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NoDakSt
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Posted: 12/04/17 2:06 pm ::: The Official 2018 Coaches on the Hotseat thread |
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I haven't we this started yet and it's a year to the date where the 2017 thread started. Almost to the start of conference play.
Let's review last years fsvorites.
Tennessee Holly Warlick
Rutgers C Vic Stringer
Virginia.JoAnne Boyle
Clemson Audra Smith
So Cal. Cynthia Duke-Cooper (who did not retain her position).
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NoDakSt
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Posted: 12/04/17 2:14 pm ::: |
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I think the heat is on in Norman.
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Fighting Artichoke
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Posted: 12/04/17 2:32 pm ::: |
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NoDakSt wrote: |
I think the heat is on in Norman. |
Really? She seems like an institution.
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patsweetpat
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Posted: 12/04/17 4:07 pm ::: |
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Fighting Artichoke wrote: |
NoDakSt wrote: |
I think the heat is on in Norman. |
Really? She seems like an institution. |
I agree. In the 10 seasons preceding Coale's hiring, the Sooners had gone to the NCAA Tournament exactly 1 time (a loss in the 2nd round of the tourney). By contrast, Coale has coached the Sooners to NCAA Tourney appearances in the last 18 consecutive seasons, 3 of which included Final Four runs.
I wouldn't understand the logic behind throwing that away.
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Shmermerer1
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Posted: 12/04/17 6:13 pm ::: |
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patsweetpat wrote: |
Fighting Artichoke wrote: |
NoDakSt wrote: |
I think the heat is on in Norman. |
Really? She seems like an institution. |
I agree. In the 10 seasons preceding Coale's hiring, the Sooners had gone to the NCAA Tournament exactly 1 time (a loss in the 2nd round of the tourney). By contrast, Coale has coached the Sooners to NCAA Tourney appearances in the last 18 consecutive seasons, 3 of which included Final Four runs.
I wouldn't understand the logic behind throwing that away. |
While I agree she isn't on the hot seat, I think she should be. I believe she's one of the highest paid WBB coaches in the country IIRC. The success she has had the past years you could get with a new coach with half the salary. Just saying.
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Shmermerer1
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Posted: 12/04/17 6:31 pm ::: Re: The Official 2018 Coaches on the Hotseat thread |
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NoDakSt wrote: |
I haven't we this started yet and it's a year to the date where the 2017 thread started. Almost to the start of conference play.
Let's review last years fsvorites.
Tennessee Holly Warlick
Rutgers C Vic Stringer
Virginia.JoAnne Boyle
Clemson Audra Smith
So Cal. Cynthia Duke-Cooper (who did not retain her position). |
JoAnne Boule has to be done. Great person, but just doesn't seem to have control of her team. Tons of talent on her roster. No reason to underperform that badly.
I don't see Holly going anywhere Or Stringer.
Clemson and Audra Smith is a tough one. She just hasn't recruited any talent, but does Clemson care enough to do anything about it?
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 12/04/17 6:38 pm ::: Re: The Official 2018 Coaches on the Hotseat thread |
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Shmermerer1 wrote: |
JoAnne Boule has to be done. Great person, but just doesn't seem to have control of her team. Tons of talent on her roster. No reason to underperform that badly.
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You would think so, but every year it's "this will be the year", and then it's not.
Plus there has been some really elite talent in Virginia, and she has attracted none of it to UVA.
But I'm not convinced the AD has any interest in making a change.
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Shmermerer1
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Posted: 12/04/17 6:54 pm ::: Re: The Official 2018 Coaches on the Hotseat thread |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
Shmermerer1 wrote: |
JoAnne Boule has to be done. Great person, but just doesn't seem to have control of her team. Tons of talent on her roster. No reason to underperform that badly.
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You would think so, but every year it's "this will be the year", and then it's not.
Plus there has been some really elite talent in Virginia, and she has attracted none of it to UVA.
But I'm not convinced the AD has any interest in making a change. |
I think this is the year if she doesn't make the tournament, which I don't think they will. I will say they should have been in last year. They got screwed in my opinion.
