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| . These ridiculous "agreements" between the pros and the NCAA are bullshit. |
What "agreements"?
I don't think the owners and players associations asked for or received any input from the NCAA before imposing their own draft eligibility requirements. I don't think the NCAA has anything at all to do with it.
It would likely make the whole thing an antitrust violation if the NCAA was involved at all in such restrictions.
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| Posted: 04/09/16 3:47 pm ::: |
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| summertime blues wrote: |
| . These ridiculous "agreements" between the pros and the NCAA are bullshit. |
What "agreements"?
I don't think the owners and players associations asked for or received any input from the NCAA before imposing their own draft eligibility requirements. I don't think the NCAA has anything at all to do with it.
It would likely make the whole thing an antitrust violation if the NCAA was involved at all in such restrictions. |
Well whatever the hell the "deal" is that says that the men have to play at least a year (or is it now two? I've lost track, since I don't follow MBB at all) and the women can't opt for the draft until after the sophomore year. It's bullshit and turns the colleges into recruiting farms for the pros, especially in the case of the men. Let the pros develop their own minor leagues at their own expense, and let the college players be TRUE scholar-athletes, and stop the silliness.
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| Posted: 04/09/16 3:55 pm ::: |
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| ArtBest23 wrote: |
| summertime blues wrote: |
| . These ridiculous "agreements" between the pros and the NCAA are bullshit. |
What "agreements"?
I don't think the owners and players associations asked for or received any input from the NCAA before imposing their own draft eligibility requirements. I don't think the NCAA has anything at all to do with it.
It would likely make the whole thing an antitrust violation if the NCAA was involved at all in such restrictions. |
Well whatever the hell the "deal" is that says that the men have to play at least a year (or is it now two? I've lost track, since I don't follow MBB at all) and the women can't opt for the draft until after the sophomore year. It's bullshit and turns the colleges into recruiting farms for the pros, especially in the case of the men. Let the pros develop their own minor leagues at their own expense, and let the college players be TRUE scholar-athletes, and stop the silliness. |
It's a rule made by the league, owners and players union.
And as far the women's are concerned, they can on declare early if they turn 22 the year of the draft, their high school graduating class will be completing their 4th year of college or they will graduate with their degree within 3 months of the draft.
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| Posted: 04/09/16 4:20 pm ::: |
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| summertime blues wrote: |
| ArtBest23 wrote: |
| summertime blues wrote: |
| . These ridiculous "agreements" between the pros and the NCAA are bullshit. |
What "agreements"?
I don't think the owners and players associations asked for or received any input from the NCAA before imposing their own draft eligibility requirements. I don't think the NCAA has anything at all to do with it.
It would likely make the whole thing an antitrust violation if the NCAA was involved at all in such restrictions. |
Well whatever the hell the "deal" is that says that the men have to play at least a year (or is it now two? I've lost track, since I don't follow MBB at all) and the women can't opt for the draft until after the sophomore year. It's bullshit and turns the colleges into recruiting farms for the pros, especially in the case of the men. Let the pros develop their own minor leagues at their own expense, and let the college players be TRUE scholar-athletes, and stop the silliness. |
It's a rule made by the league, owners and players union.
And as far the women's are concerned, they can on declare early if they turn 22 the year of the draft, their high school graduating class will be completing their 4th year of college or they will graduate with their degree within 3 months of the draft. |
The NBA should adopt a similar rule vis a vis colleges and run their own damn minor league at their own expense; as far as I'm concerned the way it's done now makes a joke out of MCBB. That is what I was talking about. Since I follow neither MCBB (mostly because of that, and other than passing glances at Wisconsin and Tennessee from time to time) nor the NBA, I had no idea of how that worked. I only knew that the "phenoms" were mostly one-and-done, except at a few places. Wisconsin, to their credit, mostly has multi-year players. It's a hard school to get into and the guys who play there mostly do stay and get their degrees because they're smart enough to.
