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| K. Mitchell for M. Mabrey? Thoughts? |
Good point that Mitchell has been a ball-dominant (combo guard?). IF Clark can handle WNBA defensive pressure and also get to the basket she should be controlling the ball most of the time given her passing ability. Not sure about the Mabrey and Clark defensively though.
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| Posted: 04/29/24 11:43 am ::: |
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K. Mitchell for M. Mabrey? Thoughts?
My thought is Mabrey is a better fit with Clark. Mitchell needs the ball in her hand, Mabrey does not. Mabrey is a better defender who thrived playing off of a dominant guard in Dallas (Ogunbowale). Mitchell is an alpha on offense it could work with Clark or it could be struggle, in Chicago Mitchell could have the ball in her hand, add some star power and scoring to to a team lacking both, bringing true lead guard energy while the new posts (Reese and Cardoso) develop. |
Hard to know if they can work together, but as a Fever fan, I'd like to try it. You have the two most prolific NCAA three-point shooters in the same backcourt. Having an offensive player and scorer as good as Mitchell will help take some defensive pressure off of Clark making her harder to double or cheat on.
Mitchell has been the alpha on offense, but she has had to be. The best players she has been in the backcourt with are Tiffany Mitchell and the shell of Cappie Pondexter.
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| Posted: 04/29/24 1:11 pm ::: |
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K. Mitchell for M. Mabrey? Thoughts?
My thought is Mabrey is a better fit with Clark. Mitchell needs the ball in her hand, Mabrey does not. Mabrey is a better defender who thrived playing off of a dominant guard in Dallas (Ogunbowale). Mitchell is an alpha on offense it could work with Clark or it could be struggle, in Chicago Mitchell could have the ball in her hand, add some star power and scoring to to a team lacking both, bringing true lead guard energy while the new posts (Reese and Cardoso) develop. |
Are you doing PR salesmanship with this “true lead guard energy”? Mitchell is a lead guard like Ogunbowale is a lead guard. Not really. Chicago has Dana Evans as the PG, who should do fine. They also have Chennedy Carter, who has looked pretty good in the parts that they’ve shown her. If Chicago is too stacked to keep her, some team should consider jumping on her. But I think Weathspoon might be the perfect coach for her.
For Indiana, I’d like them to stay as organic as possible. That’s how you develop team bonding. The Aces have three drafted starters. That seems to have worked out really well for them. The Fever have four drafted starters now. They just recently got rid of what could have been the fifth drafted starter in Vivians. That would have been really cool to see. But, KLS has looked really good from what I’ve seen. Might want to pick her up in your fantasy league in the later rounds.
Might want to check with pilight if he keeps track of that sort of thing, but active player for active player trades seem pretty rare (if not unheard of) at this point of the season. Maybe a player for future draft pick is more likely? A team might want to cut a player with some value and try to make a deal with a team with no waiver power.
(edit) Oh, I forgot all about Lindsay Allen for Chicago. I felt she was really good for the Lynx when she could stay on the court.
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| Posted: 05/07/24 9:01 pm ::: |
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| Posted: 05/10/24 1:10 pm ::: |
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| The Indiana Fever exercised the fourth-year option on the rookie scale contracts of guards Lexie Hull and Kristy Wallace. The team waived guards Maya Caldwell and Leilani Correa.
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| Posted: 05/29/24 11:58 am ::: |
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Indy has played eight games - other teams have only played five.
There is a major spotlight on the team as a result of CC. People have unreasonable expectations for her. Seems she is keeping her head about it all.
They have two vets with 8 years of experience - most other teammates have under 3 years.
The pre-season is not long enough for folks to gel IMO, so people need to lighten up with all the criticism.
Still, I am not really convinced that Sides knows what to do.
I want to offer them some grace, but it is challenging.
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| Posted: 05/29/24 12:11 pm ::: |
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So...
Indy has played eight games - other teams have only played five.
