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Ballwinner
Joined: 29 Dec 2004 Posts: 656 Location: Indianapolis
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Posted: 12/18/06 2:27 pm ::: |
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In my D3 experience, our practice players were whatever students we could find with the time and talent. It happened that the 3-4 core ones with schedules that best worked were men. We did have 2-3 women a few times but their schedules were too tight for anything long term, which is why they weren't on the team.
Please don't think this issue is just about the Pats, Genos, Brendas, Taras, or whomever your favorite DI powerhouse coach. My D3 coaches all had full-time jobs elsewhere. I played the last season where the coaches drove the team in vans to all away games. That was '01-'02. They weren't there for fame and riches.
There are no athletic scholarships in D3, and I was one of the benchwarmers that this proposal is supposed to protect. I find this discussion to be discriminatory...to the devoted young men who generously give so much to women's basketball.
Was there a case where male practice players caused an issue? I still haven't seen the other side from a student-athlete.
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PUmatty
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 16364 Location: Chicago
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Posted: 12/18/06 2:33 pm ::: |
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Any coach - from UT to the lowest levels of D3 and NAIA who spend all of their time with the first team practicing and the other players standing around and watching is going to have a pretty crummy team.
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mercfan3
Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 19768
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Posted: 12/18/06 2:56 pm ::: |
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hehe, I liked Geno's comment as well.
UConn coach Geno Auriemma also questioned the proposed ban.
"The game has made more progress in the last 10 years than it did in the previous 100 years," he said. "A lot of it has to do with the level of competition. Now the so-called experts out there that don't coach every day or don't play at our level are trying to tell us the way we're doing it is not good. Instead of basketball, we're almost becoming like Congress. People who don't know what they're talking about are telling you what you should be doing."
http://www.courant.com/sports/college/husky/women/hc-practiceplayer1218.artdec18,0,5059145.story?coll=hc-headlines-sports-top
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No 1 Throwdown
Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Posts: 1118 Location: MICHIGAN
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Posted: 12/18/06 2:57 pm ::: |
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Abby's comment was rather vanilla/straight forward... zzzz
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Copernicus
Joined: 16 Oct 2005 Posts: 89
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Posted: 12/18/06 4:03 pm ::: |
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"Taking them away would actually reduce the amount of productive practice time the second and third strings would get and would severely limit what drills a team with only 8-11 healthy players could feasibly run.
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The only way the 2nd and 3rd teams could have as much productive time in a co-ed practice as in a practice for an all-female team would be if practice were lengthened for the co-ed team.
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dtsnms
Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 18815
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Posted: 12/18/06 4:14 pm ::: |
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Copernicus wrote: |
"Taking them away would actually reduce the amount of productive practice time the second and third strings would get and would severely limit what drills a team with only 8-11 healthy players could feasibly run.
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The only way the 2nd and 3rd teams could have as much productive time in a co-ed practice as in a practice for an all-female team would be if practice were lengthened for the co-ed team. |
You're mistaken.
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Michael
Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 602
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Posted: 12/18/06 4:36 pm ::: |
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Copernicus wrote: |
"Taking them away would actually reduce the amount of productive practice time the second and third strings would get and would severely limit what drills a team with only 8-11 healthy players could feasibly run.
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The only way the 2nd and 3rd teams could have as much productive time in a co-ed practice as in a practice for an all-female team would be if practice were lengthened for the co-ed team. |
You don't get it, time spent emulating the opposing teams defense is not productive for the second teams growth. They need to be able to run their offense and defense agianst simulated opposition, and that will not happen if you take away the male practice players nearly so much. The second string would spend more time on the floor, but MUCH less of it running their sets thus they would get less productive time. Look at it this way, the only people advocating this are radical feminists that cannot stand that their is male involvement in women's sports. NOONE that knows anything about how the teams practice thinks this proposal is anything but STUPID and HARMFUL!!
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womens_hoops
Joined: 20 Nov 2004 Posts: 2831
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Posted: 12/18/06 6:22 pm ::: |
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Copernicus wrote: |
The only way the 2nd and 3rd teams could have as much productive time in a co-ed practice as in a practice for an all-female team would be if practice were lengthened for the co-ed team. |
in at least some cases, using the men actually helps the reserves to get more practice time.
I just talked to one of the LSU coaches about this. They played in East Lansing yesterday. The team was tired from the game and travel -- the starters and top reserves needed rest today. So at practice, the men played almost entirely against the rest of the reserves. If the men hadn't been there, they really couldn't have scrimmaged at all.
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Copernicus
Joined: 16 Oct 2005 Posts: 89
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Posted: 12/19/06 1:28 am ::: |
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You don't get it, time spent emulating the opposing teams defense is not productive for the second teams growth.
That's an opinion, and one that I don't share. Do you think the second and third teams watching the males emulate the opposing team's is productive to their growth?
They need to be able to run their offense and defense agianst simulated opposition, and that will not happen if you take away the male practice players nearly so much.
Sure it will. And it will happen more. They will be doing against the first team or the team will be broken up into two teams that are not the same as the normal first and second team. Just like has happened for years and years at all levels with both genders.
The second string would spend more time on the floor, but MUCH less of it running their sets thus they would get less productive time.
How would the practice have less time with the second team running their offense in a female team situation versus co-ed. What is your breakdown of minutes each way?
Look at it this way, the only people advocating this are radical feminists that cannot stand that their is male involvement in women's sports. NOONE that knows anything about how the teams practice thinks this proposal is anything but STUPID and HARMFUL!!
Why do you think the committee that wants to disallow it knows nothing about the way teams practice?
Should the male players be in the team photo with the players coaches and team managers? Should the male players be allowed to travel to games, particularly NCAA tournament and conference tournament games?
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