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| Posted: 04/09/16 4:27 pm ::: |
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| summertime blues wrote: |
| GEF34 wrote: |
| summertime blues wrote: |
| ArtBest23 wrote: |
| summertime blues wrote: |
| . These ridiculous "agreements" between the pros and the NCAA are bullshit. |
What "agreements"?
I don't think the owners and players associations asked for or received any input from the NCAA before imposing their own draft eligibility requirements. I don't think the NCAA has anything at all to do with it.
It would likely make the whole thing an antitrust violation if the NCAA was involved at all in such restrictions. |
Well whatever the hell the "deal" is that says that the men have to play at least a year (or is it now two? I've lost track, since I don't follow MBB at all) and the women can't opt for the draft until after the sophomore year. It's bullshit and turns the colleges into recruiting farms for the pros, especially in the case of the men. Let the pros develop their own minor leagues at their own expense, and let the college players be TRUE scholar-athletes, and stop the silliness. |
It's a rule made by the league, owners and players union.
And as far the women's are concerned, they can on declare early if they turn 22 the year of the draft, their high school graduating class will be completing their 4th year of college or they will graduate with their degree within 3 months of the draft. |
The NBA should adopt a similar rule vis a vis colleges and run their own damn minor league at their own expense; as far as I'm concerned the way it's done now makes a joke out of MCBB. That is what I was talking about. Since I follow neither MCBB (mostly because of that, and other than passing glances at Wisconsin and Tennessee from time to time) nor the NBA, I had no idea of how that worked. I only knew that the "phenoms" were mostly one-and-done, except at a few places. Wisconsin, to their credit, mostly has multi-year players. It's a hard school to get into and the guys who play there mostly do stay and get their degrees because they're smart enough to. |
I don't know the exact rules in terms of qualifications for players to join, but the NBA does have it's own minor league that they run. It's not as extensive as it is in baseball, but a minor league for the NBA does exist.
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| Posted: 04/09/16 4:30 pm ::: |
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| summertime blues wrote: |
| GEF34 wrote: |
| summertime blues wrote: |
| ArtBest23 wrote: |
| summertime blues wrote: |
| . These ridiculous "agreements" between the pros and the NCAA are bullshit. |
What "agreements"?
I don't think the owners and players associations asked for or received any input from the NCAA before imposing their own draft eligibility requirements. I don't think the NCAA has anything at all to do with it.
It would likely make the whole thing an antitrust violation if the NCAA was involved at all in such restrictions. |
Well whatever the hell the "deal" is that says that the men have to play at least a year (or is it now two? I've lost track, since I don't follow MBB at all) and the women can't opt for the draft until after the sophomore year. It's bullshit and turns the colleges into recruiting farms for the pros, especially in the case of the men. Let the pros develop their own minor leagues at their own expense, and let the college players be TRUE scholar-athletes, and stop the silliness. |
It's a rule made by the league, owners and players union.
And as far the women's are concerned, they can on declare early if they turn 22 the year of the draft, their high school graduating class will be completing their 4th year of college or they will graduate with their degree within 3 months of the draft. |
The NBA should adopt a similar rule vis a vis colleges and run their own damn minor league at their own expense; as far as I'm concerned the way it's done now makes a joke out of MCBB. That is what I was talking about. Since I follow neither MCBB (mostly because of that, and other than passing glances at Wisconsin and Tennessee from time to time) nor the NBA, I had no idea of how that worked. I only knew that the "phenoms" were mostly one-and-done, except at a few places. Wisconsin, to their credit, mostly has multi-year players. It's a hard school to get into and the guys who play there mostly do stay and get their degrees because they're smart enough to. |
I don't know the exact rules in terms of qualifications for players to join, but the NBA does have it's own minor league that they run. It's not as extensive as it is in baseball, but a minor league for the NBA does exist.[/quote
I know they *have* a D-League, but I want them to stop using the colleges and universities as part of it 
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| Posted: 04/09/16 4:34 pm ::: |
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| GEF34 wrote: |
| summertime blues wrote: |
| GEF34 wrote: |
| summertime blues wrote: |
| ArtBest23 wrote: |
| summertime blues wrote: |
| . These ridiculous "agreements" between the pros and the NCAA are bullshit. |
What "agreements"?