There is a major spotlight on the team as a result of CC. People have unreasonable expectations for her. Seems she is keeping her head about it all.
They have two vets with 8 years of experience - most other teammates have under 3 years.
The pre-season is not long enough for folks to gel IMO, so people need to lighten up with all the criticism.
Still, I am not really convinced that Sides knows what to do.
I want to offer them some grace, but it is challenging.
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Yep on all of this. I think Sides can be a good coach, but I don't know if this is the right situation for her. Sides as always been a very solid assistant, but does this team need a coach who is more experienced as a head coach? I'm not sure who that would be though. Anyway, I do see a lot of improvement in the team.
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| Posted: 05/29/24 2:44 pm ::: |
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| ChiSky54 wrote: |
So...
Indy has played eight games - other teams have only played five.
There is a major spotlight on the team as a result of CC. People have unreasonable expectations for her. Seems she is keeping her head about it all.
They have two vets with 8 years of experience - most other teammates have under 3 years.
The pre-season is not long enough for folks to gel IMO, so people need to lighten up with all the criticism.
Still, I am not really convinced that Sides knows what to do.
I want to offer them some grace, but it is challenging.
JMO |
Yep on all of this. I think Sides can be a good coach, but I don't know if this is the right situation for her. Sides as always been a very solid assistant, but does this team need a coach who is more experienced as a head coach? I'm not sure who that would be though. Anyway, I do see a lot of improvement in the team. |
Just a question , but would you all feel this way without CC ? I remember last season she was praised left and right and after 8 games most Indy fans have seen enough ! What's changed ?
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I am rooting for Sides! It's clearly too early for the "off with her head" attitude that many have. She's got to be feeling the pressure as well.
Good question. Looking at last year's roster, I think they've upgraded with Fagbenle but downgraded with KLS. Just saw that Dantas hasn't played since 2022.
They all just need time - like many of the other teams - to gel. It's unfortunate the level of scrutiny that Indy is under.
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| Posted: 05/29/24 10:58 pm ::: |
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I don't have a problem with Sides. BUT encouraging her players to shoot long 2s is a crime.  That's basically a death sentence. They need an experience coach. |
The exact quote is:
"Yeah, I think she's used to some shots that she's taken in the last few years, that are just those deep shots. And, I don't know, there's times she comes off ball screens where she's open in that long two area. And we've got to get her comfortable taking that long two."
Which was in response to a reporter suggesting Clark didn't take enough twos:
Q: "Christie when you look at Caitlin, she took two two-pointers in the first preseason game, three today. Is there a balance, what are you seeing that's kinda causing that, is there a balance you'd like to see with that. Is that something you'd like to address? |
No. Not only Clark.
https://x.com/chloepeterson67/status/1794069873557147818
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| Posted: 05/30/24 12:48 am ::: |
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| boogiezen wrote: |
| I don't have a problem with Sides. BUT encouraging her players to shoot long 2s is a crime. That's basically a death sentence. They need an experience coach. |
The exact quote is:
"Yeah, I think she's used to some shots that she's taken in the last few years, that are just those deep shots. And, I don't know, there's times she comes off ball screens where she's open in that long two area. And we've got to get her comfortable taking that long two."
Which was in response to a reporter suggesting Clark didn't take enough twos:
Q: "Christie when you look at Caitlin, she took two two-pointers in the first preseason game, three today. Is there a balance, what are you seeing that's kinda causing that, is there a balance you'd like to see with that. Is that something you'd like to address? |
No. Not only Clark.
https://x.com/chloepeterson67/status/1794069873557147818 |
The sports reporter tweeter says:
"Christie Sides has said she wants her team, specifically Caitlin Clark, to get more comfortable in the mid-range."
Would like to know what the exact quote was. "especially" would make more sense in that sentence than "specifically".
