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| Posted: 03/15/10 8:20 pm ::: |
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She's apparently been kicked upstairs.
So, anybody know of an assistant who's willing to take too little money to coach an undersupported program? (Oh, and good luck keeping the two decent recruits that Mangina signed this year.)
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| Posted: 03/15/10 10:28 pm ::: |
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| HC25, will any of those people take what Seton Hall would be willing to pay? (And I like the Sue Wicks idea, but I think an out female head coach would be a tough sell at a Catholic school.) I have to say having Mangina staying in the program signals to me that they're not changing their ways.
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| Posted: 03/16/10 7:09 am ::: |
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Given that at Sue's at SFNY (A catholic school) as an assistant i'm sure it still would be an upgrade. Bozella would likely be a match in pay given that it is MAAC to Big East...you are correct about Jeff House and others.
I did reread that, it was undetermined position within the program which is codespeak for hiding in a corner somewhere.
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| Posted: 03/16/10 7:32 am ::: |
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| Jeff House is temporarily out of coaching for family reasons. Unless something changes on that front, I doubt he'll be throwing his hat into the ring, even though I agree he'd be a good candidate for SH.
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| Posted: 03/16/10 8:28 am ::: |
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You'd have to be out of your mind if you were a promising assistant to take this job.
No support, no indication there ever will be support, and playing in the Big East?
Adds up to no success and no future.
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| Posted: 03/16/10 9:19 am ::: |
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| I wonder what masochists are going to submit their resumes. |
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| Posted: 03/16/10 6:11 pm ::: |
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| Jeff House is temporarily out of coaching for family reasons. Unless something changes on that front, I doubt he'll be throwing his hat into the ring, even though I agree he'd be a good candidate for SH. |
I heard he was looking for HC and HC only and the family thing was true but he was not totally off the market...heard this more than one place.
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| Posted: 03/16/10 6:34 pm ::: |
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| harlem_basketball wrote: |
| I wonder what masochists are going to submit their resumes. |
Well, former UMass coach Marnie Dacko is now available....
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| Posted: 03/16/10 6:55 pm ::: |
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| Ive said it on article comments...the fact stringer is getting pissed at a loser who gave up on her team like Mangina leaving makes me worried about Stringer...are you kidding...well techincally you didn't play SHU this year (You were suspended) but did you not SEE how bad they were. I'm sure Geno's comments were the last straw.
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I know almost nothing about Seton Hall, so here are some dumb questions ...
1) Is high school girls' basketball at all important? Do girls play volleyball or softball or field hockey instead? Are there any strong club teams? In other words, what's the level of interest in the high school game in the area?
2) Have the Seton Hall women ever drawn consistent crowds?
3) Have the Seton Hall women ever had three years in a row of 20-win seasons? 17-win seasons?
If I were the AD, what I'd want to determine before I invested in a coach would be the potential of the program. If Seton Hall spent $400,000 a year on a coach, and the coach then produced three 20-win seasons, would that result in significant fan and regional interest in years three and beyond? If the answer is yes, then spend the money; if it's clearly no, then it doesn't seem worth it.
Of course in most cases, it's really hard to tell what the potential is, so there's an element of risk in investing in women's basketball.
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| Posted: 03/17/10 12:05 pm ::: |
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I know almost nothing about Seton Hall, so here are some dumb questions ...
1) Is high school girls' basketball at all important? Do girls play volleyball or softball or field hockey instead? Are there any strong club teams? In other words, what's the level of interest in the high school game in the area? |
In Jersey? Hell in New York? I doubt half the girls in areas that Seton Hall SHOULD be recruiting in even know sports other than basketball and soccer exist and I'm being kind about soccer. Club ball is as cut throat, competitive and evil as ever. High school playoff games probably have more paid ticket sales than the Liberty and I guarantee more people know Piph played for Bergtraum than know who Shameka plays for. Not to mention, Seton Hall plays some of its games at The Rock in Newark. All those girls do out there is fight and play basketball. Hell, some do both at the same time. More importantly, most big Jersey high school games are played at The Rock. It's not like Seton Hall is in West Wherethefuck. They've got 4 states to choose from where a kid could still be considered "local" - NY, NJ, CT & PA. I'm not buying that Seton Hall can't build a program just by riding around Camden, Newark, Jersey City and Paterson alone, not to mention the accessibility of Philly and NYC.
Plus Seton Hall has a huge advantage over most local schools in that it's close enough to be home yet far enough and closed off enough to be away.
I don't see Seton Hall's situation any different than St. John's. When KBA got locals, she won. When locals started going to 'Cuse, they built a program. Even these crazy ass kids and their entourages know not everyone can get burn for UConn. Nor does everyone want to go to Rutgers. But even those 2nd tier kids aren't going to play somewhere knowing the coach can probably collect food stamps and the administration makes Jersey politicians look kind and caring. |
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| Posted: 03/17/10 1:07 pm ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
I know almost nothing about Seton Hall, so here are some dumb questions ...
1) Is high school girls' basketball at all important? Do girls play volleyball or softball or field hockey instead? Are there any strong club teams? In other words, what's the level of interest in the high school game in the area? |
In Jersey? Hell in New York? I doubt half the girls in areas that Seton Hall SHOULD be recruiting in even know sports other than basketball and soccer exist and I'm being kind about soccer. Club ball is as cut throat, competitive and evil as ever. High school playoff games probably have more paid ticket sales than the Liberty and I guarantee more people know Piph played for Bergtraum than know who Shameka plays for. Not to mention, Seton Hall plays some of its games at The Rock in Newark. All those girls do out there is fight and play basketball. Hell, some do both at the same time. More importantly, most big Jersey high school games are played at The Rock. It's not like Seton Hall is in West Wherethefuck. They've got 4 states to choose from where a kid could still be considered "local" - NY, NJ, CT & PA. I'm not buying that Seton Hall can't build a program just by riding around Camden, Newark, Jersey City and Paterson alone, not to mention the accessibility of Philly and NYC.
