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Ah, thank you. I remember that now.
I get that obviously players like Diggins are going to be known by face and not just their number. But the reality is, for the overwhelming majority of players, they are going to be known by their numbers when preparing and executing a game plan.
"We are not going to let #13 get any open looks." "#45 always turns over her left shoulder. Make her go right." "Force #3 to the right."
I don't know...maybe some are more sensitive and feel it's some sort of disrespect type of thing. I don't view it that way at all. |
I think it's very well understood that player numbers need to be used prepping for the game and during the game. It's when it carries over to talking to the press it becomes problematic. It's like the opponents are not really people. At some point, you've got to turn them back into full human beings. Also worth pointing out is McCallie failing to shake hands with Diamond DeShields after the game and her husband tweeting something along the lines of "you don't have to respect evil - you can pass it on by." [NOT AN EXACT QUOTE]. These two things together show a pattern of a lack of sportsmanship. |
Turn them back into humans? So because she referred to players by their number, she is showing a lack of sportsmanship? I don't know, but I do know that immediately after the game it's pretty easy to have your mind going 100 miles an hour, be caught up in a moment reliving the game and maybe not remember names. The numbers are easily brought back to memory because that's what you are seeing in your head.
I just think this is pretty silly to be honest and that there is some oversensitivity going on here. Maybe it's just me.
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| Sure, every coach does it some. But McCallie carries it to such an extreme that it is purposeful and disrespectful. When she is referring to DeShields and Thomas and McBride and so forth by number, there's no excuse. She knows their names.
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| Sure, every coach does it some. But McCallie carries it to such an extreme that it is purposeful and disrespectful. When she is referring to DeShields and Thomas and McBride and so forth by number, there's no excuse. She knows their names. |
I hear ya...guess I didn't realize it was an every game occurrence.
I feel like there is a lynch mob for JPM...reading this thread and then in the general transfer thread about some secret video recorded of practice, dad making Calhoun transfer, etc. You'd think JPM was the devil.
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| Sure, every coach does it some. But McCallie carries it to such an extreme that it is purposeful and disrespectful. When she is referring to DeShields and Thomas and McBride and so forth by number, there's no excuse. She knows their names. |
Exactly. It appears to be purposeful. Especially when the player has just burned you.
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This surprises me.
I was also somewhat surprised how quickly the recruiting interest in UConn seemed to drop. I have video of Calhoun telling me in October of her junior year that she had an offer from UConn and I had seen UConn coaches at her CTK games since her freshman year. The final reports seemed to be that Calhoun had named UConn, Duke and Notre Dame as her final three. The outside world was virtually unanimously convinced that UConn has a big lead because of her brother's being there.
Yet by early spring Sierra had committed to Duke.
I never had any inside information, but personally never thought Calhoun was a particularly good fit for UConn and still don't. That opinion is simply based on her skill set and playing style. Calhoun was vocal in expressing her interest in being a point guard--and I have that on tape--but I could never see her at that position at the UConn level. Yet I was surprised at the rather quick deterioration of the UConn courtship.
I can be noted that Calhoun committed to Duke about six days after Gabby Williams committed to UConn. Maybe that was a factor.
Back to the point guard preference issue, here's how Calhoun explained her Duke decision to one publication:
"Well Coach P (Joanne P. McCallie) wants me to come in and be a impact player from day one at the guard spot they will be loosing Chelsea Gray; I think Coach P and Duke's program is ready and on the verge of something real special." When Asked do you feel you stand a chance of winning a NCAA Title at Duke she replied firmly and calm "I believe that Duke will win a national title that's why I'm going there."
With uber-magical Angela Salvadores and Kyra Lambert coming to Duke next season as point/combo guards, maybe Calhoun finally realized she wasn't going to be the Duke point guard and/or that she wasn't going to win a national championship.
I don't see Calhoun at UConn. I don't know that Duke would release her to another ACC school, so that would eliminate Notre Dame (where she wouldn't play PG either) and Louisville. Yet Calhoun surely still is a competitor who wants a national championship. Could that be Dawn Staley or Holly Warlick knocking on the door? |
UConn never offered her! College can't comment when players put out a list of schools.
