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mikey87
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womens_hoops
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| and how will this affect Duffy's draft stock?
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ClayK
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| Posted: 01/14/06 4:12 pm ::: |
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I think the Irish were a little overrated ...
I know when I did my preseason poll that it was hard to find enough teams to rank in the top 15 (peace, PUMatty), and Notre Dame seemed like a good fallback. The Irish had a strong point guard, a great coach and a record of success so they made a lot more sense than Vanderbilt or someone like that.
And then they started strong, which moved them up, and made it easy to think 'Well, they really were pretty good.'
All that said, watch out in postseason. If ND gets to the Big Polka, Muffet is always dangerous.
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| Posted: 01/14/06 4:21 pm ::: |
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| ClayK: How would you rank the non-Cappie PGs -- Grant, Blue and Duffy?
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PUmatty
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| Posted: 01/14/06 5:18 pm ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
I think the Irish were a little overrated ...
I know when I did my preseason poll that it was hard to find enough teams to rank in the top 15 (peace, PUMatty), and Notre Dame seemed like a good fallback. The Irish had a strong point guard, a great coach and a record of success so they made a lot more sense than Vanderbilt or someone like that.
And then they started strong, which moved them up, and made it easy to think 'Well, they really were pretty good.'
All that said, watch out in postseason. If ND gets to the Big Polka, Muffet is always dangerous. |
It reminds me of the Notre Dame team a few years ago that came into the tournament as a No. 11 seed, yet made the Sweet 16. I could see Duffy and company doing the same.
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HomerCecil
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I was at the game - Notre Dame couldn't do anything in the first half.
Duffy didn't have her best game, but she's not the reason they were being outrebounded 40-12 at one point in the second half. She will be fine in the pros. The inside people from ND couldn't do anything at all and at only 5-7, Duffy isn't going to be able to do much when she's got all the focus on her. She hit a couple of threes -- one that was probably 8 or 9 feet behind the line -- and she'll be fine in the W, in my opinion.
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| Posted: 01/14/06 9:59 pm ::: |
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| I always thought Notre Dame was overrated this year. Well at least for the rankings they were getting. They just don't seem to have it this year.
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styxfan22
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| Posted: 01/14/06 10:57 pm ::: |
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| Nikki Blue is looker better and better.
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bullsky
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| Posted: 01/14/06 11:06 pm ::: |
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| ND has no legit posts and spotty guards. Duffy isnt the kind of point guard to carry a team on her back offensively.
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| Posted: 01/14/06 11:34 pm ::: |
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| ND has no legit posts and spotty guards. Duffy isnt the kind of point guard to carry a team on her back offensively. |
Blue is not exactly playing with great posts either (though the other guards are good). If people are going to make excuses for Duffy, it's only fair to do the same for Nikki.
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| Posted: 01/15/06 12:09 am ::: |
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| Streaks wrote: |
| ND has no legit posts and spotty guards. Duffy isnt the kind of point guard to carry a team on her back offensively. |
Blue is not exactly playing with great posts either (though the other guards are good). If people are going to make excuses for Duffy, it's only fair to do the same for Nikki. |
Nikki Blue has 66 turnovers on the season, Duffy has 38. Nikki Blue can be sparatic at times while Duffy is more calm cool and collected. Both are good in different ways.
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| Posted: 01/15/06 6:04 am ::: |
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| Streaks wrote: |
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| Streaks wrote: |
| ND has no legit posts and spotty guards. Duffy isnt the kind of point guard to carry a team on her back offensively. |
Blue is not exactly playing with great posts either (though the other guards are good). If people are going to make excuses for Duffy, it's only fair to do the same for Nikki. |
Nikki Blue has 66 turnovers on the season, Duffy has 38. Nikki Blue can be sparatic at times while Duffy is more calm cool and collected. Both are good in different ways. |
You gotta wonder, thought, what Nikki Blue could do with a real coach.
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| Posted: 01/15/06 9:43 am ::: |
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I wonder how effective Muffet is recruiting these past few years... and in developing posts. For instance, she won the battle with UConn over Borton but Borton didn't develop as I expected (not avoiding the wins ND has had over UConn these past few years).
I just get the sense that other teams (HELLO St. John's) are growing and moving forward and ND is drifting off the radar.
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| Posted: 01/15/06 11:14 am ::: |
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| Louisville ran a box and one on Duffy for the entire game. No one else could do anything, so they never had to come out of it. She had a 6-0 player on her the entire game. Again, she's not the reason they were trailing in rebounds 40-12 in the second half.
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HomerCecil
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| Posted: 01/15/06 11:20 am ::: |
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If Megan Duffy had the other two guards that Nikki Blue has to play with, things would be a much different story. No one else on the team is averaging more than 9 points per game, and the numers two through four scorers on the team are freshmen or sophomores.
I'm not making excuses as to why Notre Dame is bad - they just aren't very good and don't have much this year. Courtney LaVere really isn't helping much, and beyond that they're just too young.
No WNBA team is going to draft Duffy to come in and be a big-time scorer; that's the difference between her and the Ivory Lattas of the world. She runs a team extremely efficiently and is very even keeled and fundamentally sound.
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ClayK
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| Posted: 01/15/06 8:25 pm ::: |
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When you run a box-and-one on a player, and the rest of the team can't respond well enough to force you out of it, that says a lot.
I think both Duffy and Grant will do well in the pros. Grant may have a problem because of her slight build, but she's done nothing but improve in college.
I don't think Nikki Blue is a point guard, and if she is, she's not a very good one. Her pro prospects are in the Dee Dee Wheeler, Sheila Lambert, Tamicha Jackson mode ...
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| Posted: 01/15/06 8:32 pm ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
All that said, watch out in postseason. If ND gets to the Big Polka, Muffet is always dangerous. |
They sure weren't dangerous last season, when they had an even more talented team than this one (with Batteast), yet got beaten soundly by UConn in the Big East Tournament (after beating the Huskies in Storrs only a few weeks earlier), struggled past #13 seed UC Santa Barbara in the first round, and blew a sizeable first half lead and lost in the second round to Arizona State.
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| Posted: 01/16/06 12:45 am ::: |
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| styxfan22 wrote: |
| Blue is not exactly playing with great posts either (though the other guards are good). If people are going to make excuses for Duffy, it's only fair to do the same for Nikki. |
Not hardly. No excuses needed for Duffy. She attracts 10 times more attention then Blue. Simply put, when teams start focusing on stopping Blue the way they do Duffy then we can talk about 'fair'. I think HomereCecil & others have made fine points.
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| Posted: 01/16/06 10:49 am ::: |
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| njjosh wrote: |
| ClayK wrote: |
All that said, watch out in postseason. If ND gets to the Big Polka, Muffet is always dangerous. |
and blew a sizeable first half lead and lost in the second round to Arizona State. |
I'm not going to say that this is why they lost, but when Allen blew out her knee, all the enthusiasm seemed to go out of the team. They showed the bench when she was still down, and they looked shell-shocked or something. They might have still lost, but I think they could have pulled it out if not for that.
And this year, I agree ND was probably a little over-rated going in. but they should be much better than this. Duffy can't do it alone but even she has been pretty inconsistent lately.
Hopefully, they can get something together and make a little run. Otherwise, I'll just have to wait til football season or start following fencing or something because the men are no better.
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