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stever
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Posted: 05/23/16 4:53 pm ::: |
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...so "announcement"=Swish Appeal said so? |
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stever
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ClayK
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Posted: 05/24/16 9:36 am ::: |
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This is very odd ...
Stephanie White will not be able to recruit much this summer, and though her WNBA background will certainly help her with elite recruits (all of whom think they can play in the WNBA even the odds are seriously stacked against them), it's going to be tough for her to make connections given that she's been out of this loop for a long time.
And Carolyn Peck is even more disconnected, so Vandy's recruiting this summer will definitely suffer.
Not a great way to start in a business where recruiting is job one ... and job two, three and four.
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FrozenLVFan
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Posted: 05/24/16 11:14 am ::: |
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OTOH, they both have high profiles and Vandy already has a strong recruiting class coming in this year, so they may not have too much of a disadvantage.
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kool-aide
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Posted: 05/24/16 11:15 am ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
This is very odd ...
Stephanie White will not be able to recruit much this summer, and though her WNBA background will certainly help her with elite recruits (all of whom think they can play in the WNBA even the odds are seriously stacked against them), it's going to be tough for her to make connections given that she's been out of this loop for a long time.
And Carolyn Peck is even more disconnected, so Vandy's recruiting this summer will definitely suffer.
Not a great way to start in a business where recruiting is job one ... and job two, three and four. |
Who will be hired as the other assistants will might immediately off set the lack of (current) recruiting experience.
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pilight
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Posted: 05/24/16 11:32 am ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
This is very odd ...
Stephanie White will not be able to recruit much this summer, and though her WNBA background will certainly help her with elite recruits (all of whom think they can play in the WNBA even the odds are seriously stacked against them), it's going to be tough for her to make connections given that she's been out of this loop for a long time.
And Carolyn Peck is even more disconnected, so Vandy's recruiting this summer will definitely suffer.
Not a great way to start in a business where recruiting is job one ... and job two, three and four. |
Dawn Staley played in the WNBA all summer for her first six seasons at Temple and had no coaching experience whatever when she took the job. She did OK.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 05/24/16 2:35 pm ::: |
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Name recognition will likely more than offset both timing and lack of college recruiting experience.
When White or Peck calls or visits, there won't be introductions required and there is typically a "celebrity" advantage. There is a credibility (regardless of whether it's deserved) bestowed by celebrity status, and White is a WNBA head coach who is well known from her announcing duties, and Peck is one of few National Championship winning head coaches and one of ESPN's lead analysts. Both are likely to get recruits' (and recruits' coaches') attention.
Regardless of what people here might think of Peck or her coaching acumen, I expect she will be highly credible as a recruiter.
I see this as a big time duo from a recruiting standpoint - a lot bigger impact than Banghart or Ivey would have had. And a lot more impressive than their in-state competition Holly Warlick. Whether the superior resumes of the Vanderbilt coaches over the Tenn coaches will be enough to outweigh the history and reputation advantage that the Tennessee program has over the Vanderbilt program is a different and far more dubious proposition. But the instate rivalry could get a lot more interesting than it has been in the recent past.
White alone was a pretty big splash hire for Vanderbilt. Adding Peck into the mix makes it even more so. Color me both impressed and surprised by what Vandy has pulled off.
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PRballer
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Posted: 05/24/16 2:45 pm ::: |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
Name recognition will likely more than offset both timing and lack of college recruiting experience.
When White or Peck calls or visits, there won't be introductions required and there is typically a "celebrity" advantage. There is a credibility (regardless of whether it's deserved) bestowed by celebrity status, and White is a WNBA head coach who is well known from her announcing duties, and Peck is one of few National Championship winning head coaches and one of ESPN's lead analysts. Both are likely to get recruits' (and recruits' coaches') attention.
Regardless of what people here might think of Peck or her coaching acumen, I expect she will be highly credible as a recruiter.
I see this as a big time duo from a recruiting standpoint - a lot bigger impact than Banghart or Ivey would have had. And a lot more impressive than their in-state competition Holly Warlick. Whether the superior resumes of the Vanderbilt coaches over the Tenn coaches will be enough to outweigh the history and reputation advantage that the Tennessee program has over the Vanderbilt program is a different and far more dubious proposition. But the instate rivalry could get a lot more interesting than it has been in the recent past.
White alone was a pretty big splash hire for Vanderbilt. Adding Peck into the mix makes it even more so. Color me both impressed and surprised by what Vandy has pulled off. |
Lack of college recruiting experience? Both have coached and recruited in college for many years.
