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The way I'm reading these two articles, and with my fragmented memory of BU's big players, it sounds like she'll have your back as long as she thinks you're capable- but as soon as you falter, she'll kick you while you're down and kick you to the curb.
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| Posted: 03/09/14 5:20 pm ::: |
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Hoopscoop reporting major opening coming up in Big 12...put 2+2 with the expiring contracts and got 4.
Patterson appears out but NOT confirmed.
EDIT: Looks Official
Brenda VanLengen @BrendaVanLengen 50s
Shocked to see the release that Deb Patterson was "relieved of her duties" at @kstatewbb #Big12WBB
Michelle Voepel must be out backflipping the Cheerleaders right now
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| Posted: 03/09/14 5:24 pm ::: |
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| Happycappie25 wrote: |
Hoopscoop reporting major opening coming up in Big 12...put 2+2 with the expiring contracts and got 4.
Patterson appears out but NOT confirmed. |
Wow, would be warranted but shocking. I could see them pursuing Collen.
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| Posted: 03/09/14 7:32 pm ::: |
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| What all this points to is that being a successful major coach is rare, there are few individuals who can do it, and no prior experience or "pedigree" can ensure it. There is also a great deal of luck involved. |
It is the nature of the situation that at any point in time, only a minority of coaches can be considered successful. It is also in the best interest of the top high school players to make only a small amount of coaches very successful. They want to pool their talent with other top players at a single school (under a single coach) so they have a better chance of winning a championship. Which is why year after year the top players reveal the same small number of schools on their list of those they are considering, with maybe some local college of their state being the lone deviation from list to list. And it trickles down, if you aren't good enough to get UConn, Tenn, Standford, Duke etc., then you make a list of the best schools that will have you.
It's never a level playing field for the coaches. At one point in time, one school/coach is on the list made by US National Team players, and another school/coach is on the list made by players who were honorable mention in their local high school conference post-season awards.
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Another issue is that there just aren't that many quality players. There is a much deeper talent pool in men's basketball than in women's so a program like Wichita State can go 34-0 even without the top-shelf recruits.
And that's the key word: recruits. Coaching in women's college basketball is pretty much all about recruiting, though outliers like Scott Rueck of Oregon State can have nice seasons. Still, USC has four McDonald's all-Americans, and it's not easy to overcome a talent advantage in big games.
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| Posted: 03/10/14 9:51 am ::: |
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| Meanwhile Duke constantly get better recruits than Notre Dame, but Notre Dame consistently beats them. So, it's also about coaching and player development ...
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| Posted: 03/10/14 9:52 am ::: |
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| Another issue is that there just aren't that many quality players. There is a much deeper talent pool in men's basketball than in women's so a program like Wichita State can go 34-0 even without the top-shelf recruits. |
While there is no denying the depth of talent in men's vs women's basketball recruits, I do feel that the depth is slowly increasing in WBB. What really helps teams like Wichita State are the number of guys that leave the top programs to move onto the NBA. Teams like Wichita State generally have pretty good talent, depth and upperclassmen that they have developed into a very good team. The "one and done" phenomenon doesn't happen in WBB...if it did, it would be interesting to see what would end up happening.
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| Posted: 03/10/14 10:23 am ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
| Another issue is that there just aren't that many quality players. There is a much deeper talent pool in men's basketball than in women's so a program like Wichita State can go 34-0 even without the top-shelf recruits. |
While there is no denying the depth of talent in men's vs women's basketball recruits, I do feel that the depth is slowly increasing in WBB. What really helps teams like Wichita State are the number of guys that leave the top programs to move onto the NBA. Teams like Wichita State generally have pretty good talent, depth and upperclassmen that they have developed into a very good team. The "one and done" phenomenon doesn't happen in WBB...if it did, it would be interesting to see what would end up happening. |
Exactly. There is a talent differential between men's and women's, but length of career is the biggest factor in creating the kinds of women's dynasties you don't see in the men's side. Who would be top teams this season with players like Stewart Dolson, KML, Hartley, Ogwumike, Lloyd, Williams, Sims, Shimmel, etc., etc., all out of college?
