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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 09/29/15 12:55 pm ::: |
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Wainstein's research found that over the 18-year period, athletes made up 1,871 of the enrollments in the paper classes. Of the enrollments, the football team accounted for 51.4 percent (963), the men's basketball team 12.1 percent (226) and the women's basketball team 6.1 percent (114).
Davis has been fired. Hatchell has not received a new contract. But Roy Williams received a new contract, despite the involvement of men's basketball in years of academic improprieties. |
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And even with Hatchell having been there the entire time, her teams still had just under half (114) of paper class enrollments as compared to men's basketball (226). Of the 226, 167 were under Roy Williams |
July 10, 2015 in the Charlotte observer. Quote from then-recruit Sacha Killeya-Jones:
"Coach Williams said he is 100 percent positive theyre not going to crack down on the mens basketball team, he said."
August 9, 2015 in the News and Observer, discussing UNC chancellor Carol Folt:
"Nor does she concede, as has been widely reported, that football coach Larry Fedora, mens basketball coach Roy Williams, or anyone else at UNC reassured prospective student-athletes regarding the NCAAs intentions."
UNC recruit Brandon Robinson, yesterday:
"Coach ensured me that the basketball program would not be touched & it had nothing to do with them"
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 09/30/15 10:34 am ::: |
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SMU and Larry Brown (graduate of UNC, former assistant coach at UNC) just got hit for academic fraud, resulting in postseason ineligibility, loss of scholarships and a suspension for Brown for lack of control.
A former assistant men's basketball coach encouraged an athlete to enroll in an online course to meet NCAA initial eligibility standards and be admitted to the university. The NCAA also said a former men's basketball administrative assistant hired by Brown then completed the coursework; she then provided false information to NCAA investigators and also attempted to influence the player to also provide false information. Brown failed to report the violation for a month and initially lied when asked about it by the NCAA.
So if an instance of academic fraud gets multiple years of probation and nine cut scholarships, what does 18 years get?
As an aside, this marks the third time a Brown-coached program has been sanctioned by the NCAA, with the others being Kansas and UCLA.
As an interesting twist, Sean Stout, the Director of Recruiting at SMU, graduated from North Carolina in 2010 and was a student manager for Roy Williams from 2006-2010.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 09/30/15 11:29 am ::: |
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History indicates it's the lying to the NCAA, providing false information, and obstructing justice by trying to get others to lie, that draws the major penalties.
And, you might note, Larry Brown is not going to be fired and only received a nine game suspension, even after he admitted he lied to the NCAA. And the school misses ONE year of postseason play.
This is also SMU's TENTH major infractions case - the most of any school in the NCAA.
And they get to count the number they were already under the scholarship limit last year against the new scholarship reductions, so it's actually only 7.
What is more significant is that the NCAA also imposed sanctions on the SMU golf team for recruiting infractions and offering discounted equipment. They are banned from post season competition for one year. The reason it's far more significant is that SMU senior Bryson DeChambeau is not only the defending NCAA individual champion, but also won the US Amateur this summer. He chose not to turn pro, but instead to return to SMU. Now he will be unable to defend his NCAA title.
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Posted: 09/30/15 5:56 pm ::: |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
History indicates it's the lying to the NCAA, providing false information, and obstructing justice by trying to get others to lie, that draws the major penalties.
And, you might note, Larry Brown is not going to be fired and only received a nine game suspension, even after he admitted he lied to the NCAA. And the school misses ONE year of postseason play.
This is also SMU's TENTH major infractions case - the most of any school in the NCAA.
And they get to count the number they were already under the scholarship limit last year against the new scholarship reductions, so it's actually only 7.
What is more significant is that the NCAA also imposed sanctions on the SMU golf team for recruiting infractions and offering discounted equipment. They are banned from post season competition for one year. The reason it's far more significant is that SMU senior Bryson DeChambeau is not only the defending NCAA individual champion, but also won the US Amateur this summer. He chose not to turn pro, but instead to return to SMU. Now he will be unable to defend his NCAA title. |
Not only is it SMU's tenth (10th) major infraction, it's something like Larry Brown's third at a third school. Can't the NCAA just kick both of them out already?:
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It takes 3 years to build a team and 7 to build a program.--Conventional Wisdom
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 10/05/15 3:54 pm ::: |
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UNC representatives are scheduled to appear before the NCAA Committee on Infractions on Oct. 28 in Indianapolis.