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#Occasionalwnbafan
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Posted: 12/04/17 6:56 pm ::: |
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Shmermerer1 wrote: |
patsweetpat wrote: |
Fighting Artichoke wrote: |
NoDakSt wrote: |
I think the heat is on in Norman. |
Really? She seems like an institution. |
I agree. In the 10 seasons preceding Coale's hiring, the Sooners had gone to the NCAA Tournament exactly 1 time (a loss in the 2nd round of the tourney). By contrast, Coale has coached the Sooners to NCAA Tourney appearances in the last 18 consecutive seasons, 3 of which included Final Four runs.
I wouldn't understand the logic behind throwing that away. |
While I agree she isn't on the hot seat, I think she should be. I believe she's one of the highest paid WBB coaches in the country IIRC. The success she has had the past years you could get with a new coach with half the salary. Just saying. |
Comes down to recruiting, at one time OU could get a few top 50th kids in one class, now getting a kid in the top 150 is a challenge. Sherri only goes after a "specific" type of kid, and if that player isn't that, they're normally not a match for OU. |
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Posted: 12/04/17 7:08 pm ::: |
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#Occasionalwnbafan wrote: |
Shmermerer1 wrote: |
patsweetpat wrote: |
Fighting Artichoke wrote: |
NoDakSt wrote: |
I think the heat is on in Norman. |
Really? She seems like an institution. |
I agree. In the 10 seasons preceding Coale's hiring, the Sooners had gone to the NCAA Tournament exactly 1 time (a loss in the 2nd round of the tourney). By contrast, Coale has coached the Sooners to NCAA Tourney appearances in the last 18 consecutive seasons, 3 of which included Final Four runs.
I wouldn't understand the logic behind throwing that away. |
While I agree she isn't on the hot seat, I think she should be. I believe she's one of the highest paid WBB coaches in the country IIRC. The success she has had the past years you could get with a new coach with half the salary. Just saying. |
Comes down to recruiting, at one time OU could get a few top 50th kids in one class, now getting a kid in the top 150 is a challenge. Sherri only goes after a "specific" type of kid, and if that player isn't that, they're normally not a match for OU. |
Every year the past few years she has gotten at least one top 50 kid even a few in the top 20. Nancy Mulkey, Gabrielle Ortiz, and another one that transferred as well. She has plenty of talent compared to other programs in the top 25. I don't see it being a challenge for her. She has elite players coming in next year and I believe the following year as well. Bottom line is they underperform with the talent they have.
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dinkytown
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Posted: 12/04/17 7:21 pm ::: |
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Stringer just signed a 4 year extension. Rutgers already has more wins than last year and they should win at least a handful in the Big Ten. I think she'll be at Rutgers until she retires.
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NoDakSt
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Posted: 12/04/17 7:25 pm ::: |
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SMS at Pitt. Hasn't done much in quite some time.
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StevenHW
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Posted: 12/04/17 7:31 pm ::: |
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She may not be on the Hot Seat now, but June Daugherty's contract at Washington State runs out after the 2018-19 season. I have a hunch they will not renew her when the contract expires.
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Posted: 12/04/17 7:40 pm ::: |
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Please please please can the Gophers get rid of Stollings?
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Posted: 12/04/17 8:09 pm ::: |
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Dare I say it now... Versyp?
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patsweetpat
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Posted: 12/04/17 8:13 pm ::: |
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Shmermerer1 wrote: |
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote: |
Shmermerer1 wrote: |
patsweetpat wrote: |
Fighting Artichoke wrote: |
NoDakSt wrote: |
I think the heat is on in Norman. |
Really? She seems like an institution. |
I agree. In the 10 seasons preceding Coale's hiring, the Sooners had gone to the NCAA Tournament exactly 1 time (a loss in the 2nd round of the tourney). By contrast, Coale has coached the Sooners to NCAA Tourney appearances in the last 18 consecutive seasons, 3 of which included Final Four runs.