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Really. I am not particularly a McCallie fan but the fact that she is singled out for voicing negative things about her players is disingenuous. I would like to know which coaches don't do the same thing.
As far as Calhoun is concerned, she is a chucker and has shown little about being a team player, I am sure that is not all McCallies fault. |
For nix and all others who insinuate JPM is being undeservedly criticized and/or that I as a UConn fan am being selective:
Sure, over the last 30 years I've seen Geno occasionally throw a player under the bus; more often it's the whole team. (I'm also aware of the great things he does for the players). I've seen Pat do it. I've seen many coaches across the sports spectrum do it, and, therefore, it's not an automatically "shocking" thing to me.
So, when I watch a coach do it- especially a coach who, up until recently was held in esteem due to that '05 MSU team and who I thought was being unjustly criticized by RAF, et al,- and it gets this kind of reaction out of me, it's more than just another pissed-off/embarrassed coach not surprisingly blowing off steam, imo.
Idk how to explain it- she/the presser was dark. It was weird. IOW, watching that scene made her track record of transfers and a revolving door of assts. seem like no surprise. |
Cth - thanks for this. I was always speaking out for the players and their families who have shared their issues with me. They continue to express their gratitude to me to this day as all their efforts to communicate to appropriate persons was to no avail. I figured it was only a matter of time before she exposed her behavior more publically. At that point, people would understand I wasn't in it for the drama, continued despondence over the departure of Coach G or anything else. It's about the players, many, many of whom have been pretty miserable over the past 7.5 years. Joy Cheek was the exception and we know how that turned out. And Chelsea. Apparently Chelsea Gray just loves everyone. I hope to make a trip up to see her at the casino.
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This surprises me.
I was also somewhat surprised how quickly the recruiting interest in UConn seemed to drop. I have video of Calhoun telling me in October of her junior year that she had an offer from UConn and I had seen UConn coaches at her CTK games since her freshman year. The final reports seemed to be that Calhoun had named UConn, Duke and Notre Dame as her final three. The outside world was virtually unanimously convinced that UConn has a big lead because of her brother's being there.
Yet by early spring Sierra had committed to Duke.
I never had any inside information, but personally never thought Calhoun was a particularly good fit for UConn and still don't. That opinion is simply based on her skill set and playing style. Calhoun was vocal in expressing her interest in being a point guard--and I have that on tape--but I could never see her at that position at the UConn level. Yet I was surprised at the rather quick deterioration of the UConn courtship.
I can be noted that Calhoun committed to Duke about six days after Gabby Williams committed to UConn. Maybe that was a factor.
Back to the point guard preference issue, here's how Calhoun explained her Duke decision to one publication:
"Well Coach P (Joanne P. McCallie) wants me to come in and be a impact player from day one at the guard spot they will be loosing Chelsea Gray; I think Coach P and Duke's program is ready and on the verge of something real special." When Asked do you feel you stand a chance of winning a NCAA Title at Duke she replied firmly and calm "I believe that Duke will win a national title that's why I'm going there."
With uber-magical Angela Salvadores and Kyra Lambert coming to Duke next season as point/combo guards, maybe Calhoun finally realized she wasn't going to be the Duke point guard and/or that she wasn't going to win a national championship.
I don't see Calhoun at UConn. I don't know that Duke would release her to another ACC school, so that would eliminate Notre Dame (where she wouldn't play PG either) and Louisville. Yet Calhoun surely still is a competitor who wants a national championship. Could that be Dawn Staley or Holly Warlick knocking on the door? |
UConn never offered her! College can't comment when players put out a list of schools. |
"UConn never offered her!", HoopsQueen?
Watch the first 10 seconds of the following video, filmed on October 28, 2012, in which she names UConn third in a long list of offers. There are now only two possibilities:
1. Sierra Calhoun lied to me on the video record.
2. You don't know what you're talking about.
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/FwPmuPhYT34?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
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| Posted: 01/05/15 9:01 pm ::: |
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This surprises me.
