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| Of course they they usually give it to the big winner, but I would cast my vote for Kenny Brooks or Teri Moren, both of whom inherited teams that were miserable cellar dwellers when they got there and transformed them into winners and places young women want to play.
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| Posted: 03/09/23 6:12 pm ::: |
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LOL Mulkey. LOL Tartamella. LOL Schafer. I’m not even sure if Ivey belongs on that list.
(If I want to get really spicy and get myself banned from ever crossing the borders of South Carolina or Iowa in my life... is meeting expectations with Boston or Clark worthy of a national COY award?)
Which I guess means I’ve picked my finalists, and if I have to go to five, I don’t have strong objections to Ivey, I just wouldn’t give her the award.
But yes, I do look forward to the spectacular fireworks from points northeast of me.
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| Posted: 03/10/23 12:46 pm ::: |
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| is meeting expectations with Boston or Clark worthy of a national COY award? |
The alternative is to say Dawn Staley isn't eligible for the award. What more could she have possibly done?
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| Posted: 03/10/23 2:08 pm ::: |
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| is meeting expectations with Boston or Clark worthy of a national COY award? |
The alternative is to say Dawn Staley isn't eligible for the award. What more could she have possibly done? |
I understand your point, but then just give it to the coach whose team wins the Tournament each year. After all, nobody did any more than that coach, right?
There must be more to it than that.
Maybe it's hard to be enthused for that choice when that particular team is the defending champ and was considered the prohibitive favorite to repeat since last May. Not trying to diminish the job that coach has done, but I guess it's reflected in the National Championship trophy.
There's a lot of ways to look at how these awards should be made.
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| Posted: 03/10/23 2:39 pm ::: |
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| is meeting expectations with Boston or Clark worthy of a national COY award? |
The alternative is to say Dawn Staley isn't eligible for the award. What more could she have possibly done? |
I understand your point, but then just give it to the coach whose team wins the Tournament each year. After all, nobody did any more than that coach, right?
There must be more to it than that.
Maybe it's hard to be enthused for that choice when that particular team is the defending champ and was considered the prohibitive favorite to repeat since last May. Not trying to diminish the job that coach has done, but I guess it's reflected in the National Championship trophy.
There's a lot of ways to look at how these awards should be made. |
For all your warning of diatribes coming from the northeast, the only ones I see are from you. UConn fans know this has not been one of Geno's best years (even though they blame it all on injuries).
I've got three COY on my list: Dawn Staley, Teri Moren and Kenny Brooks. Kenny deserves recognition for sitting his "star" transfer and ending up dominating the ACC. RE: Niele Ivey - ND fans will blame injury for lack of post season success. It's simply that Kenny Brooks has done a better job. The way he got his team back on track after Duke stifled them was masterful.
I really shouldn't have to defend a vote for Dawn Staley, but I will. Absolutely turning S.Carolina into a destination school for top players is part of being a great coach. But it's the fact that she figured out how to use all those great players to dominate Div.1 women's basketball makes her my top pick.
And Teri Moren is another no-brainer. She couldn't get her team past red hot Clarkiowa, but they dominated a tough league all season. Excellent coaching job.
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| Posted: 03/10/23 3:01 pm ::: |
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| pilight wrote: |
| Queenie wrote: |
| is meeting expectations with Boston or Clark worthy of a national COY award? |
The alternative is to say Dawn Staley isn't eligible for the award. What more could she have possibly done? |
I understand your point, but then just give it to the coach whose team wins the Tournament each year. After all, nobody did any more than that coach, right?
There must be more to it than that.
Maybe it's hard to be enthused for that choice when that particular team is the defending champ and was considered the prohibitive favorite to repeat since last May. Not trying to diminish the job that coach has done, but I guess it's reflected in the National Championship trophy.
There's a lot of ways to look at how these awards should be made. |
For all your warning of diatribes coming from the northeast, the only ones I see are from you. UConn fans know this has not been one of Geno's best years (even though they blame it all on injuries).
I've got three COY on my list: Dawn Staley, Teri Moren and Kenny Brooks. Kenny deserves recognition for sitting his "star" transfer and ending up dominating the ACC. RE: Niele Ivey - ND fans will blame injury for lack of post season success. It's simply that Kenny Brooks has done a better job. The way he got his team back on track after Duke stifled them was masterful.
I really shouldn't have to defend a vote for Dawn Staley, but I will. Absolutely turning S.Carolina into a destination school for top players is part of being a great coach. But it's the fact that she figured out how to use all those great players to dominate Div.1 women's basketball makes her my top pick.
