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GlennMacGrady
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 Posted: 03/05/24 6:21 pm ::: Dartmouth MBB players vote to unionize |
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Dartmouth men’s basketball team votes to unionize, though steps remain before forming labor union
"The Dartmouth men’s basketball team voted to unionize Tuesday in an unprecedented step toward forming the first labor union for college athletes and another blow to the NCAA’s deteriorating amateur business model."
"The school quickly appealed to the full NLRB, seeking to overturn last month’s decision by the board’s regional official that the Dartmouth players are employees and thus entitled to unionize."
"Dan Hurley, the coach of the defending national champion UConn men’s team, said he believes unionization and treating players as employees is the future of college basketball." |
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snlMINAJ
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| Posted: 03/06/24 5:36 am ::: |
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employees.
so no more scholarships? bad practice means not playing in game? getting fired, or promoted? player is out injured = no pay? days off?
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ClayK
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| Posted: 03/06/24 10:35 am ::: |
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| snlMINAJ wrote: |
employees.
so no more scholarships? bad practice means not playing in game? getting fired, or promoted? player is out injured = no pay? days off? |
There are, of course, questions.
The bottom line, however, is that colleges have been raking in millions, if not billions, of dollars for a century without paying the people who do the work. And meanwhile, old white guys (for the most part) sit behind desks and get seven figures.
Maybe if the colleges hadn't been so greedy (and worked so hard to make it look like athletics lost money), a reasonable compromise could have been reached.
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| Posted: 03/06/24 4:52 pm ::: |
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| snlMINAJ wrote: |
employees.
so no more scholarships? bad practice means not playing in game? getting fired, or promoted? player is out injured = no pay? days off? |
As far as I know, like all the Ivy League schools, Dartmouth doesn't give out athletic scholarships.
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| Posted: 03/07/24 10:09 am ::: |
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How many athletic directors at P4 schools are women? What percentage of coaches, head or assistant, that make more than $200,000 are women?
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GlennMacGrady
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| Posted: 03/07/24 11:19 am ::: |
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| I fail to see the relevance of what the supposed ethnicity or sex of certain college administrators has to do with the motivations for a men's college basketball team to unionize. That just seems like an unnecessarily divisive distraction to the perhaps-relevant argument about the pay imbalance between those administrators, whoever they are, and "the people (athletes) who do the work." |
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tfan
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| Posted: 03/07/24 12:03 pm ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
How many athletic directors at P4 schools are women? What percentage of coaches, head or assistant, that make more than $200,000 are women? |
We just had the implosion of the PAC 12 so schools could make more money on sports from other conferences (and their TV deals). Is that extra money going to mostly go to increase the salaries of the athletic director and the football and men's basketball coaches? My assumption was that the want the money so they can do "college education" stuff with it.
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| Posted: 03/07/24 12:59 pm ::: |
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| snlMINAJ wrote: |
employees.
so no more scholarships? bad practice means not playing in game? getting fired, or promoted? player is out injured = no pay? days off? |
As far as I know, like all the Ivy League schools, Dartmouth doesn't give out athletic scholarships. |
They don't, but they have an equivalent in "work-study" and grant programs. so they just call it something else. And as I said to my husband, if you think this union is something, wait until the women's teams (anywhere) get hold of it. You ain't seen nothing yet!
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| Posted: 03/07/24 9:52 pm ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
There are, of course, questions.
The bottom line, however, is that colleges have been raking in millions, if not billions, of dollars for a century without paying the people who do the work. And meanwhile, old white guys (for the most part) sit behind desks and get seven figures.
Maybe if the colleges hadn't been so greedy (and worked so hard to make it look like athletics lost money), a reasonable compromise could have been reached. |
The annual cost of attending Dartmouth is >$90K, of which $68K is paid for by need-based financial aid. Yet we're whining about their compensation when they're joining a union of janitors, cafeteria workers, nursing home staff, and law enforcement employees. Forgive me, but my heart's not bleeding. And what about the school music club or debate team? Does their participation in extracurricular activities for the same financial aid entitle them to unionize with security guards and home care workers?
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| Posted: 03/08/24 12:49 am ::: |
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It took all of 1.5 hours for this to appear in another thread.
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| Why don't we have a moderator here? And what does this have to do with WOMEN'S COLLEGE BASKETBALL? |
This thread is no more about women's bball than another thread, yet the ones that complained loudest in the other thread have happily participated in this one.
Not a peep that it doesn't belong here after 2+ days.
SMH.
(I don't care that this thread is here, just the hypocrisy.)
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| Posted: 03/08/24 10:12 am ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
There are, of course, questions.
The bottom line, however, is that colleges have been raking in millions, if not billions, of dollars for a century without paying the people who do the work. And meanwhile, old white guys (for the most part) sit behind desks and get seven figures.
Maybe if the colleges hadn't been so greedy (and worked so hard to make it look like athletics lost money), a reasonable compromise could have been reached. |
The annual cost of attending Dartmouth is >$90K, of which $68K is paid for by need-based financial aid. Yet we're whining about their compensation when they're joining a union of janitors, cafeteria workers, nursing home staff, and law enforcement employees. Forgive me, but my heart's not bleeding. And what about the school music club or debate team? Does their participation in extracurricular activities for the same financial aid entitle them to unionize with security guards and home care workers? |
The price charged for attending Dartmouth has little to do with the actual cost to Dartmouth of adding one student.
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