I was also somewhat surprised how quickly the recruiting interest in UConn seemed to drop. I have video of Calhoun telling me in October of her junior year that she had an offer from UConn and I had seen UConn coaches at her CTK games since her freshman year. The final reports seemed to be that Calhoun had named UConn, Duke and Notre Dame as her final three. The outside world was virtually unanimously convinced that UConn has a big lead because of her brother's being there.
Yet by early spring Sierra had committed to Duke.
I never had any inside information, but personally never thought Calhoun was a particularly good fit for UConn and still don't. That opinion is simply based on her skill set and playing style. Calhoun was vocal in expressing her interest in being a point guard--and I have that on tape--but I could never see her at that position at the UConn level. Yet I was surprised at the rather quick deterioration of the UConn courtship.
I can be noted that Calhoun committed to Duke about six days after Gabby Williams committed to UConn. Maybe that was a factor.
Back to the point guard preference issue, here's how Calhoun explained her Duke decision to one publication:
"Well Coach P (Joanne P. McCallie) wants me to come in and be a impact player from day one at the guard spot they will be loosing Chelsea Gray; I think Coach P and Duke's program is ready and on the verge of something real special." When Asked do you feel you stand a chance of winning a NCAA Title at Duke she replied firmly and calm "I believe that Duke will win a national title that's why I'm going there."
With uber-magical Angela Salvadores and Kyra Lambert coming to Duke next season as point/combo guards, maybe Calhoun finally realized she wasn't going to be the Duke point guard and/or that she wasn't going to win a national championship.
I don't see Calhoun at UConn. I don't know that Duke would release her to another ACC school, so that would eliminate Notre Dame (where she wouldn't play PG either) and Louisville. Yet Calhoun surely still is a competitor who wants a national championship. Could that be Dawn Staley or Holly Warlick knocking on the door? |
UConn never offered her! College can't comment when players put out a list of schools. |
"UConn never offered her!", HoopsQueen?
Watch the first 10 seconds of the following video, filmed on October 28, 2012, in which she names UConn third in a long list of offers. There are now only two possibilities:
1. Sierra Calhoun lied to me on the video record.
2. You don't know what you're talking about.
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/FwPmuPhYT34?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
2012 was a long time ago, and a kid could think they had an offer but didn't really. An assistant coach saying we really want you isn't an offer but some people say it is. If you follow football or MBB recruiting you will see this all the time players list offers that aren't really legit. Part of it is the coaches fault, they want some kids to think they have an offer but they sort of lead them on because they are secondary options and they are pursuing other players harder. If they miss on those other players its easy to come back to the backup since you gave them a faux offer early on and they won't feel like they got offered late in the game as a backup.
Did Geno do a home visit with her during her senior year? did they invite her for an official visit? Someone with a legit offer would probably get those sort of things.
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This surprises me.
I was also somewhat surprised how quickly the recruiting interest in UConn seemed to drop. I have video of Calhoun telling me in October of her junior year that she had an offer from UConn and I had seen UConn coaches at her CTK games since her freshman year. The final reports seemed to be that Calhoun had named UConn, Duke and Notre Dame as her final three. The outside world was virtually unanimously convinced that UConn has a big lead because of her brother's being there.
Yet by early spring Sierra had committed to Duke.
I never had any inside information, but personally never thought Calhoun was a particularly good fit for UConn and still don't. That opinion is simply based on her skill set and playing style. Calhoun was vocal in expressing her interest in being a point guard--and I have that on tape--but I could never see her at that position at the UConn level. Yet I was surprised at the rather quick deterioration of the UConn courtship.
I can be noted that Calhoun committed to Duke about six days after Gabby Williams committed to UConn. Maybe that was a factor.
Back to the point guard preference issue, here's how Calhoun explained her Duke decision to one publication:
"Well Coach P (Joanne P. McCallie) wants me to come in and be a impact player from day one at the guard spot they will be loosing Chelsea Gray; I think Coach P and Duke's program is ready and on the verge of something real special." When Asked do you feel you stand a chance of winning a NCAA Title at Duke she replied firmly and calm "I believe that Duke will win a national title that's why I'm going there."
