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AJMMs
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FollowtheCardinalRule
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Posted: 12/12/14 9:10 pm ::: |
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Quick, get the Ogwumike's out of there.
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summertime blues
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Posted: 12/12/14 9:31 pm ::: |
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Pepperdine is one of those "Christian" schools. It's just not as blatant as Liberty.
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AJMMs
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Posted: 12/12/14 10:17 pm ::: |
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FollowtheCardinalRule wrote: |
Quick, get the Ogwumike's out of there. |
I thought the same thing. The two eldest seem so progressive in their thinking, at least they seem to be. I thought something might be going on there. Are these the two that reported leaving the team before the season?
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FS02
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Posted: 12/12/14 10:17 pm ::: |
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Pepperdine used to be a pretty good team, but it seems they've gone downhill in recent years. So, IF they are being that intolerant I'd kinda like to believe they are just shooting themselves in the foot... and the coach will be out of a job soon.
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AJMMs
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Carol Anne
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Posted: 12/13/14 9:56 am ::: |
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Players, be you straight or gay, please read your prospective college's student handbook before you commit. Know the culture.
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pilight
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Posted: 12/13/14 9:59 am ::: |
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Much has changed since Jen Lacy matriculated
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Nixtreefan
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Posted: 12/13/14 4:49 pm ::: |
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FollowtheCardinalRule wrote: |
Quick, get the Ogwumike's out of there. |
Considering none of them are gay, why would you think they should leave, maybe they are more concerned about getting a good education than what TMZ thinks.
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StevenHW
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Posted: 12/13/14 5:51 pm ::: |
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FS02 wrote: |
Pepperdine used to be a pretty good team, but it seems they've gone downhill in recent years. So, IF they are being that intolerant I'd kinda like to believe they are just shooting themselves in the foot... and the coach will be out of a job soon. |
Speaking of the Pepperdine coach...
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According to the suit, the women claim the basketball coach, Ryan Weisenberg, gave a speech on the topic of "lesbianism" in April...in which he said, "Lesbianism is not tolerated on this team. It is the reason why teams lose." |
Is this the same Weisenberg who was an assistant with the Houston Comets, under Karleen Thompson?
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Carol Anne
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Posted: 12/13/14 6:39 pm ::: |
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StevenHW wrote: |
FS02 wrote: |
Pepperdine used to be a pretty good team, but it seems they've gone downhill in recent years. So, IF they are being that intolerant I'd kinda like to believe they are just shooting themselves in the foot... and the coach will be out of a job soon. |
Speaking of the Pepperdine coach...
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According to the suit, the women claim the basketball coach, Ryan Weisenberg, gave a speech on the topic of "lesbianism" in April...in which he said, "Lesbianism is not tolerated on this team. It is the reason why teams lose." |
Is this the same Weisenberg who was an assistant with the Houston Comets, under Karleen Thompson? |
Appears to be.
http://www.pepperdinesports.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/ryan_weisenberg_817449.html
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Queenie
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Posted: 12/13/14 9:09 pm ::: |
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Nixtreefan wrote: |
FollowtheCardinalRule wrote: |
Quick, get the Ogwumike's out of there. |
Considering none of them are gay, why would you think they should leave, maybe they are more concerned about getting a good education than what TMZ thinks. |
I don't know about you, but no matter my sexuality, I would side-eye the living shit out of a coach who was homophobic (or dumb) enough to believe that TEH SCARY GHEIS are the reason teams lose. That is not a culture I could be comfortable in; even though I do happen to be straight, I would not be able to deal with that kind of bullshit from a coach.
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beknighted
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Posted: 12/14/14 8:19 am ::: |
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Queenie wrote: |
Nixtreefan wrote: |
FollowtheCardinalRule wrote: |
Quick, get the Ogwumike's out of there. |
Considering none of them are gay, why would you think they should leave, maybe they are more concerned about getting a good education than what TMZ thinks. |
I don't know about you, but no matter my sexuality, I would side-eye the living shit out of a coach who was homophobic (or dumb) enough to believe that TEH SCARY GHEIS are the reason teams lose. That is not a culture I could be comfortable in; even though I do happen to be straight, I would not be able to deal with that kind of bullshit from a coach. |
Exactly. Happily, a lot of players would feel the same way about this as they would if a coach said she wouldn't abide having Asian Americans or Hispanics on a team.
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GEF34
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Posted: 12/14/14 9:39 am ::: |
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I don't know him personally, but based on who Ryan Weisenburg has coached, worked with and for, I am very surprised by this.
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patsweetpat
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Posted: 12/14/14 9:57 am ::: |
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AJMMs wrote: |
FollowtheCardinalRule wrote: |
Quick, get the Ogwumike's out of there. |
I thought the same thing. The two eldest seem so progressive in their thinking, at least they seem to be. |
And yet at least one of them is, evidently, quite close to Condoleeza Rice. They contain multitudes.
