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harlem_basketball
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| Love would be fine from a basketball standpoint and recruiting wouldn't be a problem at all (she coaches elite girls and knows that world just as well). It'd also generate interest in the area. The problem with Love is will Seton Hall provide the support the program would need from an administrative standpoint given her inexperience at the college level? Her focus is going to be practice and games but we all know there's so much more to managing a program than that, especially in a major conference in a situation that needs to be built almost from scratch. Plus I actually think she'd be a better candidate for the men's job. |
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| Posted: 03/18/10 6:36 pm ::: |
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| Love would be fine from a basketball standpoint and recruiting wouldn't be a problem at all (she coaches elite girls and knows that world just as well). It'd also generate interest in the area. The problem with Love is will Seton Hall provide the support the program would need from an administrative standpoint given her inexperience at the college level? Her focus is going to be practice and games but we all know there's so much more to managing a program than that, especially in a major conference in a situation that needs to be built almost from scratch. Plus I actually think she'd be a better candidate for the men's job. |
Like that would happen...The men collapased with one player punching an opponent in the nuts another getting charged with taking hostages in an armed robbery and gonzo finally getting the ax over it along with a little thing called 7 Ts in a season. They're going big, rumor is Siena's McCaffrey.
I DO get what you're getting at but that kind of expirment would more likely take place at a lower Mid Major like an NEC school.
Like St. Johns 10 years ago I think support has gotten so low that the administration will be pressured to build quickly...it worked with KBA in the short run, then she went too national and had issues keeping recruits but she found the NY handle and now has this team running well and back in the tourney.
From reading the SHU boards it sounds like Lovelace is the hot choice, so likely they will take her, I have a feeling SHU will act much faster in the women's department so they can dedicate all their energies to replacing gonzo. I do NOT think they will just promote an assistant, I think after Geno's comments they cannot afford NOT building the program higher.
Given that Lovelace was a player from Phyllis' salad days may help her chances.
I still Say they should look into Bozella at Iona or if they wanna go bigger the rumor is Belmont's coach quit to jump. The 500 wins would at least LOOK like they gave a damn (Like Providence did with the 3rd Yow sister and before that Jim Jabir)
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| Posted: 03/18/10 6:52 pm ::: |
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| Love would be fine from a basketball standpoint and recruiting wouldn't be a problem at all (she coaches elite girls and knows that world just as well). It'd also generate interest in the area. The problem with Love is will Seton Hall provide the support the program would need from an administrative standpoint given her inexperience at the college level? Her focus is going to be practice and games but we all know there's so much more to managing a program than that, especially in a major conference in a situation that needs to be built almost from scratch. Plus I actually think she'd be a better candidate for the men's job. |
Do you think she would take her top assistant with her (cannot remember his name right now, but he was featured in the ESPN documentary)?
I think Seton Hall needs to give her a very, very experienced Director of Basketball Operations to take care of the other parts of managing the program. But will the school spend the money?
What are the chances she gets considered for at least an assistant's job at Seton Hall on the men's side?
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| Posted: 03/18/10 7:21 pm ::: |
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| I DO get what you're getting at but that kind of expirment would more likely take place at a lower Mid Major like an NEC school. |
I simply said I felt she'd be a better pick for the men - never said Seton Hall would take that chance or even consider it. I know Gonzo personally. Seton Hall knew exactly what they were getting when they hired him which is why no one's buying this morality play they're trying to make. Best believe if another coach with Gonzo's character flaws were to sell them on being able to win 20 games a year, they'd hire him too. It takes people 4 minutes to realize Gonzo has no moral compass, not 4 years. If men's college basketball were about morality and developing men instead of money and winning, John Calipari would be selling insurance in Jersey instead of coaching 18 year olds and Norm Roberts would have his pick of jobs in any conference.
Seton Hall will name a new coach for the men's program within the next week and obviously it won't be Lovelace.
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Do you think she would take her top assistant with her (cannot remember his name right now, but he was featured in the ESPN documentary)?
I think Seton Hall needs to give her a very, very experienced Director of Basketball Operations to take care of the other parts of managing the program. But will the school spend the money?
What are the chances she gets considered for at least an assistant's job at Seton Hall on the men's side? |
Love's name has been thrown around as a men's assistant at top D1 schools for the last couple of years if only for her recruiting ability. If Tiny Morton at Lincoln wasn't such a crook he'd have had an assistant's position a long time ago. Love is viewed as someone almost as connected with less blood on her hands. I think it'd depend on the head coach.
I don't think Elmer would leave with her to coach women. I think he'd stay at Boys High. Love herself will have a really, really difficult time leaving although it may be easier going out with a championship. But I'd have to see it to believe it. I also don't think Seton Hall wants to spend money (especially having to now pay Gonzo to go away and hire a worthwhile men's coach) and apparently neither do half the people on their wish list according to the grapevine. |
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| Posted: 03/19/10 12:48 pm ::: |
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| Harlem, if Lovelace were to take a men's job, which one would be better for her - St. John's or Seton Hall?
