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scullyfu
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 Posted: 02/08/23 10:56 am ::: |
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| Wonder who spilled the beans? It’s no secret that Aces players took (some say hefty) salary cuts this season to allegedly keep last year’s champs together for another title run.
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| Posted: 02/08/23 11:01 am ::: |
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| scullyfu wrote: |
| Wonder who spilled the beans? |
Don't know who did it, but the first guess feels pretty obvious.
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| Posted: 02/08/23 11:36 am ::: |
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| My first thought as well.
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| Posted: 02/08/23 12:43 pm ::: |
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| Wonder who spilled the beans? |
Don't know who did it, but the first guess feels pretty obvious. |
Who do you think it was? 🤔
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| Posted: 02/08/23 1:01 pm ::: |
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| This would certainly explain why everyone is abandoning the Storm, whose owners are not as wealthy as others and make as large under-the-counter payments.
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| Posted: 02/08/23 1:23 pm ::: |
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| Wonder who spilled the beans? |
Don't know who did it, but the first guess feels pretty obvious. |
No mystery how this got out (answer: it's the agents). ...From article:" according to those familiar with the allegations, the pattern alleged that the team followed typically involved a high-level member of the Aces instructing the agent of a potential signing — either a free agent, or an Aces player negotiating an extension — that at the conclusion of the phone call between team and agent, the agent would receive a call with an offer for a specific amount of money from a particular, pre-selected company. The work involved would be negligible, according to those familiar with the allegations" .......followed by:" Multiple agents have begun pushing other teams to adopt such arrangements already, three WNBA front office members told The Next".
Look at the Aces salaries. They are paying over $973k for their top 6 players, each of whom will play for way under their real value. This does not count Riq's unguaranteed $149k. Now they have resigned Kia Stokes (very valuable as interior bulwark vs Stew/Jones). i am sure Kia is also playing for well below what she has made in past. These #'s stink.
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| Posted: 02/08/23 1:50 pm ::: |
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| Remember when Hamby said "I was promised things to entice me to sign my contract extension that were not followed through on" in that Instagram statement? If she's *not* one of the sources I'll be surprised.
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| Posted: 02/08/23 2:29 pm ::: |
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| So if the Aces are found guilty of any wrong doing, what is likely to come from it?
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| Posted: 02/08/23 3:40 pm ::: |
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So now im confused ...https://twitter.com/_emcaron/status/1623401508564881409?s=20&t=edU51-4K-lVl8UKZPikjIA
UPDATE: the WNBA confirmed an investigation into the aces, but didn't specify if it included salary cap circumvention.
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the investigation comes after the reigning WNBA champs spent the offseason building a super team with the signings of candace parker + alysha clark in free agency. the aces roster also includes a'ja wilson, chelsea gray, sydney colson, kiah stokes jackie young and kelsey plum. twitter.com/Sportico/statu… |
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| Posted: 02/08/23 4:59 pm ::: |
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2 different tweets, 2 different investigations.
https://twitter.com/alexaphilippou/status/1623398082816663556
A league source confirms to ESPN that the WNBA is investigating allegations of salary cap circumvention by the Las Vegas Aces, confirming
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So now im confused ...https://twitter.com/_emcaron/status/1623401508564881409?s=20&t=edU51-4K-lVl8UKZPikjIA
UPDATE: the WNBA confirmed an investigation into the aces, but didn't specify if it included salary cap circumvention.
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"The WNBA is currently conducting an investigation involving [Las Vegas] in connection with allegations raised in a recent social media post by Dearica Hamby.”
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4h
the investigation comes after the reigning WNBA champs spent the offseason building a super team with the signings of candace parker + alysha clark in free agency. the aces roster also includes a'ja wilson, chelsea gray, sydney colson, kiah stokes jackie young and kelsey plum. twitter.com/Sportico/statu… |
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| Posted: 02/08/23 5:06 pm ::: |
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| what a disgrace – and a fall from grace from an organizational standpoint
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| Posted: 02/08/23 6:05 pm ::: |
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| If found guilty, the Aces should relinquish the 2022 WNBA Championship, be fined 2Mil, management should be suspended for 3 years, lose their next 3 first round draft picks and the Aces players involve should have their contract voided.
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| Posted: 02/08/23 6:08 pm ::: |
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| Such a sense of entitlement from the Aces organization.
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| Posted: 02/08/23 6:51 pm ::: |
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| I'm glad a dime was dropped on the Aces. Nobody should be surprise a team own by Mark "Just Win Baby" Davis is soiled. Watch Davis lay fault at Fargas and Williams when his hands were dirty too.
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| Posted: 02/08/23 7:14 pm ::: |
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Call me stuck in the past but I miss the days when titles were won by good ol' fashioned tanking rather than dodgy payments for fake jobs.
There's a purity about tanking that just can't be replicated by other means.
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| Posted: 02/08/23 7:31 pm ::: |
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| If they have to send Princess back to Chicago! 🤣
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craigmont
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| Posted: 02/08/23 7:54 pm ::: |
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The following penalties are outlined in the CBA:
Fine up to $1M
Forfeiture of draft picks
Voiding of contracts in violation
Suspension of team personnel and player agents for 1 year
Penalties to players are handled by the Players Association but not specified in the CBA.
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| Posted: 02/08/23 8:47 pm ::: |
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Bob Lamm
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| Posted: 02/08/23 8:49 pm ::: |
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| Luuuc wrote: |
Call me stuck in the past but I miss the days when titles were won by good ol' fashioned tanking rather than dodgy payments for fake jobs.
There's a purity about tanking that just can't be replicated by other means. |
There's an article, here, Luuuc, that you need to write. You've already got a great title: "The Purity of Tanking." Can't wait to read the piece.
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| Posted: 02/08/23 9:25 pm ::: |
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| craigmont wrote: |
The following penalties are outlined in the CBA:
Fine up to $1M
Forfeiture of draft picks
Voiding of contracts in violation
Suspension of team personnel and player agents for 1 year
Penalties to players are handled by the Players Association but not specified in the CBA. |
I would really like to see this happen if the allegations are true. For me the most important penalty is voiding the contracts.
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| Posted: 02/08/23 9:49 pm ::: |
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| Buncha haters in this thread. I approve.
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