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summertime blues
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Posted: 12/14/14 9:57 am ::: |
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GEF34 wrote: |
I don't know him personally, but based on who Ryan Weisenburg has coached, worked with and for, I am very surprised by this. |
I guess since he's drunk the Pepperdine Kool-Aid, he has to spout the Pepperdine line.
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ball4life
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Posted: 12/15/14 8:01 am ::: |
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I can see where they are coming from depending on the situation.
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PUmatty
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Posted: 12/15/14 8:19 am ::: |
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Pepperdine states, in their student handbook, that gay students face discipline from the university, including expulsion. If the basketball team doesn't allow lesbians, it is just in line with the rest of the university.
Not sure why the WCBB community does not believe these student handbook and university rules exist and matter. Pepperdine is not the only school where this is the case, including at least two schools with much more prominent WCBB profiles.
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ClayK
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Posted: 12/15/14 10:30 am ::: |
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PUmatty wrote: |
Pepperdine states, in their student handbook, that gay students face discipline from the university, including expulsion. If the basketball team doesn't allow lesbians, it is just in line with the rest of the university.
Not sure why the WCBB community does not believe these student handbook and university rules exist and matter. Pepperdine is not the only school where this is the case, including at least two schools with much more prominent WCBB profiles. |
I think it will be interesting in the coming years to see if those kinds of rules will stand under threat of the removal of federal funding.
I also think a private university has every right to have its own rules and regulations. It's not a public business like a restaurant, say, and though I could be mistaken, I think it's legal for a business to restrict its customer base if it so desires. (I'm not so sure about employees, though ...)
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beknighted
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Posted: 12/15/14 10:33 am ::: |
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PUmatty wrote: |
Pepperdine states, in their student handbook, that gay students face discipline from the university, including expulsion. If the basketball team doesn't allow lesbians, it is just in line with the rest of the university.
Not sure why the WCBB community does not believe these student handbook and university rules exist and matter. Pepperdine is not the only school where this is the case, including at least two schools with much more prominent WCBB profiles. |
Unfortunately, you're right that a fair number of schools (or, perhaps, an unfair number of schools) have similar policies. I suspect that in most cases the policies are enforced sporadically or just against people who are thought to be nuisances, but they're there.
We've had the discussion here about Baylor in the past, but I'm sure it's not the only prominent program at a school with similar policies. (And I imagine that at least in some cases, the coaches actually tell recruits not to worry about the policies so long as they're discreet.)
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beknighted
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Posted: 12/15/14 10:37 am ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
PUmatty wrote: |
Pepperdine states, in their student handbook, that gay students face discipline from the university, including expulsion. If the basketball team doesn't allow lesbians, it is just in line with the rest of the university.
Not sure why the WCBB community does not believe these student handbook and university rules exist and matter. Pepperdine is not the only school where this is the case, including at least two schools with much more prominent WCBB profiles. |
I think it will be interesting in the coming years to see if those kinds of rules will stand under threat of the removal of federal funding.
I also think a private university has every right to have its own rules and regulations. It's not a public business like a restaurant, say, and though I could be mistaken, I think it's legal for a business to restrict its customer base if it so desires. (I'm not so sure about employees, though ...) |
For private businesses, it depends on whether you're a public accommodation under the federal Civil Rights Act. A lunch counter or a hotel can't say it won't take blacks or Jews or women, for instance. In some places, similar rules apply for gays, but there's unfortunately no national law on that point right now. As you identify, the key law for most schools is the law that governs federal funding, which today does not cover discrimination against non-heterosexuals.
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pilight
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Posted: 12/15/14 10:50 am ::: |
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beknighted wrote: |
(And I imagine that at least in some cases, the coaches actually tell recruits not to worry about the policies so long as they're discreet.) |
That's essentially what Kim Mulkey told Brittney Griner about Baylor
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Scarab
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PUmatty
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Posted: 12/16/14 11:30 am ::: |
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beknighted wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
PUmatty wrote: |
Pepperdine states, in their student handbook, that gay students face discipline from the university, including expulsion. If the basketball team doesn't allow lesbians, it is just in line with the rest of the university.
Not sure why the WCBB community does not believe these student handbook and university rules exist and matter. Pepperdine is not the only school where this is the case, including at least two schools with much more prominent WCBB profiles. |
I think it will be interesting in the coming years to see if those kinds of rules will stand under threat of the removal of federal funding.
I also think a private university has every right to have its own rules and regulations. It's not a public business like a restaurant, say, and though I could be mistaken, I think it's legal for a business to restrict its customer base if it so desires. (I'm not so sure about employees, though ...) |
For private businesses, it depends on whether you're a public accommodation under the federal Civil Rights Act. A lunch counter or a hotel can't say it won't take blacks or Jews or women, for instance. In some places, similar rules apply for gays, but there's unfortunately no national law on that point right now. As you identify, the key law for most schools is the law that governs federal funding, which today does not cover discrimination against non-heterosexuals. |
There is a nondiscrimination law in California, but Pepperdine and other religious colleges operate as religious non-profits. Those are typically not covered in the same was as businesses.
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