I wouldn't understand the logic behind throwing that away. |
While I agree she isn't on the hot seat, I think she should be. I believe she's one of the highest paid WBB coaches in the country IIRC. The success she has had the past years you could get with a new coach with half the salary. Just saying. |
Comes down to recruiting, at one time OU could get a few top 50th kids in one class, now getting a kid in the top 150 is a challenge. Sherri only goes after a "specific" type of kid, and if that player isn't that, they're normally not a match for OU. |
Every year the past few years she has gotten at least one top 50 kid even a few in the top 20. Nancy Mulkey, Gabrielle Ortiz, and another one that transferred as well. She has plenty of talent compared to other programs in the top 25. I don't see it being a challenge for her. She has elite players coming in next year and I believe the following year as well. Bottom line is they underperform with the talent they have. |
"Underperform" is such a tricky word, imo. Do Coale's Sooners "underperform" when compared to OU's historical standard prior to Coale's arrival? Not by the faintest stretch. Do Coale's Sooners "underperform" when compared to the theoretical W/L record one might expect from the players that she's recruited? Maybe or maybe not, I genuinely don't know. But if Coale's recruiting were to suddenly take a nosedive and the Sooners were to somehow post a similar record, would that mean that the Sooners have then "overperformed"?
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patsweetpat
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Posted: 12/04/17 8:26 pm ::: |
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StevenHW wrote: |
She may not be on the Hot Seat now, but June Daugherty's contract at Washington State runs out after the 2018-19 season. I have a hunch they will not renew her when the contract expires. |
As mediocre as Wazzu has been under Daugherty, these past few seasons are actually a solid improvement on where Cougar basketball was prior to June's arrival, and amounts to one of WSU's better eras in its entire history as a Pac-10/12 wbb program.
Also, fwiw, Daugherty's coaching bio says that she signed a contract extension through the 2021-2022 season.
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Shmermerer1
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Posted: 12/04/17 8:27 pm ::: |
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patsweetpat wrote: |
Shmermerer1 wrote: |
#Occasionalwnbafan wrote: |
Shmermerer1 wrote: |
patsweetpat wrote: |
Fighting Artichoke wrote: |
NoDakSt wrote: |
I think the heat is on in Norman. |
Really? She seems like an institution. |
I agree. In the 10 seasons preceding Coale's hiring, the Sooners had gone to the NCAA Tournament exactly 1 time (a loss in the 2nd round of the tourney). By contrast, Coale has coached the Sooners to NCAA Tourney appearances in the last 18 consecutive seasons, 3 of which included Final Four runs.
I wouldn't understand the logic behind throwing that away. |
While I agree she isn't on the hot seat, I think she should be. I believe she's one of the highest paid WBB coaches in the country IIRC. The success she has had the past years you could get with a new coach with half the salary. Just saying. |
Comes down to recruiting, at one time OU could get a few top 50th kids in one class, now getting a kid in the top 150 is a challenge. Sherri only goes after a "specific" type of kid, and if that player isn't that, they're normally not a match for OU. |
Every year the past few years she has gotten at least one top 50 kid even a few in the top 20. Nancy Mulkey, Gabrielle Ortiz, and another one that transferred as well. She has plenty of talent compared to other programs in the top 25. I don't see it being a challenge for her. She has elite players coming in next year and I believe the following year as well. Bottom line is they underperform with the talent they have. |
"Underperform" is such a tricky word, imo. Do Coale's Sooners "underperform" when compared to OU's historical standard prior to Coale's arrival? Not by the faintest stretch. Do Coale's Sooners "underperform" when compared to the theoretical W/L record one might expect from the players that she's recruited? Maybe or maybe not, I genuinely don't know. But if Coale's recruiting were to suddenly take a nosedive and the Sooners were to somehow post a similar record, would that mean that the Sooners have then "overperformed"? |
Compared to years prior to her, yes they are doing good. Except this year. I do think with the talent she has this year, they are underperforming. They lost to a bad little Rock team and a bad Florida team. She has several top 100 recruits on her roster. But from my previous statement, I believe she's one of the highest paid coaches. From that standpoint as an AD, I would expect much better results.
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Posted: 12/04/17 9:24 pm ::: |
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And Nikki Caldwell has still yet to produce anything at LSU and her job is still safe ? Shes one of the biggest discussions year after year . Im sure Coach Gunter is turning over in her grave .
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NoDakSt
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Posted: 12/04/17 10:12 pm ::: |
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Candi Whittaker at Texas Tech.
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pilight
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Posted: 12/04/17 10:19 pm ::: |
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WNBA 09 wrote: |
And Nikki Caldwell has still yet to produce anything at LSU and her job is still safe ? Shes one of the biggest discussions year after year . Im sure Coach Gunter is turning over in her grave . |
I can't see why. Caldwell's seasons would fit seamlessly into Gunter's career (other than Gunter's last two seasons when Chatman was the de facto coach).
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