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PostPosted: 03/02/15 4:43 pm    ::: Wooden Award top 15 Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 03/02/15 5:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Fixed; forgot Davis, so replaced Logic with her (really tough cut)

Amanda Zahui B.
Aerial Pow!ers
Tiffany Mitchell
Breanna Stewart
Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis
Jewell Loyd
Elizabeth Williams
Allisha Gray
Jillian Alleyne
Dearica Hamby
Nina Davis
Betnijah Laney
Kelsey Plum
Brittany Boyd
Reshanda Gray




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PostPosted: 03/02/15 10:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

sigur3 wrote:
Amanda Zahui B.
Aerial Pow!ers
Tiffany Mitchell
Breanna Stewart
Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis
Jewell Loyd
Elizabeth Williams
Allisha Gray
Jillian Alleyne
Dearica Hamby
Samantha Logic
Betnijah Laney
Kelsey Plum
Brittany Boyd
Reshanda Gray


I like your list with the exception of Reshanda Gray. I would drop her and replace her with Nina Davis.



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PostPosted: 03/02/15 11:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Rock Hard wrote:
sigur3 wrote:
Amanda Zahui B.
Aerial Pow!ers
Tiffany Mitchell
Breanna Stewart
Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis
Jewell Loyd
Elizabeth Williams
Allisha Gray
Jillian Alleyne
Dearica Hamby
Samantha Logic
Betnijah Laney
Kelsey Plum
Brittany Boyd
Reshanda Gray


I like your list with the exception of Reshanda Gray. I would drop her and replace her with Nina Davis.


Shit, I knew something didn't look right...


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PostPosted: 03/10/15 5:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Here is the list of the 15 players named finalist for the John R. Wooden Award. Voting goes from March 16 - March 24.

Jillian Alleyne, Oregon
Brittany Boyd, California
Nina Davis, Baylor
Reshanda Gray, California
Moriah Jefferson, Connecticut
Samantha Logic, Iowa
Jewell Loyd, Notre Dame
Kelsey Mitchell, Ohio State
Tiffany Mitchell, South Carolina
Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis, Connecticut
Kelsey Plum, Washington
Breanna Stewart, Connecticut
Elizabeth Williams, Duke
A'ja Wilson, South Carolina
Amanda Zahui B., Minnesota

http://www.woodenaward.com/womensballot


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PostPosted: 03/10/15 5:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A'ja Wilson. A'ja Wilson!! Are you freak'n kidding me. I take Aleighsa Welch from that team before her.



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PostPosted: 03/10/15 8:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Oldfandepot2 wrote:
A'ja Wilson. A'ja Wilson!! Are you freak'n kidding me. I take Aleighsa Welch from that team before her.


Agree, Aleighsa Welch should be ahead of her.


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PostPosted: 03/10/15 9:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

user1688 wrote:
Oldfandepot2 wrote:
A'ja Wilson. A'ja Wilson!! Are you freak'n kidding me. I take Aleighsa Welch from that team before her.


Agree, Aleighsa Welch should be ahead of her.


and quite a few others too. But we gotta beach about something so if it wasn't her...



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PostPosted: 03/10/15 9:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I still dont understand Moriah Being On This List.... Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 03/10/15 9:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Can't believe Tennessee Isabelle Harrison did't make the list.




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PostPosted: 03/10/15 9:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I guess blowing out your knee before the end of the season disqualifies you from all further consideration



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PostPosted: 03/11/15 11:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 03/11/15 11:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
I still dont understand Moriah Being On This List.... Rolling Eyes

Really? It's hard for me to imagine why she wouldn't.

She is surrounded by a lot of talent (every starter on her team is likely to end the season with double digit scoring and with 100+ assists on the year) so she's obviously not as large a part of the offense as she would be otherwise. I don't know that it's fair to judge her for not getting as many assists as Brittany Boyd or as many points as Kelsey Plum. But she is dramatically more efficient than any other guard on the list.

There are seven guards on the list, Jefferson, Logic, the Mitchells, Boyd, Plum, and Loyd.

Jefferson is 5th in points per 40 at 17.4 (behind Mitchell, Mitchell, Plum, and Loyd), 3rd in assists per 40 at 7 (behind Logic and Boyd), and 1st in steals per 40 at 3.85. Those aren't exactly the numbers of someone who doesn't belong in the group, and we haven't gotten to efficiency stats yet.

Jefferson is 1st in shooting percentage (and, at 58% is 8 points higher than the next best on the list), 1st in 3PT percentage (50% on 88 attempts, 7 points higher than the next best), and 1st in A/TO (3.05, about 50% better than the next best).