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| Posted: 03/19/10 1:43 pm ::: |
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| Harlem, if Lovelace were to take a men's job, which one would be better for her - St. John's or Seton Hall? |
Neither one of those trainwrecks. If you held a gun to my head I'd say St. John's but anyone without experience at a major D1 school (and I mean Big East or Big 12 major) would have to be absolutely insane to take the job and the person hiring them would have to be on crack, dust and heroin. Those jobs are death traps unless your name is Pitino, Calipari, Self, etc. |
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| Posted: 03/22/10 2:19 pm ::: |
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Mel Greenberg just said in a chat with the Hartford Courant that:
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| Posted: 03/22/10 2:54 pm ::: |
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Mel Greenberg just said in a chat with the Hartford Courant that:
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| It looks like Patty Coyle is the front runner for the Seton Hall job. |
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Yay, a retread. 
Why don't they look at someone like Jen Rizotti or Brian Giorgis? Or do they not care enough about WBB? |
Yeah, I think that about sums it up. Seriously, Seton Hall's administration is good for lip service and that's about it especially in a year where they have to hire a men's coach (while paying off the fired one). But hey, at least the Hall will have first dibs on that Marvadene Anderson, that 6'10" kid at Rutgers Prep!  |
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| Posted: 03/22/10 3:30 pm ::: |
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| I think Seton Hall's options will be limited by how much the administration is willing to pay. Anything less than $200,000 and they're not getting anyone with much credibility or background; $400,000 or more will get them some serious candidates.
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| Posted: 03/22/10 3:40 pm ::: |
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| Posted: 03/22/10 5:54 pm ::: |
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It fits the the profile though. A big name HS recruit in the pocket and the ability to coattail after that both before and after their arrival...sound like anyone we remember...perhaps a Mr Amaker.
Of course I don't think Anderson is the kind to get blindsided by a train while drunk and wacking off to porn...but It makes sense given Coyle's anti recruiting that she's coming along with Pat.
Still would go Bozella or Lovelace first...But this is NOT a bad choice...Her BBall IQ is lacking ask any lib fan, but she won't rock too many boats and if she delivers on Anderson she'll have Rutgers on MAJOR ropes which they ALWAYS love...I'd give it a B given what they're willing to pay, and don't forget like her or not she got some suspect Lib teams into the conference finals...you can't take it away from her.
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| Posted: 03/24/10 4:52 pm ::: |
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Coyle would be an interesting choice, no doubt.
And I can see Seton Hall assuming that she would bring Anderson with her, although (a) right now Anderson is just very tall, not a great basketball player; and (b) you can imagine her crossing everyone up and going someplace nobody is thinking about now.
The other issue, of course, is who she could get after that.
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| Posted: 03/24/10 4:57 pm ::: |
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| It will be interesting to see who Patty brings in to fill out her staff because - how can I say this nicely - I don't really see her doing the recruiting/personality thing that adequately with teenagers. Don't get me wrong, one-on-one with adults she's very personable. But I can't see her selling a program vs. other BEast coaches or nationally. |
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| It will be interesting to see who Patty brings in to fill out her staff because - how can I say this nicely - I don't really see her doing the recruiting/personality thing that adequately with teenagers. Don't get me wrong, one-on-one with adults she's very personable. But I can't see her selling a program vs. other BEast coaches or nationally. |
What about the whole "wow, that woman used to coach the Liberty in the WNBA." Remember, a lot of young kids and their families aren't all that familiar with the league but Patty's credentials should help her in recruiting, no? At least getting into the living rooms of more top kids?
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| Posted: 03/24/10 5:13 pm ::: |
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| It will be interesting to see who Patty brings in to fill out her staff because - how can I say this nicely - I don't really see her doing the recruiting/personality thing that adequately with teenagers. Don't get me wrong, one-on-one with adults she's very personable. But I can't see her selling a program vs. other BEast coaches or nationally. |
What about the whole "wow, that woman used to coach the Liberty in the WNBA." Remember, a lot of young kids and their families aren't all that familiar with the league but Patty's credentials should help her in recruiting, no? At least getting into the living rooms of more top kids? |
I think the fact that they'd most likely have to be told she coached the Liberty would negate that. |
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Well, it looks like Mel was wrong:
The Bergen Record says it's Anne Donovan.
At least the part about someone associated with the Liberty was right.
A really big coaching hire
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| Posted: 03/29/10 9:08 pm ::: |
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Well, it looks like Mel was wrong:
The Bergen Record says it's Anne Donovan.
At least the part about someone associated with the Liberty was right.
A really big coaching hire |
I missed this yesterday but just saw them mention it at halftime of the XU-Stanford game. This hire kind of surprised me.
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