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NOTE: Hayes is the first non-first rounder to reach 4000 since Jia Perkins crossed the mark in 2015. |
Absolutely insane to look at some of those names that were picked before Hayes.
Natalie Novasel? Kelly Cain?? Sasha Goodlet??? |
"Draft genius" Mike Thibault chose Astan Dabo, saying "Tiffany Hayes is a really good player, but I don't know who she would beat out on our team." The team in question started Allison Hightower, who scored 6.8 ppg on 35% shooting (24% from three). Dabo never set foot in the US, let alone Connecticut, and hasn't played anywhere since 2019 when she averaged 6 ppg for Nice.
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| Posted: 06/28/23 11:58 am ::: |
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| I had barely seen Hayes play, and still remember just seeing the college stats of all the available prospects and asking people why Hayes wasn't higher up all the boards and predictions. It made no sense, because she both had the UConn pedigree and the counting stats and the percentages. She's gone on to prove that it did, in fact, make no sense that she would be ranked so low (even though the boards were right in terms of predicting what teams would do). |
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| I had barely seen Hayes play, and still remember just seeing the college stats of all the available prospects and asking people why Hayes wasn't higher up all the boards and predictions. It made no sense, because she both had the UConn pedigree and the counting stats and the percentages. She's gone on to prove that it did, in fact, make no sense that she would be ranked so low (even though the boards were right in terms of predicting what teams would do). |
It was her Pinball effect , no one knew how durable she would be with her style of play at that time.
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| Danielle Robinson, the 80th player in WNBA history to score 3000 points! Roadrunner is 34 years, 49 days old. She is the 73rd youngest to score 3000. She took 332 games to score 3000, the 76th fastest ever. She is the 4th player from the class of 2011 to score 3000.
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| Posted: 06/29/23 7:55 am ::: |
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| I had barely seen Hayes play, and still remember just seeing the college stats of all the available prospects and asking people why Hayes wasn't higher up all the boards and predictions. It made no sense, because she both had the UConn pedigree and the counting stats and the percentages. She's gone on to prove that it did, in fact, make no sense that she would be ranked so low (even though the boards were right in terms of predicting what teams would do). |
It was her Pinball effect , no one knew how durable she would be with her style of play at that time. |
she also had, in my opinion, a terrible rep of big game performances... she would get 30+ against big east sub .500 teams, and then consistently get 5-10ppg with turnovers and horrible percentages against top-25
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| I had barely seen Hayes play, and still remember just seeing the college stats of all the available prospects and asking people why Hayes wasn't higher up all the boards and predictions. It made no sense, because she both had the UConn pedigree and the counting stats and the percentages. She's gone on to prove that it did, in fact, make no sense that she would be ranked so low (even though the boards were right in terms of predicting what teams would do). |
It was her Pinball effect , no one knew how durable she would be with her style of play at that time. |
she also had, in my opinion, a terrible rep of big game performances... she would get 30+ against big east sub .500 teams, and then consistently get 5-10ppg with turnovers and horrible percentages against top-25 |
Yeah, that sounds a lot more familiar in regards to what people gave as an answer at the time. When someone goes through four years of college basically never missing a game, durability isn't going to be the first concern people have for the next level. |
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| Posted: 06/29/23 11:11 am ::: |
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| I had barely seen Hayes play, and still remember just seeing the college stats of all the available prospects and asking people why Hayes wasn't higher up all the boards and predictions. It made no sense, because she both had the UConn pedigree and the counting stats and the percentages. She's gone on to prove that it did, in fact, make no sense that she would be ranked so low (even though the boards were right in terms of predicting what teams would do). |
It was her Pinball effect , no one knew how durable she would be with her style of play at that time. |
she also had, in my opinion, a terrible rep of big game performances... she would get 30+ against big east sub .500 teams, and then consistently get 5-10ppg with turnovers and horrible percentages against top-25 |
Yeah, that sounds a lot more familiar in regards to what people gave as an answer at the time. When someone goes through four years of college basically never missing a game, durability isn't going to be the first concern people have for the next level. |
It was still weird. She is basically the only UConn player to be downgraded in the draft rather than upgrade. Ketia Swanier was a first round pick. Kelly Faris was a first round pick just the year before Hayes.