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PRballer
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 05/24/16 3:15 pm ::: |
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PRballer wrote: |
ArtBest23 wrote: |
Name recognition will likely more than offset both timing and lack of college recruiting experience.
When White or Peck calls or visits, there won't be introductions required and there is typically a "celebrity" advantage. There is a credibility (regardless of whether it's deserved) bestowed by celebrity status, and White is a WNBA head coach who is well known from her announcing duties, and Peck is one of few National Championship winning head coaches and one of ESPN's lead analysts. Both are likely to get recruits' (and recruits' coaches') attention.
Regardless of what people here might think of Peck or her coaching acumen, I expect she will be highly credible as a recruiter.
I see this as a big time duo from a recruiting standpoint - a lot bigger impact than Banghart or Ivey would have had. And a lot more impressive than their in-state competition Holly Warlick. Whether the superior resumes of the Vanderbilt coaches over the Tenn coaches will be enough to outweigh the history and reputation advantage that the Tennessee program has over the Vanderbilt program is a different and far more dubious proposition. But the instate rivalry could get a lot more interesting than it has been in the recent past.
White alone was a pretty big splash hire for Vanderbilt. Adding Peck into the mix makes it even more so. Color me both impressed and surprised by what Vandy has pulled off. |
Lack of college recruiting experience? Both have coached and recruited in college for many years. |
But neither has in nine years and that's a LONG time ago. Just about meaningless. It's not about having done it, as much as it is about familiarity with and ties to coaches. Plus recruiting of girls basketball has changed dramatically in the past nine years. Moreover White has a total of one year of major college assistant coaching, and even that is only if you consider KSt recruiting experience relevant to Vanderbilt, which is doubtful. I say both lack relevant recruiting experience and ties. They're starting from ground zero in getting to know players, parents, HS coaches, AAU coaches and "handlers". It's not like hiring someone who has been continuously on the recruiting circuit for the past decade.
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ArtBest23
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ClayK
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Posted: 05/24/16 3:49 pm ::: |
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So I'm not sure that the 14- and 15-year-olds that are the targets of this year's recruiting wars have much idea about who Stephanie White and Carolyn Peck are ...
Granted, they have a high profile on TV and in the WNBA, but I'm not convinced a lot of kids in California (or Iowa or Miami or Houston) -- who don't watch women's basketball on TV -- have any idea who they are. Nor do their coaches.
They're not starting from ground zero, but this summer will be pretty much lost. (The Dawn Staley comparisons apply to some degree, but her lead assistant was recruiting full-time ...)
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lynxmania
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 05/24/16 4:20 pm ::: |
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Thanks. I read another list of members on another website that I recall including both Peck and Jay Cutler. Must not have been the actual list.
That list makes more sense than the one I saw.
That actual list also might explain the evident "no men need apply" approach to this hire, especially if, as has been widely rumored, Mike Neighbors sought the job and was ignored or rebuffed without an interview.
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Posted: 05/24/16 5:56 pm ::: |
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Just FYI, Carolyn Peck is FROM Tennessee....Jefferson City, right next door to Knoxville....and is a Vandy alum, class of 1985. She was Tennessee Miss Basketball 1980, also. So despite the fact that her coaching days were at Florida and Purdue, her Tennessee roots and Vandy connections are deep. Don't count those out.
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Ex-Ref
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Posted: 05/24/16 8:44 pm ::: |
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I'm thinking that CP will be able to help with the adjustment to the court set up as well as her TN connections.
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Carol Anne
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adamspt2
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Posted: 05/25/16 9:50 am ::: |
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I know who Stephanie White is but haven't paid a whole lot of attention to her. I am floored (and quite happily so) to read that she is married and she and her wife have three children. This has to be the first hire of an openly gay/lesbian coach who has a family. I'm pleased that this did not deter Vandy from pursuing her.
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PUmatty
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Posted: 05/25/16 12:02 pm ::: |
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Unsurprisingly, what is left of the Purdue fan community (myself included) is having a collective meltdown over this.
Our biggest legend coaching elsewhere while our coach continues destroying the program.
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Shades
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Posted: 05/25/16 1:29 pm ::: |
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PUmatty wrote: |
Unsurprisingly, what is left of the Purdue fan community (myself included) is having a collective meltdown over this.
Our biggest legend coaching elsewhere while our coach continues destroying the program. |
I thought the Purdue community were happy with the results this year. Not better than expected? It was for me.
Dunn is just assistant coaching, probably not too much of a load for a retiree, and I doubt Purdue would pay White what Vandy is willing. And doesn't the Purdue coach have a contract?
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Shades
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