Jefferson is also one of the best defenders at her position in the country. There's not a lot in a box score to back that up, but she's far and away the go-to perimeter defender for her team which is first in the nation in points allowed and field goal percentage defense.

So, what exactly is the argument for keeping her off?


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PostPosted: 03/12/15 12:17 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ladyvol777 wrote:
Can't believe Tennessee Isabelle Harrison did't make the list.


summertime blues wrote:
I guess blowing out your knee before the end of the season disqualifies you from all further consideration


At the time the list was released she played in about 65% of Tennessee's games, I don't if there is a written rule, but I would assume it's an unwritten rule that she missed too many games. If she got injured a week or a week and a few days later, it probably wouldn't have been that big of an issue and she would have been included.


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PostPosted: 03/12/15 6:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NickDMB wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
I still dont understand Moriah Being On This List.... Rolling Eyes

Really? It's hard for me to imagine why she wouldn't.

She is surrounded by a lot of talent (every starter on her team is likely to end the season with double digit scoring and with 100+ assists on the year) so she's obviously not as large a part of the offense as she would be otherwise. I don't know that it's fair to judge her for not getting as many assists as Brittany Boyd or as many points as Kelsey Plum. But she is dramatically more efficient than any other guard on the list.

There are seven guards on the list, Jefferson, Logic, the Mitchells, Boyd, Plum, and Loyd.

Jefferson is 5th in points per 40 at 17.4 (behind Mitchell, Mitchell, Plum, and Loyd), 3rd in assists per 40 at 7 (behind Logic and Boyd), and 1st in steals per 40 at 3.85. Those aren't exactly the numbers of someone who doesn't belong in the group, and we haven't gotten to efficiency stats yet.

Jefferson is 1st in shooting percentage (and, at 58% is 8 points higher than the next best on the list), 1st in 3PT percentage (50% on 88 attempts, 7 points higher than the next best), and 1st in A/TO (3.05, about 50% better than the next best).

Jefferson is also one of the best defenders at her position in the country. There's not a lot in a box score to back that up, but she's far and away the go-to perimeter defender for her team which is first in the nation in points allowed and field goal percentage defense.

So, what exactly is the argument for keeping her off?


Good points, and welcome to the board. I agree that Moriah's stats are very high quality. The only real argument I can see for keeping her off the list is her low scoring numbers (despite her very high shooting percentage), the fact that she amasses her offensive stats while not being the focus of the opposition's defense, and the fact that there may be 2 other players from her own team that are better POY candidates. But do I think that Moriah is one of top 15 players in the country? Quite possibly, as she may be the best PG. I have no problem with her inclusion.


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PostPosted: 03/12/15 2:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

"There are seven guards on the list, Jefferson, Logic, the Mitchells, Boyd, Plum, and Loyd. "

So, should the NCAA also implement a 3-second defensive rule AND put in the same kind of contact foul rules for inside the paint that the perimeter players enjoy?

I say Give the Bigs a Chance, put more value on good passing, and reward strategy over one on one dribbling and one trick 3 pt wonders.


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PostPosted: 03/15/15 3:51 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

larmarch5 wrote:
"There are seven guards on the list, Jefferson, Logic, the Mitchells, Boyd, Plum, and Loyd. "

So, should the NCAA also implement a 3-second defensive rule AND put in the same kind of contact foul rules for inside the paint that the perimeter players enjoy?

I say Give the Bigs a Chance, put more value on good passing, and reward strategy over one on one dribbling and one trick 3 pt wonders.

I don't have a strong opinion on a defensive three second rule in college, but I don't think that the presence of 7 guards amongst the best 15 players is germane. Pretty much every player to play in the 1 or 2 spot is a guard, along with quite a few 3s, so 47% doesn't sound very far off.

As for whether there should be the same contact rules for players facing away from the basket, obviously not. If you're not allowed to defensively post up (or even touch the offensive player), the game falls apart.


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PostPosted: 03/15/15 3:55 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Fighting Artichoke wrote:


Good points, and welcome to the board. I agree that Moriah's stats are very high quality. The only real argument I can see for keeping her off the list is her low scoring numbers (despite her very high shooting percentage), the fact that she amasses her offensive stats while not being the focus of the opposition's defense, and the fact that there may be 2 other players from her own team that are better POY candidates. But do I think that Moriah is one of top 15 players in the country? Quite possibly, as she may be the best PG. I have no problem with her inclusion.


Thanks! I think watch lists generally default to (and are seen as) the best X players in the country, so that was the perspective with which I was approaching the question. As for scoring, obviously there's got to be an arbitrary line in the sand somewhere, but I don't think that 17 points per 40 is all that low (again, higher than both Logic and Boyd), especially for players who's primary contributions are not scoring.


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