I don't think the owners and players associations asked for or received any input from the NCAA before imposing their own draft eligibility requirements. I don't think the NCAA has anything at all to do with it.
It would likely make the whole thing an antitrust violation if the NCAA was involved at all in such restrictions. |
Well whatever the hell the "deal" is that says that the men have to play at least a year (or is it now two? I've lost track, since I don't follow MBB at all) and the women can't opt for the draft until after the sophomore year. It's bullshit and turns the colleges into recruiting farms for the pros, especially in the case of the men. Let the pros develop their own minor leagues at their own expense, and let the college players be TRUE scholar-athletes, and stop the silliness. |
It's a rule made by the league, owners and players union.
And as far the women's are concerned, they can on declare early if they turn 22 the year of the draft, their high school graduating class will be completing their 4th year of college or they will graduate with their degree within 3 months of the draft. |
The NBA should adopt a similar rule vis a vis colleges and run their own damn minor league at their own expense; as far as I'm concerned the way it's done now makes a joke out of MCBB. That is what I was talking about. Since I follow neither MCBB (mostly because of that, and other than passing glances at Wisconsin and Tennessee from time to time) nor the NBA, I had no idea of how that worked. I only knew that the "phenoms" were mostly one-and-done, except at a few places. Wisconsin, to their credit, mostly has multi-year players. It's a hard school to get into and the guys who play there mostly do stay and get their degrees because they're smart enough to. |
I don't know the exact rules in terms of qualifications for players to join, but the NBA does have it's own minor league that they run. It's not as extensive as it is in baseball, but a minor league for the NBA does exist.[/quote
I know they *have* a D-League, but I want them to stop using the colleges and universities as part of it |
The only way that will happen is if the colleges discontinue athletics. Even if the NBA (or every pro league) required everyone to have a degree before they can enter the draft, colleges would still be doing what you say you dislike about it.
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| Posted: 04/09/16 4:45 pm ::: |
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The colleges have no say in the matter. And why would, say, the NFL spend the money on a farm system if they don't have to?
I get tired of the Bilas's of the world blaming the colleges for not paying players and wanting to abolish amateur college sports when the correct target is the pro leagues.
Congress should remove the collective bargaining antitrust exemption for age restrictions and then players who want to turn pro could turn pro. And leave the amateur college system alone.
It's interesting that in both baseball and hockey - sports where there IS a choice and players can either go play in farm systems for pay OR go to college - the number of stars choosing to go the unpaid college route has been going up for years.
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| Posted: 04/09/16 6:38 pm ::: |
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| Sophomore Kelly Loftus, the leading scorer for this years Hofstra team that advanced to The quarterfinals of the WNIT is transferring.
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Let the adults make adult decisions. If you're 18, you should be able to decide if you want to play in the WNBA or not. Or try to play in the WNBA.
Of course, you should be able to choose what school you want to work for (be compensated at), but only administrators and coaches are allowed to do that.
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| Posted: 04/09/16 10:03 pm ::: |
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| Norfolk State combo G Quiera Gilmore is transferring. She has 4 years remaining (redshirt?).
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| Posted: 04/09/16 10:09 pm ::: |
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| Sophomore Kelly Loftus, the leading scorer for this years Hofstra team that advanced to The quarterfinals of the WNIT is transferring. |
She's not a sophomore, she was actually a junior this season, so she'll only have 1 year remaining and I'm pretty sure she'll have to sit a year. She averaged 12.2 points per game.
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| Posted: 04/10/16 11:21 am ::: |
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Let the adults make adult decisions. If you're 18, you should be able to decide if you want to play in the WNBA or not. Or try to play in the WNBA.
Of course, you should be able to choose what school you want to work for (be compensated at), but only administrators and coaches are allowed to do that. |
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You probably ought to complain about the pros first. They're the ones with drafts. They're the ones who tell you you have to play in Buffalo or Cleveland or Detroit whether you want to or not. They're the ones who say you can't change teams for six years. They're the ones who can "tag" you so you can't ever play anywhere else.