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| Posted: 06/30/23 11:43 am ::: |
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| I had barely seen Hayes play, and still remember just seeing the college stats of all the available prospects and asking people why Hayes wasn't higher up all the boards and predictions. It made no sense, because she both had the UConn pedigree and the counting stats and the percentages. She's gone on to prove that it did, in fact, make no sense that she would be ranked so low (even though the boards were right in terms of predicting what teams would do). |
It was her Pinball effect , no one knew how durable she would be with her style of play at that time. |
she also had, in my opinion, a terrible rep of big game performances... she would get 30+ against big east sub .500 teams, and then consistently get 5-10ppg with turnovers and horrible percentages against top-25 |
Yeah, that sounds a lot more familiar in regards to what people gave as an answer at the time. When someone goes through four years of college basically never missing a game, durability isn't going to be the first concern people have for the next level. |
It was still weird. She is basically the only UConn player to be downgraded in the draft rather than upgrade. Ketia Swanier was a first round pick. Kelly Faris was a first round pick just the year before Hayes. |
Actually, I believe Faris was drafted a year after Hayes in 2013. Your point notwithstanding. She was really underrated when it came to the draft.
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| Posted: 06/30/23 1:04 pm ::: |
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| I had barely seen Hayes play, and still remember just seeing the college stats of all the available prospects and asking people why Hayes wasn't higher up all the boards and predictions. It made no sense, because she both had the UConn pedigree and the counting stats and the percentages. She's gone on to prove that it did, in fact, make no sense that she would be ranked so low (even though the boards were right in terms of predicting what teams would do). |
It was her Pinball effect , no one knew how durable she would be with her style of play at that time. |
she also had, in my opinion, a terrible rep of big game performances... she would get 30+ against big east sub .500 teams, and then consistently get 5-10ppg with turnovers and horrible percentages against top-25 |
It was this 100%. As an upperclassman and particularly her senior year she consistently played poorly against all of the best opponents (Baylor, ND, Stanford and Duke). Similar to Megan Walker a decade later at UCONN.
On the contrary, players like Kelly Faris/Morgan Tuck didn't have gaudy stats but usually played well in big games which led to inflated draft spots.
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Brittney Griner, the 26th player in WNBA history to reach 2000 rebounds! The Great Wall is 32 years, 256 days old. She's the 16th youngest to reach 2000. She took 266 games to reach 2000, the 10th fastest ever. She is the 1st player from the class of 2013 to reach 2000 rebounds!
She would be the fastest to 3000 if she got there in her next 38 games.
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| Shatori Walker-Kimbrough, the 241st player in WNBA history to score 1000 points! Shatter is 28 years, 52 days old. She is the 179th youngest to score 1000. She took 171 games to score 1000, tied with Alysha Clark for 220th fastest ever. She is the 6th player from the class of 2017 to score 1000.
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| Rebecca Allen, the 242nd player i WNBA history to score 1000 points! Spida is 30 years, 248 days old. She is the 216th youngest to score 1000. She took 178 games to score 1000, the 226th fastest ever. She is the 11th player from the rookie class of 2015 to score 1000.
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| Cheyenne Parker, the 142nd player in WNBA history to score 2000 points! One Born Queen is 30 years, 324 days old. She is the 113th youngest to score 2000. She took 234 games to score 2000, tied with Temeka Johnson and Dawn Staley for 122nd fastest ever. She is the 5th player from the class of 2015 to score 2000.
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Alyssa Thomas, the 34th player in WNBA history to reach 1000 assists! Baby Bron Bron is 31 years, 99 days old. She is the 17th youngest to reach 1000. She took 261 games to reach 1000, tied with Candace Parker for 16th fastest ever. She is the 2nd player from the class of 2014 to reach 1000.
She would be the youngest to 2000 if she got there by 17 August 2024. She would be the fastest to 2000 if she got there in her next 45 games.
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| Victoria Vivians, the 243rd player in WNBA history to score 1000 points! The Homecoming Queen is 28 years, 250 days old. She is the 189th youngest to score 1000. She took 128 games to score 1000, tied with Temeka Johnson, Camille Little, and Sugar Rodgers for 159th fastest ever. She is the 9th player from the class of 2018 to score 1000.
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| Elizabeth Williams, the 139th player in WNBA history to score 2000 points! The Paint Doctor is 29 years, 330 days old. She is the 100th youngest to score 2000. She took 239 games to score 2000, the 123rd fastest ever. She is the 4th player from the class of 2015 to score 2000. |
Just found this multi-faceted milestone in a Chicago Sun-Times article:
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| With her fourth rebound against the Mercury, Elizabeth Williams made history, becoming the ninth player in the WNBA with at least 2,000 points, 1,500 rebounds, 400 blocks, 300 assists and 200 steals. She achieved the milestone in 259 games, according to WNBA stat site Across The Timeline. |
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| Kayla McBride, the 45th player in WNBA history to score 4000 points! McBuckets is 31 years, 35 days old. She is the 18th youngest to score 4000. She took 282 games to score 4000, the 25th fastest ever. She is the 1st player from the class of 2014 to score 4000!
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| Tiffany Hayes. the 111th player in WNBA history to reach 1000 rebounds! Tip is 33 years, 313 days old. She is the 105th youngest to reach 1000. She took 302 games to reach 1000, the 101st fastest ever. She is the 3rd player from the class of 2012 to reach 1000 rebounds.
