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[Michael]

Its an idea sportwriters who flunked economics like to throw out every year or so. It would not work. If you take the top 36 programs or so and delete them from conference affiliation to form a seperate football only entity. You then schedule 10 games a year only within that group and have two buy in games from the second tier programs you might make a little more money at first then maintaining conference affiliation, but the BT and SEC teams would in all likelyhood actually lose money. Next problem, if you are only playing games among the top 36 teams for most of your schedule, half those programs are going to be at or below .500. The top half of the SEC won't have Vandy, UK and their other built in wins to feast on week after week. After the two easy games, every game is against top level competition, the season becomes an endurance test as injuries and fatigue wear down teams that don't have an easy game or three to recover from after playing a big game. Every week for ten weeks becomes a big game against another top tier team. No coach wants that. Its a recipe for coaches getting fired. How long does ND stay in that arrangement if they have losing season after losing season? How do you handle relegation of programs that have failed to stay competitive to replace them with a second tier program that has surpassed them? One assumes bowl revenue would be shared equally among the 36, but only 18-22 are going to be bowl eligible under this system, instead of the 30-36 in the current system. Less $ to go around again. Why would a school leave the security of the BT and SEC to join such a system that at best makes them a few extra millions and is frought with unknowns, obvious pitfalls, and certainly is far less secure for longevity. This system would have to generate 2.2 billion in revenues every year just from football to be break even for BT programs and a slight increase for SEC. I just don't see it being able to do that from day one.

And this system was in fact ready to be launched in the late 70s.... and the week before the deals were to be signed, Notre Dame stabbed everyone else in the back and pulled out of the deal to sign an exclusive deal with NBC because it would be more secure and paid them more money than the CFA was guaranteed to generate at the beginning.

But the top 36 programs in the 70s are not the same ones as today, so there has to be a way to replace teams like SMU that fell off the competitive slate. And it means teams like Boise St, Utah, Baylor, Stanford, Oregon, and others would never had gotten their moment in the sun as they would all have been relegated to playing in the minor leagues.

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Michael

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It's an idea predicated on a false assumption. Nobody wants college football to feature high level competitive matchups every week. Coaches, players, boosters, college presidents, fans, they'd all much rather see the top teams beat Nowhere State 100-0 nine or ten times a year with maybe a couple of competitive rivalry games to round out the schedule. They could figure out a promotion/relegation scheme, there are plenty of models working in sports leagues around the world to copy from. The money wouldn't really be an issue either, it would work itself out. It's a question of will and there is none for that kind of separation.

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[CalwbbFan]

Latest has Cal and Stanford actually going to ACC. Supposedly tomorrow there’s a meeting.. not sure what happens to non-revenue sports though. This entire thing is a drag.

[goforit77]

[calbearman76]

It now appears to be a done deal. Cal, Stanford and SMU to the ACC in football and basketball (men and women).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/sports-world-reacts-to-stunning-acc-realignment/ar-AA1fGNYr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8c81caceb316466e9befb0bed55edee7&ei=5

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[Michael]

Here's the bigger problem, any team NOT in the league of 36 will be faced with the likely decision to eliminate football. The Big Ten contracts without OSU, UMich, PSU, UWisc, USC, UCLA,Oregon, Washington, Iowa and MSU are worth about 20 million per school MAX. Further those schools could vote out the ugly step sisters, invite in the SEC teams that make the cut to 36 and keep all the Big Ten network money for themselves. It would end most schools ability to field teams because they could no longer afford the expenses. It would actually hurt many more programs than it helps and the rich would consolidate power even more at the top and everyone else would slowly fade away.

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[GlennMacGrady]

Don't blame Justices Byron "Whizzer" White or William Rehnquist. They dissented.

The current comic-tragedy of college athletics being dragged all over the country by the scrotum of TV football money is directly the result of the Supreme Court's 1984 decision (7-2) in NCAA v. Board of Regents.

Before then, the right to negotiate TV football games was held by the NCAA, not by individual schools or conferences. To reduce the effects of televised football on educational programs and amateurism, and to spread television among as many NCAA members as possible, the NCAA negotiated TV contracts with ABC and CBS that limited the number of times each year that any school could appear in televised games, that ensured that a lot of smaller schools as well as bigger schools got on TV each year, and that parceled out the TV money in an equitable way among all NCAA members.

The big football schools didn't like this after 30 years or so, and ultimately the universities of Oklahoma and Georgia sued the NCAA on the grounds that its TV plan was anti-competitive under the antitrust laws. The Supreme Court agreed (7-2), essentially holding that each school legally retained its own TV rights and could bargain for whatever TV deal it could get—the NCAA be damned. This opened the legal barn door for every school to embark on an uninhibited, greedy TV football money chase.

Byron White, who had been an All-American football player at Colorado and who had led the NFL in rushing while he was graduating first in his class from Yale Law School, dissented. He was joined in his dissent by William Rehnquist, who had graduated first in his class from Stanford Law School and who two years later would become the Chief Justice.

In his dissent, White presciently wrote:

"The NCAA, in short, 'exist[s] primarily to enhance the contribution made by amateur athletic competition to the process of higher education, as distinguished from realizing maximum return on it as an entertainment commodity.' . . . In pursuing this goal, the organization and its members seek to provide a public good -- a viable system of amateur athletics -- that most likely could not be provided in a perfectly competitive market."

". . . each of these [NCAA] regulations represents a desirable and legitimate attempt 'to keep university athletics from becoming professionalized to the extent that profitmaking objectives would overshadow educational objectives.'"

"I believe that the lower courts [and the majority of this Court] 'erred by subjugating the NCAA's educational goals . . . to the purely competitive commercialism of [an] 'every school for itself' approach to television contract bargaining.'"

"When these values are factored into the balance, the NCAA's television plan seems eminently reasonable. Most fundamentally, the plan fosters the goal of amateurism by spreading revenues among various schools and reducing the financial incentives toward professionalism."

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[Howee]

[linkster]

"Don't give me that do goody good bullshit."

[CalwbbFan]

Well it’s official. Cal, Stanford and SMU to ACC for all sports: https://bearinsider.com/s/3727/bears-are-acc-bound

Edited to add gift link to WAPO piece: https://wapo.st/3r4hHoy

[Howee]

[CalwbbFan]

Gift link to SF Chronicle article on what ACC schedule might look like for Cal and Stanford WBB :

[CalwbbFan]

removed due to formatting issues. My apologies.

[CalwbbFan]

SF Chronicle article on what ACC schedule might look like for Cal and Stanford WBB : removed url

[Queenie]

this round of conference realignment is just the dumbest fucking thing

like

I would like to have a more nuanced view but it's just so fucking dumb

fuck football

that is all

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[CalwbbFan]

Football is no longer a “college” sport. It’s a semi-pro league that licenses college names…I agree, it’s a travesty.

[GlennMacGrady]

[summertime blues]

Football brings in all the $$, followed (distantly) by men's basketball. We are repeatedly told that WBB is "just s niche sport". REPEATEDLY. And I for one an goddamn sick and tired of it.

I'm with Queenie. Screw football.

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[Howee]

(....why has this thread become so w ---- i ---- d ---- e ? ? )

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