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 10/05/15 4:00 pm ::: |
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Whistleblower Mary Willingham and Jay M. Smith:
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The fraud would morph into a multi-team and three thousand-student debacle before all was said and done, but mens basketball was always first in line for favors and fake classes. The needs of mens basketball always came first in the eyes of Debby Crowder. And the 2005 mens team, whose roster was stocked with players for whom both McSwain and Crowder felt great sympathy, benefited from unprecedented levels of favoritism. The team as a whole took well over one hundred paper classes; as one would expect, the starters on that team benefited disproportionately from the scam. |
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Star forward Rashad McCants has had the guts to admit this publicly and to show the evidence of the fraud in his own student transcript. His teammates, though quick to denounce him, have kept their transcripts hidden. It is unlikely that anyone else from that teamSean May, Raymond Felton, Jawad Williams, Marvin Williams, Reyshawn Terry, Jesse Holley, etc.will ever step forward with transcripts in hand to have a frank conversation about their classroom experiences. But the truth is in those transcripts. |
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Paper classes, Walden decided, should be used only for the athletes who desperately needed them such as the one guy who couldnt read very well. That particular player, whose needs forged a particularly close relationship between Walden and Willingham (a reading specialist), took between ten and twelve paper classes. That figurecompiled in the years after Roy Williams claims that he cleaned up the basketball programis significantly higher than the number of paper classes ever taken by ANY womens basketball player. The number of AFAM majors on the mens basketball team may have dropped off after 2005, but the need for paper classes remained (for both current and former players), and mens basketball stayed at the front of the line at least through 2008. |
http://paperclassinc.com/earth-to-art-chansky-it-wasnt-about-the-women/
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 10/05/15 4:20 pm ::: |
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CamrnCrz1974 wrote: |
Whistleblower Mary Willingham and Jay M. Smith:
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The fraud would morph into a multi-team and three thousand-student debacle before all was said and done, but mens basketball was always first in line for favors and fake classes. The needs of mens basketball always came first in the eyes of Debby Crowder. And the 2005 mens team, whose roster was stocked with players for whom both McSwain and Crowder felt great sympathy, benefited from unprecedented levels of favoritism. The team as a whole took well over one hundred paper classes; as one would expect, the starters on that team benefited disproportionately from the scam. |
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Star forward Rashad McCants has had the guts to admit this publicly and to show the evidence of the fraud in his own student transcript. His teammates, though quick to denounce him, have kept their transcripts hidden. It is unlikely that anyone else from that teamSean May, Raymond Felton, Jawad Williams, Marvin Williams, Reyshawn Terry, Jesse Holley, etc.will ever step forward with transcripts in hand to have a frank conversation about their classroom experiences. But the truth is in those transcripts. |
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Paper classes, Walden decided, should be used only for the athletes who desperately needed them such as the one guy who couldnt read very well. That particular player, whose needs forged a particularly close relationship between Walden and Willingham (a reading specialist), took between ten and twelve paper classes. That figurecompiled in the years after Roy Williams claims that he cleaned up the basketball programis significantly higher than the number of paper classes ever taken by ANY womens basketball player. The number of AFAM majors on the mens basketball team may have dropped off after 2005, but the need for paper classes remained (for both current and former players), and mens basketball stayed at the front of the line at least through 2008. |
http://paperclassinc.com/earth-to-art-chansky-it-wasnt-about-the-women/ |
You left out the part about how Mary Willingham plagerized her own Masters thesis at UNC Greensboro, and is trying to sell a book.
I have particularly enjoyed Willingham's response when confronted with her own obvious plagerism:
Whatever I did, I did, and, you know, whatever, she said. Theres nothing I can do about it.
Wow. There's a ringing defense.
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 10/14/15 10:09 am ::: |
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Preseason Coaches Poll
1. Baylor
2. Texas
3. Oklahoma
4. Iowa State
5. Texas Christian
6. West Virginia
7. Kansas State
8. Oklahoma State
9. Texas Tech
10. Kansas
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 10/15/15 11:02 am ::: |
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Hatchell said she doesnt let little problems bother her or allow larger issues to weigh her down, like the loss over the past two years of four star players from the UNC womens basketball program.
"I have a philosophyanytime someone wants to leave my program or Carolina, it's their loss, she said. I think we have proven that many times over and over again."
