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SouthernFan
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Was there any special reason Lin Dunn elected not to put Hoffman back in?
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6 fouls... she couldnt put her back in................ it happens. |
Hoffman had 5 fouls. Dunn put her back in with about 12 seconds left in the game.
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| Posted: 10/10/09 11:16 am ::: |
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Just watched some locker room video from the PHX website (while getting overtime, no less!).
K-Ray is interviewing Coach Gaines who mentions getting a few more (Championships) and says "Penny's Coming Back" if I heard correctly (had the volume low).
That is awesome news...can anyone confirm (just after minute 27).
Congrats to PHX and IND from fans, to organizations, to sponsors, to players!
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| Posted: 10/10/09 11:48 am ::: |
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| shrrew wrote: |
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Was there any special reason Lin Dunn elected not to put Hoffman back in?
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6 fouls... she couldnt put her back in................ it happens. |
Hoffman had 5 fouls. Dunn put her back in with about 12 seconds left in the game. |
. . . which, to me, is worthless. again, i ask, what was she saving her for? the only reasonable answer would be that she was saving her for a potential ot game. she'll never get that time back. hoffman could have put them up in a significant way before fouling out (if she ever would have).
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| Posted: 10/10/09 12:16 pm ::: |
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| SouthernFan wrote: |
| shrrew wrote: |
| Queenie wrote: |
Was there any special reason Lin Dunn elected not to put Hoffman back in?
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6 fouls... she couldnt put her back in................ it happens. |
Hoffman had 5 fouls. Dunn put her back in with about 12 seconds left in the game. |
. . . which, to me, is worthless. again, i ask, what was she saving her for? the only reasonable answer would be that she was saving her for a potential ot game. she'll never get that time back. hoffman could have put them up in a significant way before fouling out (if she ever would have). |
Sambista, I agree with you on Hoffman and I'm soo HAPPY Corey kept Tan in the game!
If Tan were to foul out..so be it! Dunn showed a lack of confidence in Ebony when she saved their a**es a few times in this series!
Surprisingly,not one Fever player was crying going into the lockerroom! Now,once in the lockerroom I'm sure it hit them.
They played us very well and I was proud of them...bittersweet Finals for me!
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| Posted: 10/10/09 12:24 pm ::: |
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| mb1 wrote: |
Just watched some locker room video from the PHX website (while getting overtime, no less!).
K-Ray is interviewing Coach Gaines who mentions getting a few more (Championships) and says "Penny's Coming Back" if I heard correctly (had the volume low).
That is awesome news...can anyone confirm (just after minute 27).
Congrats to PHX and IND from fans, to organizations, to sponsors, to players! |
"It's just an incredible win for us and I hope we have many more coming because Penny's coming back and these players are going to come back and we're going to add some pieces to make us better."
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| Posted: 10/10/09 6:31 pm ::: |
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| . . . which, to me, is worthless. again, i ask, what was she saving her for? the only reasonable answer would be that she was saving her for a potential ot game. she'll never get that time back. hoffman could have put them up in a significant way before fouling out (if she ever would have). |
in the post game interview on nbatv she was asked about not putting ebony back in. her explanation was that ebony had lost her composure after that 5th foul. so extrapolating, it took her until 12 sec. left in the game to get it back?  but lets be real, ebony was not the same player from the prior games. that said, its certainly debateable that wirth did any better. although while she was in, i think she did nail a 3. |
i did think about that. but i'd have told her in immense twang that she had till the next timeout to pull herself together and get her head back in the game. then again, i'm sure dunn knows her better than i . . . maybe she knew she was lost to emotion.
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| Posted: 10/10/09 6:43 pm ::: |
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T4P this cuane.
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| Posted: 10/10/09 7:12 pm ::: |
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I was just on the Mercury website and they were asking what was the biggest factor in the team winning the final game? 42% of the people polled said Tan's three pointers. I think that swung the momentum back in the Merc favor because the Fever were coming on strong but I thought DT finally having a MVP type game was a major factor. Or Cappie being able to come back after getting hitting in the eye.
What do you guys think? You can go to the site and take the poll.