Last time I looked nobody tells you what college you have to attend. You get to sign that LOI with anyone who offered you a scholarship.
But you should be able to choose whether you want to play professionally or as an amateur. Just as colleges should be free to choose to offer only scholarships, and to play only against other schools who offer only scholarships.
Players shouldn't have to play amateur when they want to turn pro, and schools shouldn't have to run professional sports teams when they only want to sponsor amateur sports. |
As mentioned before, if college students had a signed agreement with the NCAA about how the process worked, and that agreement was negotiated with both sides approving, then great. But the colleges make all the decisions, rake in hundreds of millions of dollars, and then claim the workers not only don't deserve any of the profits, but have to follow rules they had no say in.
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| Posted: 04/10/16 12:44 pm ::: |
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Let the adults make adult decisions. If you're 18, you should be able to decide if you want to play in the WNBA or not. Or try to play in the WNBA.
Of course, you should be able to choose what school you want to work for (be compensated at), but only administrators and coaches are allowed to do that. |
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You probably ought to complain about the pros first. They're the ones with drafts. They're the ones who tell you you have to play in Buffalo or Cleveland or Detroit whether you want to or not. They're the ones who say you can't change teams for six years. They're the ones who can "tag" you so you can't ever play anywhere else.
Last time I looked nobody tells you what college you have to attend. You get to sign that LOI with anyone who offered you a scholarship.
But you should be able to choose whether you want to play professionally or as an amateur. Just as colleges should be free to choose to offer only scholarships, and to play only against other schools who offer only scholarships.
Players shouldn't have to play amateur when they want to turn pro, and schools shouldn't have to run professional sports teams when they only want to sponsor amateur sports. |
As mentioned before, if college students had a signed agreement with the NCAA about how the process worked, and that agreement was negotiated with both sides approving, then great. But the colleges make all the decisions, rake in hundreds of millions of dollars, and then claim the workers not only don't deserve any of the profits, but have to follow rules they had no say in. |
Why in the world do the schools have to negotiate? They say "We give scholarships, we don't pay players, we only play against schools that follow the same rules we do. Don't like that? Don't come here. Nobody has a gun to your head."
Next you'll tell us they have to "negoiate" with students over the tuition charges, number of credits and grade point needed for graduation, and whether math and a foreign language are required. Same difference.
By the way, not one person subjected to a pro sport draft was part of any negotiation over that obligation to go to the one specific team that owns their draft rights.
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| Posted: 04/10/16 4:33 pm ::: Re: Taya Reimer Chooses Spartans |
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http://www.ndinsider.com/basketball/womens/former-notre-dame-f-taya-reimer-announces-transfer-to-michigan/article_3e0f7e60-ff4c-11e5-9e7d-f31e725c6162.html
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Immediately eligible with two years left. Hope her hearts into it.
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| Posted: 04/10/16 5:09 pm ::: Re: Taya Reimer Chooses Spartans |
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http://www.ndinsider.com/basketball/womens/former-notre-dame-f-taya-reimer-announces-transfer-to-michigan/article_3e0f7e60-ff4c-11e5-9e7d-f31e725c6162.html
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Immediately eligible with two years left. Hope her hearts into it. |
Anybody know how the ACC/Big10 challenge pairings are made?
Would they match up ND and MSU?
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| Posted: 04/10/16 7:20 pm ::: Re: Taya Reimer Chooses Spartans |
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http://www.ndinsider.com/basketball/womens/former-notre-dame-f-taya-reimer-announces-transfer-to-michigan/article_3e0f7e60-ff4c-11e5-9e7d-f31e725c6162.html
Merchant reloads. |
Immediately eligible with two years left. Hope her hearts into it. |
Anybody know how the ACC/Big10 challenge pairings are made?
Would they match up ND and MSU? |
Oooh, that might get a little chippy.
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| Posted: 04/10/16 9:16 pm ::: |
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| Tiara Davenport, 6' So Guard, transferring from LA Tech.
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