With uber-magical Angela Salvadores and Kyra Lambert coming to Duke next season as point/combo guards, maybe Calhoun finally realized she wasn't going to be the Duke point guard and/or that she wasn't going to win a national championship.
I don't see Calhoun at UConn. I don't know that Duke would release her to another ACC school, so that would eliminate Notre Dame (where she wouldn't play PG either) and Louisville. Yet Calhoun surely still is a competitor who wants a national championship. Could that be Dawn Staley or Holly Warlick knocking on the door? |
UConn never offered her! College can't comment when players put out a list of schools. |
"UConn never offered her!", HoopsQueen?
Watch the first 10 seconds of the following video, filmed on October 28, 2012, in which she names UConn third in a long list of offers. There are now only two possibilities:
1. Sierra Calhoun lied to me on the video record.
2. You don't know what you're talking about.
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/FwPmuPhYT34?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> |
Newsflash recruits and families don't always tell the truth and since coaches can not make comments there is ZERO fact checking going on
I may not know what I am talking about but I know she will not be in a UConn uniform
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I find it highly unlikely that one of the top national recruits would lie into a video camera held by a credentialed journalist, which she would assume would be published. I find it more likely that a casual acquaintance of her family wouldn't know her complete offer history throughout the long recruiting process.
I've interviewed lots of UConn recruits and have never encountered any of them who were under a mistaken impression as to whether they had an offer or not. Geno Auriemma talks very plainly about things like that. And the Calhoun family was highly sophisticated about recruiting, especially UConn recruiting.
I specifically asked Calhoun about her offers because there had been a newspaper report about six weeks earlier in September 2012 to the effect that Calhoun was expecting but had not yet received a UConn offer.
Three weeks after my interview, in December 2012, the NY Daily News was reporting that Calhoun had a UConn offer while Geno Auriemma was in the stands for the CTK game against Nazareth:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high-school/sierra-lifts-ck-nazareth-article-1.1221196
Thereafter, it was commonly reported by all journalists that Calhoun had a UConn offer and had narrowed her final choices by July 2013 down to Duke, Notre Dame and UConn:
http://www.brooklyndaily.com/stories/2013/28/sp_collegecalhoun_2013_07_12_bd.html
Interestingly, Calhoun's final three choices were the same as the first three she listed to me in the October 2012 video.
I agree that Calhoun is highly unlikely to transfer to UConn. She still wouldn't be a good fit there at guard and would be in huge dog fight for forward/wing minutes with Tuck, Samuelson, Williams, Collier and Boykin. |
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Watch the first 10 seconds of the following video, filmed on October 28, 2012, in which she names UConn third in a long list of offers. There are now only two possibilities:
1. Sierra Calhoun lied to me on the video record.
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Considering this is coming from the same person claiming Mike Krzyzewski - the winningest coach in college basketball history - is afraid of being upstaged by a new womens basketball coach at Duke, I vote for "2".
It was well known Geno was recruiting her, and considering her brother was there, I think most people expected her to end up at UConn.
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| I'm pretty sure I've heard Geno throw players under the bus before as well. It happens...maybe a little more frequently with JPM but who knows. This will be an interesting week for the Blue Devils as they play both Syracuse and Florida State, 2 teams that should finish among the top 5 or 6 teams in the ACC. |
I personally do not mind coaches calling players out or putting most of the blame on players. That's only if the coach is a proven good coach who we know does all she/he can to prepare her/his players well, makes her/his players better, and it's a surprise when that coach's teams lose big like that. The Duke losses to UConn and other elite teams is getting very predictable and unsurprising. She knows it's her fault doesn't she? I mean seriously doesn't she get it or is she too proud to say so? Just admit it. At this point she has nothing to lose and it might help salvage her reputation which is going downhill really really fast. Why do all of these elites still keep going there?
