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| She must sit the 1st game of the NCAA tournament.
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| Posted: 03/14/10 3:41 am ::: |
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| I would like to see Riley in a different offensive system. Clearly it's a coaching decision to have Andrea Riley hoist up three billion shots a game. Does anyone know about how she played in high school? Did she even go to high school? Is she an alien?
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| Posted: 03/14/10 6:57 am ::: |
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| I also think a lot of her bad habits have been developed because of bad coaching. Will be interesting to see how she adjusts at the next level.
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| Posted: 03/14/10 7:38 am ::: |
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| I also think a lot of her bad habits have been developed because of bad coaching. Will be interesting to see how she adjusts at the next level. |
she's a volume shooter. that can work in college, but doesn't mix well with the pros.
unfortunately, the tight rosters in the W don't have much room for players trying to "adjust" their game. hopefully she's a quick study.
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| Posted: 03/14/10 7:40 am ::: Re: Andrea Rileeeey.... |
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| Obviously, she shoots quite well |
If 36% from the floor, 30% from three is "quite well", then yeah. I would have said "quite often".
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| Posted: 03/14/10 7:51 am ::: Re: Andrea Rileeeey.... |
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| pilight wrote: |
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| Obviously, she shoots quite well |
If 36% from the floor, 30% from three is "quite well", then yeah. I would have said "quite often". |
I agree Pilight. If she shoots 30% off of only 10 shots compared to 44 shots, I wouldn't want her on my team. (well, I don't want her on my team...) I realize that she is playing 40 minutes a game, and I realize that it's a coaching style, but that walking the ball up the floor... it started to drive me crazy. I get that it was giving her a break, but it was also giving All of OU a break as well. She won't be able to take her breaks on the floor in the W. She has A LOT of things to adjust for in the next level....
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| Posted: 03/14/10 9:53 am ::: |
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Riley has been "chilling out" like that all 4 years at OSU. Her team play is much better this year than in years past.
I think her dad was her coach prior to college most, I think he was her AAU coach.
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| Posted: 03/14/10 10:22 am ::: Re: Andrea Rileeeey.... |
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| pilight wrote: |
| Howee wrote: |
| Obviously, she shoots quite well |
If 36% from the floor, 30% from three is "quite well", then yeah. I would have said "quite often". |
I agree Pilight. If she shoots 30% off of only 10 shots compared to 44 shots, I wouldn't want her on my team. (well, I don't want her on my team...) I realize that she is playing 40 minutes a game, and I realize that it's a coaching style, but that walking the ball up the floor... it started to drive me crazy. I get that it was giving her a break, but it was also giving All of OU a break as well. She won't be able to take her breaks on the floor in the W. She has A LOT of things to adjust for in the next level.... |
I agree with everything that has been said. Something that might be in her favor is that she shoots 80% from the line. I know the 9 ft attempts per game is inflated because of the amount of shots she takes, but if she is willing to drive the lane and draw fouls, she can be a huge asset, not just as a 3 pt specialist.
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| Posted: 03/14/10 10:26 am ::: Re: Andrea Rileeeey.... |
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| I agree with everything that has been said. Something that might be in her favor is that she shoots 80% from the line. I know the 9 ft attempts per game is inflated because of the amount of shots she takes, but if she is willing to drive the lane and draw fouls, she can be a huge asset, not just as a 3 pt specialist. |
She'll never make it as a three point specialist. She can't shoot threes well enough for that to work.
I'm skeptical that she'll be able to get to the hoop or the line against WNBA level defenders.
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| Posted: 03/14/10 11:40 am ::: Re: Andrea Rileeeey.... |
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| pilight wrote: |
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| Obviously, she shoots quite well |
If 36% from the floor, 30% from three is "quite well", then yeah. I would have said "quite often". |
Very true. I was (mistakenly) not looking at percentages. I also agree that her 'slashing' maneuvers will not fly in the WNBA. ANDDD...her defense ain't gonna fly there, either.
As for her walking the ball up the floor, I realized that it fits their offense to a T. Think about it... if their offense is simply Riley taking the shots, then why risk turnovers with needless ballhandling/passing in the thick of defense? Run down the clock and shoot. It'll be interesting to see what Budke can do without her next season.
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| Posted: 03/14/10 3:02 pm ::: |
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With how horrible their offense is though, I'm not quite sure you can blame her poor percentage all on her. From what I've seen of them the last few years, their offense is for her to walk the ball up the floor and then at some point get a screen and take a shot. Maybe if they had real offensive sets, things wouldn't be so predictable, things wouldn't be so hard for her, and she shoots better percentages or whatever.
I sometimes think some people put too much stock into shooting percentages. Just because your percentage is great doesn't always mean your a great shooter and just because its not the greatest doesn't mean your not a great shooter. An interesting stat would be, what's her percentage in big shots when her team needs her to make them.
IMO if Shannon Bobbitt is still in this league, Riley has a shot.
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| Posted: 03/14/10 3:08 pm ::: |
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| IMO if Shannon Bobbitt is still in this league, Riley has a shot. |
Bobbitt's shooting numbers in college were substantially better than Riley's, and she helped her team to two national championships.