Plus Seton Hall has a huge advantage over most local schools in that it's close enough to be home yet far enough and closed off enough to be away.
I don't see Seton Hall's situation any different than St. John's. When KBA got locals, she won. When locals started going to 'Cuse, they built a program. Even these crazy ass kids and their entourages know not everyone can get burn for UConn. Nor does everyone want to go to Rutgers. But even those 2nd tier kids aren't going to play somewhere knowing the coach can probably collect food stamps and the administration makes Jersey politicians look kind and caring. |
Most likely the most relevant post I've ever seen on anything Seton Hall!
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| Posted: 03/17/10 5:10 pm ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
I know almost nothing about Seton Hall, so here are some dumb questions ...
3) Have the Seton Hall women ever had three years in a row of 20-win seasons? 17-win seasons?
If I were the AD, what I'd want to determine before I invested in a coach would be the potential of the program. If Seton Hall spent $400,000 a year on a coach, and the coach then produced three 20-win seasons, would that result in significant fan and regional interest in years three and beyond? If the answer is yes, then spend the money; if it's clearly no, then it doesn't seem worth it.
Of course in most cases, it's really hard to tell what the potential is, so there's an element of risk in investing in women's basketball. |
With the SUNY system, Seton Hall can go the JUCO ranks if they want to jumpstart the program.
About the 20 win seasons? Yes and no. They actually have had 4 consecutive 20 win seasons, however that was from 78-81 under Sue Dilley. In the Mangina era, 94 & 95 are the only back to back seasons over 20, while 89-91 is the only 3 season stretch of 17 wins or more.
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With the SUNY system, Seton Hall can go the JUCO ranks if they want to jumpstart the program.
About the 20 win seasons? Yes and no. They actually have had 4 consecutive 20 win seasons, however that was from 78-81 under Sue Dilley. In the Mangina era, 94 & 95 are the only back to back seasons over 20, while 89-91 is the only 3 season stretch of 17 wins or more. |
? to the first half. Not sure what the link is between a school in Jersey and the State University of New York, which, IIRC, is split between D-I and D-II.
The Hall has a tendency to start off decently and make everyone think they've got their shit together, and then drop like a stone.
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| Remind me. Is this one of those situations where signed recruits can change schools w/o the sit-out-the yr penalty, due to coaching change?
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Here's a New York Daily News article that indicates that high school coach Ruth Lovelace might be open to the idea of coaching at Seton Hall.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2010/03/17/2010-03-17_lovelace_open_to_hall.html
I don't know if it is a good idea to get a high school coach going straight to coaching at college, but I suppose you gotta start somewhere. But to my knowledge, Lovelace has no experience in recruiting or any of the other duties (other than X's and O's) coaching the college game.
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| Ive said it on article comments...the fact stringer is getting pissed at a loser who gave up on her team like Mangina leaving makes me worried about Stringer...are you kidding...well techincally you didn't play SHU this year (You were suspended) but did you not SEE how bad they were. I'm sure Geno's comments were the last straw. |
CVS said something nice about a Big East colleague. That's it. (And you'll notice she didn't say a word about the quality of the team.) I think you're overanalyzing this.
And I was surprised, too - I'd never have thought Seton Hall was willing to pull the plug, either.
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With the SUNY system, Seton Hall can go the JUCO ranks if they want to jumpstart the program.
About the 20 win seasons? Yes and no. They actually have had 4 consecutive 20 win seasons, however that was from 78-81 under Sue Dilley. In the Mangina era, 94 & 95 are the only back to back seasons over 20, while 89-91 is the only 3 season stretch of 17 wins or more. |
? to the first half. Not sure what the link is between a school in Jersey and the State University of New York, which, IIRC, is split between D-I and D-II.
The Hall has a tendency to start off decently and make everyone think they've got their shit together, and then drop like a stone. |
I was just trying to say, that there so many schools to get players from in the tri-state area.
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| If Seton Hall could get in with Exodus they would win point blank....look at Syracuse and St Johns....they've gotten the good Exodus kids (and Rutgers until recently) and won. They havnt won big but their coaches have got contract extentions.
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Here's a New York Daily News article that indicates that high school coach Ruth Lovelace might be open to the idea of coaching at Seton Hall.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2010/03/17/2010-03-17_lovelace_open_to_hall.html
I don't know if it is a good idea to get a high school coach going straight to coaching at college, but I suppose you gotta start somewhere. But to my knowledge, Lovelace has no experience in recruiting or any of the other duties (other than X's and O's) coaching the college game. |
I saw this too...note she's a HS BOYS coach so she may have more knowledge of the recruiting process from the other side.
I would put her as option 2 behind Bozella, both are SHU alumns and I do think that matters at a place like SHU.
I'd still go after a proven HC like Bozella first...but if he says no...it's a good out of the Box idea that at least would be different and with them now needing money to go after (Rumor is McCaffrey at Siena or Pecora from Hofstra) to replace the not so great Gonzo it would be a good value bet that still would get the Big East off their back.
I agree this is the same scenario as St. Johns in the early 2000s...I'm sure the Big East has their eyes on this search...they were THAT bad.
Any B&G fans out there who know more about Lovelace? As I said, it is interesting and not a bad idea. I'd go there before trying to poach assistants who may have no desire to leave.
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