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| Posted: 03/10/14 2:08 pm ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
| Another issue is that there just aren't that many quality players. There is a much deeper talent pool in men's basketball than in women's so a program like Wichita State can go 34-0 even without the top-shelf recruits. |
While there is no denying the depth of talent in men's vs women's basketball recruits, I do feel that the depth is slowly increasing in WBB. What really helps teams like Wichita State are the number of guys that leave the top programs to move onto the NBA. Teams like Wichita State generally have pretty good talent, depth and upperclassmen that they have developed into a very good team. The "one and done" phenomenon doesn't happen in WBB...if it did, it would be interesting to see what would end up happening. |
Exactly. There is a talent differential between men's and women's, but length of career is the biggest factor in creating the kinds of women's dynasties you don't see in the men's side. Who would be top teams this season with players like Stewart Dolson, KML, Hartley, Ogwumike, Lloyd, Williams, Sims, Shimmel, etc., etc., all out of college? |
The best team would probably be like North Carolina is this year.
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| Posted: 03/10/14 2:36 pm ::: |
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Good point about the one and one ...
As for Notre Dame and Duke's talent levels, I think Duke may get higher-rated talent by people like me, but it may be that ND is actually getting better players.
Then again, I'm not off-the-top-of-my-head confident that Duke does recruit more higher rated players than Notre Dame. Both of them do pretty well in that regard ...
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| Posted: 03/10/14 6:01 pm ::: |
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Go year-by-year on ESPN HoopGurlz, and you will see that Duke is nearly always rated above Notre Dame. In any event, returning back to the topic of the thread:
What's going on at Texas Tech and UCSB? I know those coaches are relatively new there, but talk about some seriously bad results for these programs!
And, how did Barefoot at ODU get a recent 5 year extension? That program surely has fallen.
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| Posted: 03/11/14 1:44 pm ::: |
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Go year-by-year on ESPN HoopGurlz, and you will see that Duke is nearly always rated above Notre Dame. In any event, returning back to the topic of the thread:
What's going on at Texas Tech and UCSB? I know those coaches are relatively new there, but talk about some seriously bad results for these programs!
And, how did Barefoot at ODU get a recent 5 year extension? That program surely has fallen. |
In a somewhat similar vein to ODU, TSpoon is very quickly trending in the wrong direction at LaTech. I am sure she makes it through this year, but hers is a seat that should be awfully warm next year.
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| Posted: 03/11/14 1:47 pm ::: |
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| In a somewhat similar vein to ODU, TSpoon is very quickly trending in the wrong direction at LaTech. I am sure she makes it through this year, but hers is a seat that should be awfully warm next year. |
Yeah, 14th in a pretty weak C-USA is poor.
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| Posted: 03/11/14 1:59 pm ::: |
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| In a somewhat similar vein to ODU, TSpoon is very quickly trending in the wrong direction at LaTech. I am sure she makes it through this year, but hers is a seat that should be awfully warm next year. |
Yeah, 14th in a pretty weak C-USA is poor. |
Very poor.
LaTech will obviously never been what they once were, but there is no reason they can't aspire to be similar to a MTSU or Gonzaga type.
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| Posted: 03/12/14 6:57 am ::: |
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YES it's a blog, YES it's opinion, YES it solicited some rather unsavory sexist comments at the bottom of the screen (I know I know 4th commandment of the Interwebs, thou shalt not read the comments)
But thanks Youth Coach for posting that, Obviously this person feels that the college world has gotten too soft (men and women) since Mike Rice and there is some merit to that. The holy cross situiation is a prime example of this.
It's not NEWS, it's opinion, But it's an opinion that has merit...there are 4 sides to every story...Complainers, Defenders, What the Media WANTS you to believe and the truth. We see 1 and 3...let's try to find 2 and 4.
off the beaten path but a welcome post, Youth Coach
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| Posted: 03/12/14 2:51 pm ::: |
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...wow, great "source"...thanks for sharing. |
Sarcasm notwithstanding, I did say it was another take. I presented the link with no further comment as to the level of agreement I did or did not have with it.
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| Posted: 03/15/14 11:29 pm ::: |
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| Looks like I Wasn't a year early on Louisiana Tech after all. Spoon is out.
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| Posted: 03/16/14 11:56 am ::: |
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| Looks like I Wasn't a year early on Louisiana Tech after all. Spoon is out. |
Her contract ran out this year, too easy and i think right move, I think Spoon is better fit for the W, she won when she had talent, but didn't recruit
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