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| Posted: 03/14/10 3:24 pm ::: |
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| Riley doesn't have Candace Parker, Nikki Anosike, and Alexis Hornbuckle by her side either....she doesn't have Pat as a coach either. Switch their positions, as in give Riley that supporting cast and put Bobbitt on OSU and I'm pretty sure its a different story.
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| Posted: 03/14/10 3:46 pm ::: |
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| Pat's head would explode if she had Riley chucking up shot after shot, not making any effort when the ball is not in her hands, and sauntering back on defense. Riley would have kept the end of the bench quite warm.
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| Posted: 03/14/10 4:39 pm ::: |
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| Pat's head would explode if she had Riley chucking up shot after shot, not making any effort when the ball is not in her hands, and sauntering back on defense. Riley would have kept the end of the bench quite warm. |
Do people not read at all these days? I said, yes that's all apart of her game but I believe it may be more of the poor coaching and the horrible system they have there other than it just being the way Riley truly is. I don't know, I haven't watched her before her OSU days but to me, it looks like just very bad coaching.
Your right, Pat would never accept that and its hard to believe any coach would just accept that unless it was by design. She takes so many shots because that's their offense, Riley walk it up slowly...get a pick, throw a shot. She slacks off defensively a little bit because she is her team's offense...sorry she can't be superwoman.
At the next level, hopefully we'll see what kind of player Riley truly is. She'll have more offensive talent around her, so will she still be just a chucker that shoots a low percentage from the field? She'll be around better defenders and her offensive role won't be as big, will she continue to slack defensively? I don't know, we'll see.
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| Posted: 03/14/10 7:50 pm ::: |
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| Pat's head would explode if she had Riley chucking up shot after shot, not making any effort when the ball is not in her hands, and sauntering back on defense. Riley would have kept the end of the bench quite warm. |
LOLOL@ Indee! Now, THAT was my Funny Visual for the MONTH!!
Sorry DTP, but I can't buy the Poor Coaching thing totally. I mean, after four years of collegiate level ball in a primo conference, any player worth their salt realizes they've got to assert themselves away from the ball, too, even if their coach won't challenge them that way. And I can't believe Budke would have told her to play Shoot 'n Rest ball. I seriously doubt she's gonna make a roster, but I'd be glad to be wrong...the girl IS entertaining!  |
I'm with you Howee, I can't imagine a single coach that would say, "Here's the plan, after you pass, stand by the halfcourt line. Don't worry about defense. Fool Proof"
I can't imagine that Budke used that strategy at his Community Colleges, and I'm SURE he didn't use it in his stint at LaTech.
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| Posted: 03/14/10 9:29 pm ::: |
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| Then why does he accept it?
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| Posted: 03/14/10 10:33 pm ::: |
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| I'm with you Howee, I can't imagine a single coach that would say, "Here's the plan, after you pass, stand by the halfcourt line. Don't worry about defense. Fool Proof" |
It's not quite that bad, but Taurasi's defensive position for the Mercury always has seemed to me to be "wherever you won't commit too many fouls," rather than actually guarding anyone. I'm pretty confident she played more defense at UConn than she does in the W.
(This is where you say, "But Riley isn't Taurasi." And I agree. She won't be able to get away with that.)
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| Posted: 03/15/10 3:14 am ::: |
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| I would like to see Riley in a different offensive system. Clearly it's a coaching decision to have Andrea Riley hoist up three billion shots a game. Does anyone know about how she played in high school? Did she even go to high school? Is she an alien? |
Riley Played at Dallas Lincoln high school and was the best player in the area hands down. She didnt have the shooting ability she does now might i add. She was strictly the girl on lincoln who would cross you over and get to the basket and finish at will ! I believe she will make a roster in the W ! WTF with offensive talent like that why wouldnt she ? If Kelsey Griffin can make a roster so can riley ! Without question especially if she is drafted by Tulsa. Give the girl a break gosh, she doesnt really have any help on OSU besides Tegan Cunningham who only shows up SOMETIMES to play! Riley is only doing what coach Butke directs her to do. Which is shoot till her arm falls off as he stated in there win over ISU !
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| Posted: 03/15/10 10:12 am ::: |
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| IMO if Shannon Bobbitt is still in this league, Riley has a shot. |
Bobbitt's shooting numbers in college were substantially better than Riley's, and she helped her team to two national championships. |
Plus Parker is probably influential in keeping Bobbitt around, unless you believe politics don't exist in the WNBA.
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| Posted: 03/15/10 3:12 pm ::: |
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| Then why does he accept it? |
Exactly. Just because he doesn't say go do those things, seems there is definitely an acceptance of them... for whatever reason(s).
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| Posted: 03/15/10 3:20 pm ::: |
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| I don't see why people are already writing off Riley despite her being identified as one of the draft's top prospects. That suggests that she'll be drafted high enough to have a chance at competing for rotation minutes. She happens to be one of my faves, but I'd say this even if she wasn't: I've seen MUCH WORSE make a team and stay there for an entire season, and two of those players played against Riley as college players.
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