Does Boucek do this? If not, there's a coaching problem. If Boucek does and KML is not making open shots, then there is some new physical or mental problem with KML.
She has the skills to make much more of an impact than she currently has, so I'm inclined to give her three years before passing final judgment.
Meanwhile, here is a view a more successful KML as she prowled around the Golden State, occasionally impressing a young Clay Kallam:
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| Posted: 06/04/16 11:36 am ::: |
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I don't see enough Storm games -- much less of KML in them -- to discern whether the coaching schemes use her properly. Any team with even average teamwork should be able to free her up for jump shots with simple off-ball screens, ball-reversal skip passes and inside-out passes.
Does Boucek do this? If not, there's a coaching problem. If Boucek does and KML is not making open shots, then there is some new physical or mental problem with KML.
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She has in fact been given open shots and missing them. I expect her to make more of those open shots in the future. But then if she is making them, opponents will key in on her more. Defensive close outs at the pro level are simply much better than what she is used to...so while she may think she is open, cha-ching someone is suddenly in her face blocking that open shot. And her ball handling at this level is simply not good enough.
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| Posted: 06/04/16 11:50 am ::: |
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Interestingly, once KML became a regular part of the rotation her rookie season, she scored frequently and shot a high percentage inside the arc. It was the poor three-point shooting that dragged down her overall efficiency.
I thought that would prove to be small sample size more than anything else and still do. Her release is quick, and she is very good at finding open spots on the floor.
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| Posted: 06/04/16 12:22 pm ::: |
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Interestingly, once KML became a regular part of the rotation her rookie season, she scored frequently and shot a high percentage inside the arc. It was the poor three-point shooting that dragged down her overall efficiency.
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Interesting.
If her 3pt shot isn't falling, KML can be a devastating mid-range shooter. It's harder to free up a shooter inside the arc, but quite doable.
For all her lack of speed, quickness and handle, KML always had a superior, intrinsic shooting touch on shots from all distances. It's hard to believe anyone on the Storm has better touch. Unlike earlier 3pt specialists such as Laurie Koehn or Alicia Ratay, KML also had effective and smooth basketball moves: step back, head and body fakes, cross-over, running floater shot, high percentage lay-up finish. These skills are surely still within her. She has to figure out how to use them more effectively. So does Boucek. |
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| Posted: 06/04/16 1:47 pm ::: |
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Calling McCauley a fraud as a coach is a statement that Donald Trump would make. She's been to the Elite 8 four times with Duke and to the finals with Michigan State. |
She also hasn't made it to a Final Four with clear Final Four talent at Duke. Look at how her players have developed after they leave her program: recent examples being Jasmine Thomas, Karima Christmas, Haley Peters, and Elizabeth Williams. You are defending a person and can't even spell her name correctly so... |
So anybody who has had some mediocre WNBA players pass through her program without making a final four is a horrible cold coach? Wow. That's a pretty long list.
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| Posted: 06/04/16 2:04 pm ::: |
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I thought that would prove to be small sample size more than anything else and still do. Her release is quick, and she is very good at finding open spots on the floor. |
Her release is NOT quick, and that's a large part of her problem.
Contrast her to someone like Kayla McBride. McBride can transition from the dribble to her shooting motion, and then release her shot, more quickly than most defenders can respond. She needs very little opening to get off a good shot. Lewis's release is not particularly quick, and her transition to her shooting motion is downright slow. Defenders have time to react and she ends up rushing her shot.
Plus, her dribbling is horrific. There are 6'5" players who handle the ball better than she does. Again last night she tried to dribble into two defenders and simply lost control of the ball. It's an all too common occurrence for her. And it really limits what a coach can do with her.
No WNBA team has the luxury of doing what Geno did at UConn and basically have her camp out in the corner until the defense collapses into the paint and leaves her all alone to receive a pass for a wide open shot.
And that's without addressing that she's too slow to guard a quick 3 and too short to guard a tall 3.
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| Posted: 06/04/16 4:22 pm ::: |
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I thought that would prove to be small sample size more than anything else and still do. Her release is quick, and she is very good at finding open spots on the floor. |
Her release is NOT quick, and that's a large part of her problem.
Contrast her to someone like Kayla McBride. McBride can transition from the dribble to her shooting motion, and then release her shot, more quickly than most defenders can respond. She needs very little opening to get off a good shot. Lewis's release is not particularly quick, and her transition to her shooting motion is downright slow. Defenders have time to react and she ends up rushing her shot.
Plus, her dribbling is horrific. There are 6'5" players who handle the ball better than she does. Again last night she tried to dribble into two defenders and simply lost control of the ball. It's an all too common occurrence for her. And it really limits what a coach can do with her.
No WNBA team has the luxury of doing what Geno did at UConn and basically have her camp out in the corner until the defense collapses into the paint and leaves her all alone to receive a pass for a wide open shot.
And that's without addressing that she's too slow to guard a quick 3 and too short to guard a tall 3. |
A couple of points I've gleaned from this thread:
1) Some people get WAY too much pleasure when a player from their fave college team does better in the WNBA than a UConn player.