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| I'm pretty sure I've heard Geno throw players under the bus before as well. It happens...maybe a little more frequently with JPM but who knows. This will be an interesting week for the Blue Devils as they play both Syracuse and Florida State, 2 teams that should finish among the top 5 or 6 teams in the ACC. |
I personally do not mind coaches calling players out or putting most of the blame on players. That's only if the coach is a proven good coach who we know does all she/he can to prepare her/his players well, makes her/his players better, and it's a surprise when that coach's teams lose big like that. The Duke losses to UConn and other elite teams is getting very predictable and unsurprising. She knows it's her fault doesn't she? I mean seriously doesn't she get it or is she too proud to say so? Just admit it. At this point she has nothing to lose and it might help salvage her reputation which is going downhill really really fast. Why do all of these elites still keep going there? |
Duke is a world class university, has a great campus, is a really nice place to go to college. I think most of those players are picking Duke for the same reasons that thousands of other students fight to get accepted by Duke, and not because of McCallie.
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| I'm pretty sure I've heard Geno throw players under the bus before as well. It happens...maybe a little more frequently with JPM but who knows. This will be an interesting week for the Blue Devils as they play both Syracuse and Florida State, 2 teams that should finish among the top 5 or 6 teams in the ACC. |
I personally do not mind coaches calling players out or putting most of the blame on players. That's only if the coach is a proven good coach who we know does all she/he can to prepare her/his players well, makes her/his players better, and it's a surprise when that coach's teams lose big like that. The Duke losses to UConn and other elite teams is getting very predictable and unsurprising. She knows it's her fault doesn't she? I mean seriously doesn't she get it or is she too proud to say so? Just admit it. At this point she has nothing to lose and it might help salvage her reputation which is going downhill really really fast. Why do all of these elites still keep going there? |
Duke is a world class university, has a great campus, is a really nice place to go to college. I think most of those players are picking Duke for the same reasons that thousands of other students fight to get accepted by Duke, and not because of McCallie. |
Two more things, Durham is an up and coming city. Cool venues have popped up like freaking mushrooms. Then there's the CAPE program in which student athletes can participate in clinics at Duke and learn how medicine is done. For med school hopefuls, the program is unparalleled. It was started by two docs in the brain cancer center who were big Duke women's bball fans and Georgia Schweitzer, the former Duke player who's in her last year of fellowship as a cancer surgeon. Three current DWB players are in that program, including Elizabeth Williams. That has been a HUGE draw for medicine hopefuls. Jenna Frush, walk on her first three seasons, has also been in the program, open to all intercollegiate athletes at Duke.
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| I'm pretty sure I've heard Geno throw players under the bus before as well. It happens...maybe a little more frequently with JPM but who knows. This will be an interesting week for the Blue Devils as they play both Syracuse and Florida State, 2 teams that should finish among the top 5 or 6 teams in the ACC. |
I personally do not mind coaches calling players out or putting most of the blame on players. That's only if the coach is a proven good coach who we know does all she/he can to prepare her/his players well, makes her/his players better, and it's a surprise when that coach's teams lose big like that. The Duke losses to UConn and other elite teams is getting very predictable and unsurprising. She knows it's her fault doesn't she? I mean seriously doesn't she get it or is she too proud to say so? Just admit it. At this point she has nothing to lose and it might help salvage her reputation which is going downhill really really fast. Why do all of these elites still keep going there? |
Duke is a world class university, has a great campus, is a really nice place to go to college. I think most of those players are picking Duke for the same reasons that thousands of other students fight to get accepted by Duke, and not because of McCallie. |
Two more things, Durham is an up and coming city. Cool venues have popped up like freaking mushrooms. Then there's the CAPE program in which student athletes can participate in clinics at Duke and learn how medicine is done. For med school hopefuls, the program is unparalleled. It was started by two docs in the brain cancer center who were big Duke women's bball fans and Georgia Schweitzer, the former Duke player who's in her last year of fellowship as a cancer surgeon. Three current DWB players are in that program, including Elizabeth Williams. That has been a HUGE draw for medicine hopefuls. Jenna Frush, walk on her first three seasons, has also been in the program, open to all intercollegiate athletes at Duke. |