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| Posted: 10/10/09 7:16 pm ::: |
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| . . . which, to me, is worthless. again, i ask, what was she saving her for? the only reasonable answer would be that she was saving her for a potential ot game. she'll never get that time back. hoffman could have put them up in a significant way before fouling out (if she ever would have). |
in the post game interview on nbatv she was asked about not putting ebony back in. her explanation was that ebony had lost her composure after that 5th foul. so extrapolating, it took her until 12 sec. left in the game to get it back? but lets be real, ebony was not the same player from the prior games. that said, its certainly debateable that wirth did any better. although while she was in, i think she did nail a 3. |
If we're going to criticise Dunn's moves, I don't think the most obvious one was Hoffman not getting back in the game last night. Considering how effective she was whenever she got decent minutes in this series, you have to wonder why Davenport barely played in three of the games. I also thought they should've just gone to Catch at the 4 last night if Hoffman wasn't going to be put back in. Then you can insert someone like Dixon in the backcourt, who has the chance of getting hot and putting points on the board from outside, something that would've been very useful considering how atrociously Douglas was shooting. Or alternatively you can play Tully and January at the same time, giving you both the veteran presence and the scorer on the floor together. Phoenix's small lineups always give you the option of going small yourself if it might end up creating an advantage, but Indy never even tried it..
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| Posted: 10/10/09 7:48 pm ::: |
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The whole Hoffman thing is a very interesting coaching situation ...
So you've played with two posts all year long, and Tammy Sutton-Brown has been very effective in the series. Hoffman gets in foul trouble, and all of a sudden Jessica Davenport thinks she's back at Ohio State and starts making everything.
My inclination would have been to do what Dunn did: Ride Davenport as long as she kept producing, and keep TSB in the game as long as she was doing what she needed to do.
And if they go three bigs, then who guards Penny Taylor? And if you sit both Tully and January, who guards Pondexter, and who brings the ball up?
My question with Wirth was more about why Dunn didn't use Tamecka Dixon in that spot, but maybe she felt Wirth was a better defensive matchup with Taylor and/or Taurasi. And she did hit that shot, though why she wasn't beyond the line is a mystery to me.
But certainly you could argue that Hoffman should have replaced Davenport or TSB in those last few minutes, though I don't know if you would have gotten any more production.
Finally, the officiating was shaky, and favored Phoenix, but there have been some big blown calls in the MLB postseason, and 1) baseball's easier than basketball, and 2) those are better officials, if you consider salary and prestige. If they can't get it right, then why would we expect the WNBA to be any better? It's just the way things are, sadly enough ...
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| Posted: 10/11/09 7:30 am ::: |
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i don't think KT's 3 would have been so crucial had TSB hit some of her layups and had played some d on Tan. i thought she was good in stretches but missed too many open looks from 3 ft.
i would have put Hoffman in and taken TSB out.
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| Posted: 10/11/09 9:36 am ::: |
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24duzitall, on that first shot TSB ran out on Tan. Smith faked the shot and let her go by. On the second shot, Tammy probably thought that Cap wasn't going to give the ball up. Who would not have doubled on Cap? Tan was just able to hit two big shots.
Really Tammy was the one that ignited the Fever at the beginning of the game. It wasn't her fault it went south. People always on here giving her a hard time. Okay, the Mercury will give you guys Ohlde, Brooke, and Mazz for TSB. That way they can keep Le'coe. (PT, Tan, Bonner, TSB, Le'coe) I'll take it. Does Tammy have to be a starter or can she split time with Tan?
Just joking but I would really take that.
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| Posted: 10/11/09 10:01 am ::: |
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The Fever settled for jumpers instead of driving inside.
They [the coaching staff] didn't learn anything from the loss on Wednesday at home.
Oh well, May will be here soon...
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| Posted: 10/11/09 1:01 pm ::: |
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The Fever settled for jumpers instead of driving inside.
They [the coaching staff] didn't learn anything from the loss on Wednesday at home.
Oh well, May will be here soon... |
i'm not even close to being a bball analyst, but it seemed to me that while dunn was admonishing them to drive after the half, the fact is that they needed to catch up. as the much-maligned carolyn peck pointed out, you ain't gonna win when your opponent is shooting 3s and you're trading 2-point baskets. driving inside would've worked earlier in the game, but not toward the end.
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