2) Some people seem to enjoy contradicting something they know absolutely nothing about. The only college program to get more top 5 classes over the past 9 years than Duke is UConn and yet there are multiple programs getting to multiple Final Fours while Duke has gone to exactly zero. There have now been multiple former Duke players speaking out publicly against McCallie's coaching and multiple top players leaving and specifically identifying her lack of coaching ability as the reason for leaving. Why do some people get their jollies out of trying to contradict what is clear by record and by statements of former players? Is it that all of these things point to the same points that I and others have been making throughout the 9 years of McCallie's reign of terror? It's time to give up the ghost. Even longtime Duke fans who've been defending this coach want her gone yesterday. NOBODY who's familiar with her coaching is speaking out in her favor. There's only a few contrarians getting off on the fact that there is no "proof" of how bad she is. I point you to Azura' Stevens and Elizabeth Williams, who took her complaints to the Duke President. The only reason she's still at Duke is a completely incompetent AD. And note: not one player has invited her to the WNBA draft, where college coaches abound and successful players are often quick to credit their coach for their success.
3) Every Duke women's bball fan is drooling over what Elizabeth Williams is starting to do in the WNBA. We kept waiting to see that player. She herself kept waiting to be that player. She knows the reason she could not become that player at Duke was due to poor coaching. No player development. Piss poor schemes that didn't take advantage of player strengths. Attempt to increase mental toughness by barking insults like a marine drill sergeant.
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| Posted: 06/04/16 5:12 pm ::: |
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1) Some people get WAY too much pleasure when a player from their fave college team does better in the WNBA than a UConn player.
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And some people get WAY too much pleasure making snide dumb-ass mischaracterizations of other posters they know nothing about because they have nothing substantive worthwhile to add to the discussion.
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| Posted: 06/04/16 9:17 pm ::: |
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I wonder if KML is hitting the wall this season?
Going from UConn to the WNBA to the league with the longest season right back to the WNBA again with no rest must be tough.
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| Posted: 06/04/16 11:53 pm ::: |
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| Calling McCauley a fraud as a coach is a statement that Donald Trump would make. She's been to the Elite 8 four times with Duke and to the finals with Michigan State. |
Yes, he would indeed. And he'd be correct; even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again. Four EEs and one final? That's like saying Geno, with all HIS recruited talent, got to four EEs and one final....and nothing more. See the disconnect there? |
Fraud is a binary term, an extreme term, while it seems like you are talking about an analog situation - you think she has under-performed. I have never seen perceived under-performance in coaching considered fraud. In fact, coaches get fired for perceived under-performance [Agler, Brondello, Dunn, Williams, Thibault, Boucek, Reeve (college)] but aren't accused of fraud and even later get re-hired..... |
Hmm. I think you're overthinking the word play.
Yes, I'd understand that you might not have ever seen a failing coach termed a fraud. Here's your first: JPM. I go by simpler criteria:
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"Full Definition of fraud" (Merriam Webster Dictionary)
1 a : deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right
b : an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
2 a : a person who is not what he or she pretends to be : impostor; also : one who defrauds : cheat
b : one that is not what it seems or is represented to be |
*JPM, like ANY coach who gets her caliber of recruits, doesn't get them by promising they *might* get to the NCAA tournament EE, and come in 7th in the ACC. I have no doubt she promises them the moon, in terms of potential accomplishments.
*JPM must promise an opportunity to grow and become the best possible player they're capable of becoming.
*JPM must promise--or at least, IMPLY--that they'll find happiness and fulfillment within their team community.
I mean, how else would she get these consistently high quality recruits? And when these high quality recruits begin to bail on her, alongside with numerous assistant coaches.....the case for, Yes, FRAUD is apparent: She doesn't/can't deliver on what she's selling/promising.
She's sold them a bill of goods as to what Duke's program is and can accomplish, and they're discovering it's not as promised (unless, as stated earlier, she'd pledged 7th place finishes and EEs as their maximum dream)
Charged with fraud? Highly doubtful. But I believe it's a term that justifiably applies. And the high number of defections would augment that theory.
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| Posted: 06/05/16 6:59 am ::: |
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| As much fun as it can be to rip McCallie, can we keep that to the college forum until and unless some W team takes her on?
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| Posted: 06/05/16 9:12 pm ::: |
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| Today KML DNP.
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| Posted: 06/05/16 9:22 pm ::: |
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| Today KML DNP. |
So is that WTF, OMG, or IDK?
Let the plot thicken.
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| Posted: 06/05/16 9:29 pm ::: |
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| Today KML DNP. |
So is that WTF, OMG, or IDK?
Let the plot thicken. |
Well at least it's a change from her usual acronym: MIA
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| Posted: 06/05/16 11:27 pm ::: |
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| Today KML DNP. |
and the other bust from last years lottery played one whole minute.
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| Posted: 06/06/16 2:19 am ::: |
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| Today KML DNP. |
So is that WTF, OMG, or IDK?
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We have Monica Wright and Jenna O'Hea off the bench who are both a lot better then KML. So not really a surprise.
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