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Rhyne Howard, the 244th player in WNBA history to score 1000 points! Darn Hero is 23 years, 92 days old. She is the 11th youngest to score 1000. She took 59 games to score 1000, tied with Chamique Holdsclaw for 14th fastest ever. She is the 1st player from the class of 2022 to score 1000!
She would be the fastest to 2000 if she got there in her next 31 games.
NOTE: Howard is the first 2000s born player to score 1000
NOTE: Howard, from the 2022 draft class, reached 1000 before anyone from the 2021 class. This is the first time a player has reached 1000 before anyone from the previous class since Candace Parker, class of 2008, reached the mark before any of the 2007 class.
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Rhyne Howard, the 244th player in WNBA history to score 1000 points! Darn Hero is 23 years, 92 days old. She is the 11th youngest to score 1000. She took 59 games to score 1000, tied with Chamique Holdsclaw for 14th fastest ever. She is the 1st player from the class of 2022 to score 1000!
She would be the fastest to 2000 if she got there in her next 31 games.
NOTE: Howard is the first 2000s born player to score 1000
NOTE: Howard, from the 2022 draft class, reached 1000 before anyone from the 2021 class. This is the first time a player has reached 1000 before anyone from the previous class since Candace Parker, class of 2008, reached the mark before any of the 2007 class. |
Yikes. And that 2021 draft class isn't even close to 1000 points. Onyenware has only 673 points so far (her game is in the 4th quarter today) and she's the closest 2021 player.
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Rhyne Howard, the 244th player in WNBA history to score 1000 points! Darn Hero is 23 years, 92 days old. She is the 11th youngest to score 1000. She took 59 games to score 1000, tied with Chamique Holdsclaw for 14th fastest ever. She is the 1st player from the class of 2022 to score 1000!
She would be the fastest to 2000 if she got there in her next 31 games.
NOTE: Howard is the first 2000s born player to score 1000
NOTE: Howard, from the 2022 draft class, reached 1000 before anyone from the 2021 class. This is the first time a player has reached 1000 before anyone from the previous class since Candace Parker, class of 2008, reached the mark before any of the 2007 class. |
Yikes. And that 2021 draft class isn't even close to 1000 points. Onyenware has only 673 points so far (her game is in the 4th quarter today) and she's the closest 2021 player. |
She just barely pulled ahead of Aari McDonald
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Brianna Turner, the 112th player in WNBA history to reach 1000 rebounds! Breezy Bri is 27 years, 25 days old. She is the 25th youngest to reach 1000. She took 142 games to reach 1000, tied with Tina Thompson for 22nd fastest ever. She is the 2nd player from the class of 2019 to reach 1000.
She would be the fastest to 2000 if she got there in her next 54 games.
NOTE: Turner is the 4th player to reach 1000 rebounds without having reached 1000 points. Only one of the previous three has subsequently reached 1000 points.
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Brianna Turner, the 112th player in WNBA history to reach 1000 rebounds! Breezy Bri is 27 years, 25 days old. She is the 25th youngest to reach 1000. She took 142 games to reach 1000, tied with Tina Thompson for 22nd fastest ever. She is the 2nd player from the class of 2019 to reach 1000.
She would be the fastest to 2000 if she got there in her next 54 games.
NOTE: Turner is the 4th player to reach 1000 rebounds without having reached 1000 points. Only one of the previous three has subsequently reached 1000 points. |
Interesting fact! Is Bri the youngest of those 4 players?
She only needs 250 points to reach 1000, so she may make it in 2-3 seasons unless she starts shooting the damn ball more!
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| NOTE: Turner is the 4th player to reach 1000 rebounds without having reached 1000 points. Only one of the previous three has subsequently reached 1000 points. |
Stokes has to be one of them.
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Brianna Turner, the 112th player in WNBA history to reach 1000 rebounds! Breezy Bri is 27 years, 25 days old. She is the 25th youngest to reach 1000. She took 142 games to reach 1000, tied with Tina Thompson for 22nd fastest ever. She is the 2nd player from the class of 2019 to reach 1000.
She would be the fastest to 2000 if she got there in her next 54 games.
NOTE: Turner is the 4th player to reach 1000 rebounds without having reached 1000 points. Only one of the previous three has subsequently reached 1000 points. |
Interesting fact! Is Bri the youngest of those 4 players?
She only needs 250 points to reach 1000, so she may make it in 2-3 seasons unless she starts shooting the damn ball more! |
She's a whopping 34 days younger than Jayne Appel was when she hit 1000, so she is the youngest.
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She is, and she stands a good chance of reaching 1000 points. She's only 65 away.
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