Hatchell said she doesnt worry that the ongoing NCAA investigation into the universitys academic counseling for athletes will cost her team.
Myself and none of the coaches have been mentioned and women's basketball hasn't been mentioned, Hatchell said. It's academic councilors (sic) with women's basketball. If there is no allegation how can there be penalties? |
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc-s-hatchell-looking-at-game-through-new-lens-after-bout-with-leukemia/14969302/#453KPbyZPdTh6yzP.99
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The AFRI/AFAM department created anomalous courses that went unchecked for 18 years. This allowed individuals within ASPSA to use these courses through special arrangements to maintain the eligibility of academically at-risk student-athletes, particularly in the sports of football, men's basketball and women's basketball. |
From the NOA. Not mentioned, eh?
She and Roy Williams seem to believe if their individual names were not mentioned, there are no allegations against them and there is no problem, notwithstanding the fact their programs are mentioned throughout the Wainstein Report and the NOA.
Basically, they absolve themselves of any responsibility for the programs they are being paid to coach if their individual names are not mentioned.
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Posted: 10/15/15 8:40 pm ::: |
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Hatchell said she doesnt let little problems bother her or allow larger issues to weigh her down, like the loss over the past two years of four star players from the UNC womens basketball program.
"I have a philosophyanytime someone wants to leave my program or Carolina, it's their loss, she said. I think we have proven that many times over and over again."
Hatchell said she doesnt worry that the ongoing NCAA investigation into the universitys academic counseling for athletes will cost her team.
Myself and none of the coaches have been mentioned and women's basketball hasn't been mentioned, Hatchell said. It's academic councilors (sic) with women's basketball. If there is no allegation how can there be penalties? |
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc-s-hatchell-looking-at-game-through-new-lens-after-bout-with-leukemia/14969302/#453KPbyZPdTh6yzP.99
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The AFRI/AFAM department created anomalous courses that went unchecked for 18 years. This allowed individuals within ASPSA to use these courses through special arrangements to maintain the eligibility of academically at-risk student-athletes, particularly in the sports of football, men's basketball and women's basketball. |
From the NOA. Not mentioned, eh?
She and Roy Williams seem to believe if their individual names were not mentioned, there are no allegations against them and there is no problem, notwithstanding the fact their programs are mentioned throughout the Wainstein Report and the NOA.
Basically, they absolve themselves of any responsibility for the programs they are being paid to coach if their individual names are not mentioned. |
I do not effing get it. Magical thinking at its best...or worst, whichever.
_________________ Don't take life so serious. It ain't nohows permanent.
It takes 3 years to build a team and 7 to build a program.--Conventional Wisdom
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 10/22/15 2:46 pm ::: |
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Interactive graphic: One year after the Wainstein report (The Daily Tar Heel)
Read more: http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2015/10/interactive-graphic-one-year-after-the-wainstein-report
Eunice Sahle
Current position: Chairperson of the African, African-American and Diaspora Studies department
What Wainstein said about her: Sahles knowledge of the classes was less than that of fellow professors Tim McMillan and Alphonse Mutima, but she still was aware of them. She allowed Crowder to sign up several students in her lectures to mask the true nature of the class.
"According to Crowder, Professor Sahle was aware that she was adding paper class students and 'agreed that a few students could get away with not showing up and doing a paper at the end [of the semester].'Crowders recollection is corroborated by an email in which she tells Wayne Waldenn that one of his players can take a Sahle lecture class without having to attend, the report said.
Sylvia Hatchell
Current position: Head Womens Basketball Coach
What Wainstein said about her: Hatchell told Wainsteins team that she knew many of her players took paper classes, but did not know the classes were offered without normal class requirements like attendance. She entrusted her teams academic counselor, Jan Boxill, with the handling of her players schedules and classes. Hatchell even believed Deborah Crowder was a faculty member, according to the report.
Roy Williams
Current position: Head Mens Basketball Coach
What Wainstein said about him: Williams brought his two top academic personnel with him from Kansas University: Wayne Walden and Joe Holladay. The report stated that Williams would occasionally talk to players about their classes, but mostly left that to Holladay and Walden. When he arrived at UNC, Williams was troubled with the amount of African and Afro-American Studies majors on the team, according to the report. He claims he was never told anything about the format of the classes, including that a non-faculty member was grading them.
