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The 2023 Final Four game between both teams:
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Last season's Final Four meeting, Iowa used a Box And 1 against the Gamecocks - often a Box and 0, with Clark dismissing defending Raven Johnson throughout the game, putting all 5 Hawkeyes into the paint. They crowded the paint, which most opponents did to the Boston-led Gamecocks for most of her career. The rest of the team went 4-20 from the 3-pt. line - reserves Johnson and Bree Hall were 4-10, while the Gamecock starters were 0-8.
Boston got into early foul trouble and were limited to just 8 pts on 2-9 shooting, while 3 of the other starters - Beal, Saxton, and Fletcher combined for 3 pts on 1-15 shooting. Reserve Kamilla Cardoso however fared much better, shooting 7-9 for 14 pts and 14 rebounds.
Cardoso will return, and will have four (4) teammates that are a combined 35-83 (.422) from beyond the arc this tournament thus far. The Gamecocks are a more dynamic offensive team from last year's iteration, and the Hawkeyes will be without Czinano and Warnock. Hannah Stuelke at 6-2 is the Hawkeye's tallest player this tournament with substantial experience: Addison O'Grady is 6-3, but plays very little.
Last season, Chloe Kitts, Sania Feagin, and Ashlyn Watkins did not make an appearance in the game. All are expected to rotate heavily in Sunday's game. Watkins has yet to experience a loss wearing the South Carolina jersey in games where she has stepped onto the court for: she is 69-0 for her college career in games where she makes the official box score.
The additions of transfer TeHina Paopao and freshmen Milaysia Fulwiley and Tessa Johnson makes this year's Gamecocks almost a totally new opponent for Iowa, while the Hawkeyes are led by mostly the same cast - their top 5 scorers this season were 5 of the top 7 last season, minus Czanino and Warnock who are no longer there.
It will be interesting to see how Iowa plays against this version of South Carolina defensively. Last season I was surprised to the point of shock at how well they defended the Gamecocks - their team defense was so poor, and they mostly just out-scored all comers. This season was more of the same, however AGAIN they displayed solid defense against Connecticut in their Final Four this tournament. So I have no idea how they will come out against the Gamecocks tomorrow...
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| Posted: 04/07/24 5:46 am ::: |
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| So Iowa lost two players and gained nothing, while South Carolina lost one player but gained multiple players. Doesn't sound promising for Iowa.
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| Posted: 04/07/24 8:42 am ::: |
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| So Iowa lost two players and gained nothing, while South Carolina lost one player but gained multiple players. Doesn't sound promising for Iowa. |
South Carolina gained more players than Iowa, but they also lost (way) more. Iowa returns three starters from last years game while South Carolina returns zero. Every player that presumably will start for Iowa played in last years game, compared to three such players for South Carolina. South Carolina graduated seven players from last years roster, all of whom played in last years game. Iowa returns 139 minutes from last years game (I excluded Molly Davis' 2 minutes since I assume she won't play today) while South Carolina returns 68 minutes.
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| Posted: 04/07/24 9:55 am ::: |
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| Well, someone did win the Powerball last night…
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| Posted: 04/07/24 10:32 am ::: |
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| Clark needs 18 points to become the All Time leader in NCAA tournament scoring. Points for you if you knew that record belongs Chamique Holdsclaw.
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| So Iowa lost two players and gained nothing, while South Carolina lost one player but gained multiple players. Doesn't sound promising for Iowa. |
Didn't say that at all, but just from looking at the season's stat sheets for both teams - and I already stated this above - minus two players, the top producers for Iowa were the top producers for them last season too. NO new players - freshmen or transfers - have jumped the others to become leaders. The previously top players have just taken on larger roles and are producing more than they did last season.
But on the other note, people have been talking all season long how the offense for South Carolina has changed from how they did it last season, primarily from the perimeter.
Here are the NCAA.org season's statistical rankings for each team from last season, and this season:
Statistical Ranking: Iowa ('22-'23 season / '23-'24 season) - South Carolina ('22-'23 season / '23-'24 season):
Scoring Offense: 1/1 - 7/3
Scoring Defense: 321/312 - 4/17
Field Goal %: 1/2 - 14/4
Field Goal % Defense: 170/145 - 2/1
Rebounds/Game: 85/17 - 2/4
Rebound Margin/Game: 67/25 - 1/3
Three-Point Field Goal %: 7/9 - 170/3
Three-Point Field Goal % Defense: 131/161 - 16/15
Three-Point Field Goals/Game: 7/1 - 296/117
Steals/Game: 186/179 - 250/89
Blocks/Game: 240/131 - 1/1
Assists/Game: 1/1 - 22/13
Assists/Turnover Ratio: 4/7 - 10/10
Bench Points/Game: 158/103 - 1/2
When you look at the stats, with so many Division I teams to compare with, differences of 10 to even 20 ranking spots may mean very little in the differences in the averages. But the more substantial difference in ranking spots indicate real changes in game production, and how the teams have changed in that production.
Most of the above stats are pretty similar for both teams, and indicate their philosophies in how they compete in, and win games. South Carolina is consistently good defensively, while Iowa is consistently good offensively. Iowa has shown slight improvements defensively across the board this season compared to last, with improvements in Scoring Defense, FG % Defense, 3-pt. FG % Defense, steals and blocks per game averages. Still overall, the team is fairly low down on the rankings in those areas. Iowa has also shown a substantial improvement in rebounds per gm, despite losing their 2nd and 3rd-best rebounders from last season, in Czinano and Warnock. They still have their leading rebounder in Clark, and their 4th, 5th, and 6th top rebounders from last season have all stepped up to take the two graduated players' places well - they are now Iowa's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th leading rebounders.