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| Posted: 05/30/24 5:23 pm ::: |
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| tfan wrote: |
| boogiezen wrote: |
| I don't have a problem with Sides. BUT encouraging her players to shoot long 2s is a crime. That's basically a death sentence. They need an experience coach. |
The exact quote is:
"Yeah, I think she's used to some shots that she's taken in the last few years, that are just those deep shots. And, I don't know, there's times she comes off ball screens where she's open in that long two area. And we've got to get her comfortable taking that long two."
Which was in response to a reporter suggesting Clark didn't take enough twos:
Q: "Christie when you look at Caitlin, she took two two-pointers in the first preseason game, three today. Is there a balance, what are you seeing that's kinda causing that, is there a balance you'd like to see with that. Is that something you'd like to address? |
No. Not only Clark.
https://x.com/chloepeterson67/status/1794069873557147818 |
The sports reporter tweeter says:
"Christie Sides has said she wants her team, specifically Caitlin Clark, to get more comfortable in the mid-range."
Would like to know what the exact quote was. "especially" would make more sense in that sentence than "specifically". |
Exactly my point. It's not only Clark (obviously) but also her "team".
Encouraging players to shoot long2 is a crime of basketball. Mid range yes, but long2? That's illogical.
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| Posted: 05/30/24 7:15 pm ::: |
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Exactly my point. It's not only Clark (obviously) but also her "team".
Encouraging players to shoot long2 is a crime of basketball. Mid range yes, but long2? That's illogical. |
OK, but according to that reporter's alleged paraphrase, Sides did say midrange for the team, not long twos.
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| Posted: 05/30/24 8:53 pm ::: |
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| I don't have a problem with Sides. BUT encouraging her players to shoot long 2s is a crime. :lol: That's basically a death sentence. They need an experience coach. |
The exact quote is:
"Yeah, I think she's used to some shots that she's taken in the last few years, that are just those deep shots. And, I don't know, there's times she comes off ball screens where she's open in that long two area. And we've got to get her comfortable taking that long two."
Which was in response to a reporter suggesting Clark didn't take enough twos:
Q: "Christie when you look at Caitlin, she took two two-pointers in the first preseason game, three today. Is there a balance, what are you seeing that's kinda causing that, is there a balance you'd like to see with that. Is that something you'd like to address? |
No. Not only Clark.
https://x.com/chloepeterson67/status/1794069873557147818 |
The sports reporter tweeter says:
"Christie Sides has said she wants her team, specifically Caitlin Clark, to get more comfortable in the mid-range."
Would like to know what the exact quote was. "especially" would make more sense in that sentence than "specifically". |
Encouraging players to shoot long2 is a crime of basketball. Mid range yes, but long2? That's illogical. |
You have a point if the long two is just a foot away from the 3pt line and the shooter can actually step back behind the line and get a quality 3pt shot. However, if a player is open (as Sides said) for a long 2 after coming off a screen, why not take it? In addition, a 19 foot open long two is much more likely to go in for Clark than a 30 foot three.
The Fever's problems are a lot more serious than too few midrange shots. They are weak from all shot distances, weak on team offense, weak on team defense, weak on personal defense (specifically Clark), and weak in low post play. |
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| Posted: 05/30/24 11:23 pm ::: |
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| weak on personal defense (specifically Clark). |
You must not have watched the last game against the Sparks.
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| Posted: 05/31/24 12:34 am ::: |
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| weak on personal defense (specifically Clark). |
You must not have watched the last game against the Sparks. |
I didn't.
In this game, the Storm guards had no problem driving around her on the perimeter and she was not effective in fighting over or going under screens. She got lost a lot and isn't laterally quick as a defender. I'm sure she can improve, as she never had to play much defense at Iowa . . . nor did anyone else. |
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| Posted: 05/31/24 2:59 am ::: |
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The Fever's problems are a lot more serious than too few midrange shots. They are weak from all shot distances, weak on team offense, weak on team defense, weak on personal defense (specifically Clark), and weak in low post play. |
Are you suggesting that with a different coach the Fever would be a good team?
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