And Teri Moren is another no-brainer. She couldn't get her team past red hot Clarkiowa, but they dominated a tough league all season. Excellent coaching job. |
You don't "dominate" the ACC and end up the third seed. I know you're bitter about losing out to ND, but reality is that ND won the season championship - not Duke and not VT. Then ND lost its leading scorer and the best pg in the country and didn’t win the tournament. Stuff happens. But that doesn’t change what Ivey did in overcoming key injuries mid season and working with freshmen and sophomores to win the regular season. Tell me how Kenny had to suffer through with the returning senior POY.
Have you folded your campaign for Lawson? Here was another whole group of voters who disagreed with you.
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| Posted: 03/10/23 3:51 pm ::: |
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| Maybe it's hard to be enthused for that choice when that particular team is the defending champ and was considered the prohibitive favorite to repeat since last May. Not trying to diminish the job that coach has done, but I guess it's reflected in the National Championship trophy. |
I get that. There's a tendency to want to reward people for exceeding expectations. Staley didn't do that because she couldn't.
But they were prohibitive favorites because of Staley. She recruited the players and coached them up. She kept them happy enough to not transfer someplace they could get more minutes and put up more numbers to impress pro scouts. She's reduced her tendency to micromanage in-game situations.
I don't know that I would vote for Staley but the job she did shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.
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| Posted: 03/10/23 4:36 pm ::: |
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| Maybe it's hard to be enthused for that choice when that particular team is the defending champ and was considered the prohibitive favorite to repeat since last May. Not trying to diminish the job that coach has done, but I guess it's reflected in the National Championship trophy. |
I get that. There's a tendency to want to reward people for exceeding expectations. Staley didn't do that because she couldn't.
But they were prohibitive favorites because of Staley. She recruited the players and coached them up. She kept them happy enough to not transfer someplace they could get more minutes and put up more numbers to impress pro scouts. She's reduced her tendency to micromanage in-game situations.
I don't know that I would vote for Staley but the job she did shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. |
I hear what you say. This same issue was on the table every year as Geno dominated WCBB for a couple decades.
Didn't Staley win this last year? Wasn't her recruitment, retention and coaching of these same players acknowledged through that award? She still in it, she's not being dismissed. She might even win it again.
I think I'd probably vote for Moren.
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| Posted: 03/10/23 7:09 pm ::: |
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| I'd vore for Moren.
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| Posted: 03/12/23 6:41 am ::: |
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| Queenie wrote: |
LOL Mulkey. LOL Tartamella. LOL Schafer. I’m not even sure if Ivey belongs on that list.
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To be fair to Ivey, ND did have a losing record before she took over and she currently doesn't have a single player on her roster who played for McGraw (Westbeld and Marshall both committed to McGraw, but when they arrived, Ivey was coach).
ND was picked to finish #4 and ended up winning the regular season conference championship, so there's that, too.
I'm not saying Ivey should win it, but she should be included in the group being considered for it. I wouldn't object to Brooks winning it. I remember back in his first season at Tech that I predicted that he was going to do great things there.
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| Posted: 03/12/23 11:01 am ::: |
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10 Finalists seems like a lot. I can't bring myself to care much over how is the 10th or 11th best coach this year.
Moren should win this in a walk.
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| Posted: 03/12/23 11:15 am ::: |
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| The 10 are the semifinalists
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| Posted: 03/12/23 11:17 am ::: |
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| The 10 are the semifinalists |
My point is still the same.
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| Posted: 03/12/23 7:01 pm ::: |
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| Dawn Staley. DUH!!!
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| Posted: 03/12/23 10:09 pm ::: |
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LOL Mulkey. LOL Tartamella. LOL Schafer. I’m not even sure if Ivey belongs on that list.
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To be fair to Ivey, ND did have a losing record before she took over and she currently doesn't have a single player on her roster who played for McGraw (Westbeld and Marshall both committed to McGraw, but when they arrived, Ivey was coach).
ND was picked to finish #4 and ended up winning the regular season conference championship, so there's that, too.
I'm not saying Ivey should win it, but she should be included in the group being considered for it. I wouldn't object to Brooks winning it. I remember back in his first season at Tech that I predicted that he was going to do great things there. |
LOL. ONE losing season within two decades of winning. Point is Ivey got to continue a winning culture, while coaches like Lawson and Brooks had to create that culture out of thin air. It's funny how ND fans are now DOWN playing McGraw's sustained success in order to promote Ivey. Pretty laughable, really.
Frankly, I love Ivey's success as I love competition. You know your program has had sustained success when other teams define their own success by beating you.
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I only have one thing to say about this:
How is Shauna Green, who took illinois from one Big 10 conference win in 2022 to an 11 seed in the NCAAT in 2023 not a semifinalist for COY?
I guess I have two things:
How is Vic even remotely near this list?
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| Posted: 03/13/23 4:21 pm ::: |
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LOL. ONE losing season within two decades of winning. Point is Ivey got to continue a winning culture |
Hmmm. Duke hasn't had even a single losing season since 1993. That's THIRTY YEARS in a row.
Guess that rules Lawson out.
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