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[quote="ArtBest23"]When are ballots due? I expect most votes were already in and this may not be reflected until next week.[quote]
Good question that raises more questions.
Does anyone know how the voting is actually done? In the past, I'd say that it was by phone, but now I'd think it was done online. That would be the easiest and quickest to tally I'd think.
So then the question is, when does voting open? Seems like it would be obvious to not open voting until after all games are played. I don't see how that would be so hard to do.
I guess what I'm thinking 'if-I-were-in-charge' of running the poll, it would be online, and wouldn't open until after the last game on Monday was over and you'd have until 9:00 am on Tuesday to vote.
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| Posted: 11/18/14 10:08 am ::: |
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| OK! Out of all those teams mentioned which one has the most impressive win to date. Most preseason are somewhat arbitrary right. So when do the rankings start to reflect actual wins? Mostly everyone's preseason pick was Uconn and most believed they were in a class by themselves and might even finish undefeated. So because Stanford beats them does that mean that Uconn was over rated or was Stanford underrated? The same could hold true for every other team ranked highly in the polls. The only logical solution is to actually start going by strength of wins and that should put the Stanford in the lead presently. If that will actually happen is another story but to me that seems to be the most logical. |
No one is going to do that after one or two games. If they did Monday's AP polls would have to have read:
1. Texas A&M
2. Washington St.
3. James Madison
4. UNC
5. Gonzaga
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because those five were the only teams with wins over ranked opponents.
Would you really believe that would have been the correct ranking?
The subjectivity of the polls may cause lots of hair pulling, and plainly is full of human biases, but your solution is also plainly not the right answer.
Even supposedly totally objective and formulaic computer polls use last year's data for the first month or more of the season because you can't accept as meaningful the absurd results or volatility that utilizing a totally inadequate data sample would produce.
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| Posted: 11/18/14 10:18 am ::: |
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[quote="Ex-Ref"][quote="ArtBest23"]When are ballots due? I expect most votes were already in and this may not be reflected until next week.
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Good question that raises more questions.
Does anyone know how the voting is actually done? In the past, I'd say that it was by phone, but now I'd think it was done online. That would be the easiest and quickest to tally I'd think.
So then the question is, when does voting open? Seems like it would be obvious to not open voting until after all games are played. I don't see how that would be so hard to do.
I guess what I'm thinking 'if-I-were-in-charge' of running the poll, it would be online, and wouldn't open until after the last game on Monday was over and you'd have until 9:00 am on Tuesday to vote. |
If you provide voters an inadequate window of time, then you can't expect them to do an adequate job. What one would like is for voters to actually consider what the top 40 or so teams did during the past week, and how they looked doing it, together with their season to date, and then create an actual order of perceived strength. That's not a 2 minute job. Your approach assures a nothing but a little fiddling with the previous poll approach resulting in the idiotic "move up in lockstep when a team above loses and otherwise never recognize what is actually happening in games" approach that we already see too much of. It should entail more thinking than simply deciding where to put the team that lost and moving everyone else to make room.
Getting it perfect in the first 12 hours would be important if these polls mattered for anything other than fan interest. But they don't, so waiting a week to reflect late Monday results and getting it more accurate is to me probably a more desirable outcome.
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| Posted: 11/18/14 10:19 am ::: |
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I'd definitely say Stanford deserves to be ahead of UConn. They played really well and have also beat Baylor. Of course I'd love to see UT be up there, but they haven't played anyone of stature yet; however, they've played without some of their best and won handily, with a heretofore unheralded bench player as their top scorer. Haven't seen ND or SC yet, but on the basis of chatter, it sounds like maybe it ought to be something like:
1.Stanford
2.ND
3.UConn
4.UT
5.SC
But....it's way too early for polls to mean anything.
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| Posted: 11/18/14 11:38 am ::: |
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| My guess is the poll will have it USCe, ND, Stan, CT, Tenn.
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| Posted: 11/18/14 12:17 pm ::: |
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I was thinking even though they haven't played any real competition at least both Tenn and Notre Dame won convincingly against poodunks so I'm thinking maybe
1. ND
2. Tenn
3. UConn
4. Stanford
5. South Carolina
and I'm sure that will change over the season. As soon as everybody has one loss, UConn will be #1 again, and probably deservedly so. |
The preseason standings are fairly random (other than giving the defending champs #1), so why penalize Stanford for being rated #6. Why not honor the head-to-head this early in the season and put Stanford ahead of UConn? |
I agree. I think Stanford, a final 4 team was "down" at #6 mainly due to the loss of Ogwumike. They showed they filled that hole well, so the 6 was too far down. They won, and it wasn't a freakish managed_to_hit_a-bunch_of-threes win, it was a head to head battle, and the Cardinal won. They should be number one, and the question is how far UConn should drop. And if you think Stanford does deserve to be number one, then losing in OT at their place means you should only drop to #2.
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| Posted: 11/18/14 12:19 pm ::: |
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| cthskzfn wrote: |
| My guess is the poll will have it USCe, ND, Stan, CT, Tenn. |
That looks about right, though Stanford could jump to #2 or even #1.
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| Posted: 11/18/14 1:22 pm ::: |
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Some people would vote for UConn regardless of who beat them.That's just how it is.
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| Posted: 11/18/14 1:26 pm ::: |
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wow. shocking. grats to Stanford. now work hard and keep it.
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| Posted: 11/18/14 1:39 pm ::: |
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| I'm looking at which teams are likely at peak performance NOW vs which teams are going to get a whole lot better in the next two months. Balanced scoring and a ready bench are key. Teams with only one or two "stars" are easier to shut down with good team defense than teams with the ability to go to a variety of players to score. I was very impressed with Stanford's depth and bench points.
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| Posted: 11/18/14 1:55 pm ::: |
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| summertime blues wrote: |
Some people would vote for UConn regardless of who beat them.That's just how it is. |
UConn is still the #1 team in the country to me. If Stanford is clearly better than UConn, then they should've easily beaten them at Maples, and not require overtime. At the very worst, UConn should be #2 behind Notre Dame.
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| Posted: 11/18/14 2:12 pm ::: |
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| BTW, when was the last time (if ever) that 4 teams got first place votes in the Coaches' Poll?
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| Posted: 11/18/14 2:20 pm ::: |
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| BTW, when was the last time (if ever) that 4 teams got first place votes in the Coaches' Poll? |
(Correction from my previous response)
Week 11 of the 2012-13 season:
1 Baylor (25) 14-1 767
2 Connecticut (3) 14-1 731
3 Notre Dame (1) 14-1 722
4 Duke (2) 15-0 686
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| Posted: 11/18/14 2:35 pm ::: |
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| Well, I'm surprised, as much by Notre Dame jumping South Carolina as by Stanford going to #1, although #6 to #1 is a very big jump. I will be interested to see what happens next week, and also to see how the AP voters, who tend to pay more attention in general, handle this.
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| Posted: 11/18/14 5:05 pm ::: |
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I'm happy with the top 4. I'd rework the rest like this.
5. Duke
6. Tennessee
7. Maryland
8. Kentucky
9. TAMU
10. Louisville
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