Iowa has also improved on their 3-pt. FG shooting per game, averaging 11.0 3-ptrs this season over their 9.2 per-gm average last season. Clark is primarily responsible for this increase, averaging 5.2 3-pt. makes per game compared to averaging 3.7 makes per gm last season. Warnock was tied with Gabby Marshall for 2nd on the team in makes last season: Marshall is now 2nd behind Clark, and Kate Martin - who was 4th last season, is now 3rd this year.
So, most of the same cast members doing the same things this season as they did last season for the Hawkeyes, but just doing them moreso, but not really differently. Stuelke is the biggest change to Iowa's identity, being a regular starter now this season as opposed to coming off the bench last season. Her ppg and rpg have improved substantially, due to the added minutes and responsibility. She is essentially taking over Czinano's role as being the #2 producer behind Clark. Martin has taken over Warnock's role as the #3 go-to player.
Now look at South Carolina: most stats for them too, are very similar to last season, with a notable exception in the area of perimeter production. The Gamecocks are making 2.2 more 3-point FGs per game than they did last season, and have rocketed up from a middling 170th ranking in 3-pt. FG % to 3rd overall, 39.5% behind Indiana's and Gonzaga's 39.6%.
And the Gamecocks improvement in 3-pt. FG makes per gm comes to 20% of their total field goals per game this season, as opposed to their 3-pt. FG makes last season being just 14% of their total field goal makes per gm, or a 43% improvement overall in the field goal per game ratio of 3-pt. FGs over total FGs.
Iowa also improved in their 3-pt. FG makes per gm over last season, but their 3-pt. FG makes come to 34% of their total FG makes, compared to being just 29% of their total FG makes last season. That improvement is only 17% over their FG ratio from last season.
80% of Iowa's 3-pt. FG makes from 2022-23 came from Clark, Marshall, Martin, Molly Davis and Taylor McCabe. Only about 17% of those graduated with Warnock. Those 5 fore-mentioned players accounted for 88% of the Hawkeye's 3-pt. FGs this season.
By comparison, 75% of South Carolina's 3-pt FGs last season came from players no longer on the roster this season: Zia Cooke, Brea Beal, Olivia Thompson, Boston, Amihere, Fletcher, Talaysia Cooper. 66% of the made 3-pt. FGs this season have been made by Paopao, Fulwiley, and Tessa Johnson - all new members of the Gamecocks - while Bree Hall and Raven Johnson have improved substantially on their 3-pt. FG production.
SO, my point is NOT that any team in this Championship game has failed to improve over last season. Both teams I'm sure have improved. My point was that South Carolina - while improving - has also changed their dynamic offensively into being a good bit different, or more rounded, in their offensive production. They go about it in good bit differently, while having improved at it in doing so. Iowa certainly looks to have improved too, but how they go about their production is more of the same of what they did last season, just more so.....
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| Posted: 04/07/24 2:12 pm ::: |
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I don't see Stuelke being able to handle Cardoso, so unless she gets some help, SC is going to win.
OK, that was a big block by Stuelke.
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| Posted: 04/07/24 2:19 pm ::: |
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| Was that a big push by Clark just before the three that gave them 10?
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| Posted: 04/07/24 2:21 pm ::: |
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| Holy shit!!!! That was a long 3!!!!
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| So is the SC plan to knock the shit out of Clark on three point shots??
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| So is the SC plan to knock the shit out of Clark on three point shots?? |
If you call that "knocking the shit out of Clark" then what would you call the shove by Clark on Hall?
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| So is the SC plan to knock the shit out of Clark on three point shots?? |
If you call that "knocking the shit out of Clark" then what would you call the shove by Clark on Hall? |
If it's the one that I referenced earlier, a foul.
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| So is the SC plan to knock the shit out of Clark on three point shots?? |
If you call that "knocking the shit out of Clark" then what would you call the shove by Clark on Hall? |
If it's the one that I referenced earlier, a foul. |
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| Posted: 04/07/24 2:38 pm ::: |
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| Iowa 53% from the floor and 67% from three in the 1st quarter. If they keep shooting like that SC has no chance.
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| Iowa 53% from the floor and 67% from three in the 1st quarter. If they keep shooting like that SC has no chance. |
I was just thinking "does Clark need to go for 50 today for Iowa to win?"
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| Posted: 04/07/24 2:44 pm ::: |
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| Clark gets blocked, stays calm, gets the rebound and then an assist on a three.
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| Good explanation from Lobo on the "hot stove touch".
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| That foul on Johnson didn't look like much. I wish they would replay that one.
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| Posted: 04/07/24 3:02 pm ::: |
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Is it too late to take the over for this game?
Maybe I want to go back to the under.
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Kitts is killing Iowa on the boards.
Clark gets lazy with the ball a lot.
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| Posted: 04/07/24 3:07 pm ::: |
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| After a 10-0 start that grew to 20-9 at the mid-point of the 1st Period for Iowa, South Carolina out-scores the Hawkeyes 40-26 the rest of the half to take a 49-46 lead into halftime.....
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| Posted: 04/07/24 3:07 pm ::: |
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| You can just tell that South Carolina is on the verge of blowing this open. They have legit 8 or 9 players who can make plays and finish. Iowa has 2 or 3.
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Kitts is killing Iowa
Iowa doesn't look like they have the energy they did at the beginning.
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