However, Wainstein also noted:
Breakdown of enrollments in the paper classes by men's basketball coach (13 scholarships; often not fully allotted, but using that number for calculation):
Bill Guthridge - 17 in 3 years (5.7 per year)
Matt Doherty - 42 in 3 years (14 per year)
Roy Williams - 167 in 6 years (27.8 per year; more than 2.1 per scholarship athlete, assuming the full allotment of 13 scholarships)
For comparison:
Sylvia Hatchell - 114 in 18 years (6.33 per year)
Note that the time period (eighteen years) is the total years of the scandal, during which Hatchell was the only WCBB coach. If the period of enrollments for WCBB players in paper classes did not actually start until much later (or a majority started much later), the per year average would go up).
Interesting that Roy Williams brought his own academic advisor from Kansas, was involved enough to express concern about the number of African and Afro-American Studies majors, but not involved enough to note that his teams averaged 27.8 paper classes per year (again, with his chosen academic advisor), an amount that was double that of his predecessor.
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 10/22/15 3:56 pm ::: |
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The NCAA Investigation
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Those 60 days passed last week, making it seem more likely that the NCAA will choose to issue a new notice of allegations, which will extend the time to resolve the case by at least another 90 days. All of this means that the NCAA case is unlikely to be resolved before next spring. |
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article40937289.html#storylink=cpy
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Folt pledged UNC would step up its efforts to be transparent in its actions. It has created a new website that lists all public records requests and whether they have been processed.
But a check of the website shows many unfulfilled requests, some of which do not involve voluminous records. The News & Observer, for example, has not received legal and public relations bills from some of the firms UNC has contracted with, nor has UNC responded to a request for any letters of disassociation issued to people involved in the scandal. Both requests are several weeks old.
White said a much more voluminous request has tied up UNCs public records staff. Last year, The N&O requested all records provided to Wainstein for his investigation. (The Daily Tar Heel, UNCs student newspaper, made a similar request.) UNC began releasing those Wednesday, making public roughly 200,000 pages of records. UNC officials say five million pages of records were originally provided to Wainstein. |
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article40937289.html#storylink=cpy
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 10/22/15 3:59 pm ::: |
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NCAA officials have said they are limited in pursuing academic misconduct because member universities have insisted only they should make the call on the legitimacy of a class. The NCAA has not explained why it did not pursue an academic misconduct case against UNC over the fake classes, but that would have been likely if UNC had called the classes fraudulent. The NCAA has instead alleged impermissible benefits. |
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White, the UNC spokesman, declined to say whether the classes were fraudulent.
We have identified some classes as irregular. Weve certainly done that, White said. The Wainstein report has done that and I would refer you back to the Wainstein report for that material. |
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article40937289.html#storylink=cpy
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Posted: 10/23/15 10:06 am ::: |
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Thanks for all this ... what is the reaction in North Carolina? Or do the boosters and administration not care that much?
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CamrnCrz1974
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Posted: 10/23/15 1:41 pm ::: |
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Thanks for all this ... what is the reaction in North Carolina? Or do the boosters and administration not care that much? |
A number of UNC professors have gone after the university for allowing this.
A few prominent media personalities have laid the scandal at the feet of the academic side, not the athletic side.
A number of fans have taken the position that if Roy Williams did not specifically have an NOA allegation naming him, then men's basketball is not the focus (notwithstanding the NOA allegation that specifically highlights men's basketball).
Fans of other schools are quick to attack UNC for not just allowing this, but for perpetuating this for 18 years. Some ACC schools have a very long memory when it comes to these things (e.g., Clemson, a school that UNC went after years ago for football violations,).
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Posted: 10/23/15 1:42 pm ::: |
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In her editorial, Austin wrote that Hatchell and the womens basketball program had become a scapegoat amid the larger NCAA investigation into the long-running scheme of bogus no-show African- and Afro-American Studies courses. Austin suggested that womens basketball was being sacrificed to protect mens basketball and football, both of which had more enrollments in the suspect courses.
Theyve been all very, very loyal, and (would be more outspoken) if I would let them loose, Hatchell said. And Ive tried to control them a little bit and everything and (say), Were good, were good everythings great. But they have come running to my defense, trust me.
Hatchell wouldnt say whether she agreed that her program had been made a scapegoat. She also didnt have much to say about her thoughts on her contract situation, another topic Austin wrote about in her editorial. |
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/unc-now/article40800936.html#storylink=cpy
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