Yes, I get this. Great university, but that didn't keep all of the recent transfers happy there. Duke is always going to get a few AA's just because it is Duke. My question is why do so many elite HSers want to play in that environment? I mean, if those transfers hadn't happened the past couple of years, Duke would really be stacked and compared to most programs, they still are. I suppose you are right. The prestige of the Duke degree and experience, coupled with they've been a top 10 team for more than 10 years now is why. It happens on the men's side too, but at least at one point they had a coach there who could win them titles in coach K. Once the women's team starts dropping further and further down in the rankings and losing more, this may change. The program is in a weird cycle right now though. Any coach with that much talent (mixed with experience) is going to be top 10 or close to top 10 and that's how JPM keeps winning. She is able to hide her deficiencies as a coach because elite players keep flocking there in droves. However, GA and even Muffet completely expose those deficiencies and they don't allow her to hide behind all that talent. So what does she do? She gets rid of those things that expose her deficiencies as a coach. No more playing UConn voluntarily. That has been the only game in which she is seriously ridiculed for being so terrible. At least she's not dumb enough to keep get beat down like that. Good luck the rest of the way. It's a weird situation for the Duke fans for sure.
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| I'm pretty sure I've heard Geno throw players under the bus before as well. It happens...maybe a little more frequently with JPM but who knows. This will be an interesting week for the Blue Devils as they play both Syracuse and Florida State, 2 teams that should finish among the top 5 or 6 teams in the ACC. |
I personally do not mind coaches calling players out or putting most of the blame on players. That's only if the coach is a proven good coach who we know does all she/he can to prepare her/his players well, makes her/his players better, and it's a surprise when that coach's teams lose big like that. The Duke losses to UConn and other elite teams is getting very predictable and unsurprising. She knows it's her fault doesn't she? I mean seriously doesn't she get it or is she too proud to say so? Just admit it. At this point she has nothing to lose and it might help salvage her reputation which is going downhill really really fast. Why do all of these elites still keep going there? |
Duke is a world class university, has a great campus, is a really nice place to go to college. I think most of those players are picking Duke for the same reasons that thousands of other students fight to get accepted by Duke, and not because of McCallie. |
Two more things, Durham is an up and coming city. Cool venues have popped up like freaking mushrooms. Then there's the CAPE program in which student athletes can participate in clinics at Duke and learn how medicine is done. For med school hopefuls, the program is unparalleled. It was started by two docs in the brain cancer center who were big Duke women's bball fans and Georgia Schweitzer, the former Duke player who's in her last year of fellowship as a cancer surgeon. Three current DWB players are in that program, including Elizabeth Williams. That has been a HUGE draw for medicine hopefuls. Jenna Frush, walk on her first three seasons, has also been in the program, open to all intercollegiate athletes at Duke. |
Yes, I get this. Great university, but that didn't keep all of the recent transfers happy there. Duke is always going to get a few AA's just because it is Duke. My question is why do so many elite HSers want to play in that environment? I mean, if those transfers hadn't happened the past couple of years, Duke would really be stacked and compared to most programs, they still are. I suppose you are right. The prestige of the Duke degree and experience, coupled with they've been a top 10 team for more than 10 years now is why. It happens on the men's side too, but at least at one point they had a coach there who could win them titles in coach K. Once the women's team starts dropping further and further down in the rankings and losing more, this may change. The program is in a weird cycle right now though. Any coach with that much talent (mixed with experience) is going to be top 10 or close to top 10 and that's how JPM keeps winning. She is able to hide her deficiencies as a coach because elite players keep flocking there in droves. However, GA and even Muffet completely expose those deficiencies and they don't allow her to hide behind all that talent. So what does she do? She gets rid of those things that expose her deficiencies as a coach. No more playing UConn voluntarily. That has been the only game in which she is seriously ridiculed for being so terrible. At least she's not dumb enough to keep get beat down like that. Good luck the rest of the way. It's a weird situation for the Duke fans for sure. |
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| I agree that Calhoun is highly unlikely to transfer to UConn. She still wouldn't be a good fit there at guard and would be in huge dog fight for forward/wing minutes with Tuck, Samuelson, Williams, Collier and Boykin. |
Calhoun will NOT ever land at UConn.
It is likely she will end up like Edwards, at a Power 5-6 school, but a 2nd-tier one....ala St. John's or West Virginia or Penn St...some school like that. |
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| I agree that Calhoun is highly unlikely to transfer to UConn. She still wouldn't be a good fit there at guard and would be in huge dog fight for forward/wing minutes with Tuck, Samuelson, Williams, Collier and Boykin. |
Calhoun will NOT ever land at UConn.
It is likely she will end up like Edwards, at a Power 5-6 school, but a 2nd-tier one....ala St. John's or West Virginia or Penn St...some school like that. |
Why so anxious to relegate her to what you call a "second-tier" school? She's a good player who could make any of several teams better...and maybe wouldn't want to go to UConn now anyway, since she didn't choose it in the first place. There are plenty of other good schools who might be very happy to have her and coaches who would value her contribution to their team. It could very well be a top team. Your post sounds a wee bit sour-grapeish.
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McCallie is an excellent recruiter, which can loosely be translated as "salesperson."
So you have an impressive home visit plus lots of wins plus Duke education plus alumnae in the WNBA, and it adds up to a pretty attractive package.
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| UConn was contacted they have no interest. Father has rubbed many in the athletic department the wrong. Ollie is looking for a way to run off the son from the men's team
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McCallie is an excellent recruiter, which can loosely be translated as "salesperson."
So you have an impressive home visit plus lots of wins plus Duke education plus alumnae in the WNBA, and it adds up to a pretty attractive package. |
What is your opinion Duke grads under Coach P in the league?
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They get there, but they don't necessarily stay there.
Star players, though, believe that they will succeed where perhaps others have stumbled, so I think McCallie can certainly use the professional angle to her advantage. After all, how many schools had two players drafted in the first round last year, and will have another this year? And though players like Chante Black and Krystal Thomas and Jasmine Thomas haven't been stars in the league, they've played multiple years and made money overseas.
A good salesperson can make that sound like major success, and there's no doubt McCallie can sell her product.
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McCallie is an excellent recruiter, which can loosely be translated as "salesperson."
So you have an impressive home visit plus lots of wins plus Duke education plus alumnae in the WNBA, and it adds up to a pretty attractive package. |
What is your opinion Duke grads under Coach P in the league? |
I know this wasn't directed at me but I'll chime in anyway. Duke players have pretty consistently UNDERachieved at Duke based on their rankings coming into college. They have been drafted by the WNBA based on their college play, meaning lower than expected when coming out of high school. They have OVERachieved in the WNBA based on where they were drafted. There are few 2nd rounders, even fewer 3rd rounders who made it onto a roster the first year. Even fewer who lasted more than one season, mostly on the bench. In particular, Karima Christmas has greatly exceeded her 2nd round draftpick and Krystal Thomas, the very last pick in the 3rd round has stayed in the league for 3 seasons. She is an excellent post defender with limited offense. In college, it was her limited offense that dropped her draft status. It is her excellent post defense that is more clearly seen now that leads to her remaining in the WNBA.
Last year's stellar graduating class UNDERachieved in college based on their ranking coming out of high school. For Chelsea Gray this is 100% due to injury as when not injured, she lived up to her billing and would have been a lotto pick if she could have played last WNBA season. Tricia Liston worked hard to live up to her ranking out of high school and was able to make a roster. Haley Peters UNDERachieved in college, was not selected in the WNBA draft and did not make a roster after getting an invite to training camp. She is making a living by playing overseas. Chloe Wells kept gettins suspended from the roster and was not honored on senior night. There was no statement on why she was dismissed from the team. I have recently heard that she described her experience with Coach McCallie as being difficult based on how she treated the players in a demeaning and belittling way. She is making a living playing overseas and said that, other than the coach, her experience at Duke getting a degree was excellent.
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