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PostPosted: 01/05/25 7:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Women's basketball has changed so much in the last 25 years and as a result the skills needed to be a top coach have as well. Gail G was a very good recruiter (in part because she was at Duke) and developer of talent. She was a good game coach. Overall I think she was very good but not quite at the elite level. But while she was a good fit at Duke (at least for the first decade) she didn't fit at Texas. This was part personality, part UT weirdness and part the changing game (and the changing players.)

Hmmm. Then, that begs the question: What constitutes "elite" among wbb coaches? Yeah, yeah: Pat, Geno, Tara. But imo, coaches who have been in 4 FFs including 2 finals games, AND been Conference winner at least 7 times (IN a Power Conference, not Podunk West) qualifies as elite. The Hall of Fame reinforces that for GG, too.

Heck, I think Sherri Coale was among the elite - until she wasn't. 3 FFs, 1 final appearance, several Big 12 titles, etc., makes her more accomplished than 90% of coaches in the game. Call me biased, but I think of Kelly Graves as up there, in the air of elites: First ever to take 2 different clubs to EEs, his multiple PAC 12 & WCC titles, Coach of the Year several times in both....this ain't a run o' the mill coach.



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Michael wrote:
Howee wrote:
Michael wrote:
Howee wrote:
Michael wrote:
Gail G was mediocre for years at Duke until she got lucky with the Purdue transfers and was then able to keep it rolling after getting to the FF. Once she left that sweet setup in Duke, she went back to being the mediocre coach she always was.
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You 'n I have VERY different definitions of "mediocre". This kinda record is NOT mediocre, nor is it achieved with a coupla Purdue transfers, whoever they may be.
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At Duke, Goestenkors received recognition as the ACC Coach of the Year a record 7 times In the 2001–02 season, Goestenkors led the Blue Devils to the first undefeated regular season in ACC women's basketball history — a feat she repeated two more times during her tenure at Duke (2003, 2007). During her final ten seasons at Duke, Goestenkors led the Blue Devils to NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen appearances every year, seven Elite Eight appearances, four Final Four appearances, and two appearances in the NCAA Championship game. During her tenure, her teams won five ACC tournament championships and eight ACC regular season titles. Goestenkors holds the ACC record for fewest games required to achieve 300 wins (387 games).


But was it her or was it being at Duke with the recognition she got from the title run in 99? Before that, she was mediocre. Once she left Duke, she returned to mediocre. Van Gorp and Ericson created the belief she was an elite coach. She capitalized on this, but always seemed to come up short in the NCAA tournament. So which is the real GG? Pre transfers and UTx or the illusion she created around herself after the finals run?
Curry at Purdue walked into a similar situation and gradually her results slid. After going to TxTech and then Alabama she has labored in obscurity for almost 20 years. She also has shown herself to be mostly a mediocre coach, although this season shows she might have finally learned enough to be a little better than mediocre.


Nope. Just "No". Her w/l record started looking great in just her 3rd year at Duke. And she was in a second NC final ('06), never mind all the FFs. GG didn't just 'get attention' cuz she had a couple of stars. Her record speaks for itself. Now, TEXAS was another totally different culture - her lack of success there wasn't about her coaching skills.

Now, Ms. Currie? Definitely more aligned with mediocrity. I doubt you could find any 2 other people who know the game that might compare GG with Kristi as equals.


Agree to disagree. GG was a talent collector at Duke that benefited from riding coach K's coattails and the notoriety from Van Gorp and Ericson. Her abhorrent use of an injured Hunter ruining her for basketball just to try and get deeper in the NCAA's totally soured me on her forever and there are reasons she was never offered another head coaching job after Texas.


WRONG AGAIN! Coach G did not "ruin" Brittany Hunter's career - Brittany did that all by herself. Despite clear instructions from docs and trainers, Brittany went to parties, went out dancing and generally did exactly the opposite of what was needed to heal. People who know absolutely NOTHING about what actually happened should keep their opinion to themselves. I was there. I knew Brittany's family - ate meals with them. Brittany was spotted at all kinds of places she wasn't supposed to be at. THAT is why her knee never healed. It had absolutely nothing to do with Coach G - unless you just want to hate on her for not preventing Brttany from being a stupid college kid.



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readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Michael wrote:
Howee wrote:
Michael wrote:
Howee wrote:
Michael wrote:
Gail G was mediocre for years at Duke until she got lucky with the Purdue transfers and was then able to keep it rolling after getting to the FF. Once she left that sweet setup in Duke, she went back to being the mediocre coach she always was.
🤪😂🤣
You 'n I have VERY different definitions of "mediocre". This kinda record is NOT mediocre, nor is it achieved with a coupla Purdue transfers, whoever they may be.
Quote:
At Duke, Goestenkors received recognition as the ACC Coach of the Year a record 7 times In the 2001–02 season, Goestenkors led the Blue Devils to the first undefeated regular season in ACC women's basketball history — a feat she repeated two more times during her tenure at Duke (2003, 2007). During her final ten seasons at Duke, Goestenkors led the Blue Devils to NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen appearances every year, seven Elite Eight appearances, four Final Four appearances, and two appearances in the NCAA Championship game. During her tenure, her teams won five ACC tournament championships and eight ACC regular season titles. Goestenkors holds the ACC record for fewest games required to achieve 300 wins (387 games).


But was it her or was it being at Duke with the recognition she got from the title run in 99? Before that, she was mediocre. Once she left Duke, she returned to mediocre. Van Gorp and Ericson created the belief she was an elite coach. She capitalized on this, but always seemed to come up short in the NCAA tournament. So which is the real GG? Pre transfers and UTx or the illusion she created around herself after the finals run?
Curry at Purdue walked into a similar situation and gradually her results slid. After going to TxTech and then Alabama she has labored in obscurity for almost 20 years. She also has shown herself to be mostly a mediocre coach, although this season shows she might have finally learned enough to be a little better than mediocre.


Nope. Just "No". Her w/l record started looking great in just her 3rd year at Duke. And she was in a second NC final ('06), never mind all the FFs. GG didn't just 'get attention' cuz she had a couple of stars. Her record speaks for itself. Now, TEXAS was another totally different culture - her lack of success there wasn't about her coaching skills.

Now, Ms. Currie? Definitely more aligned with mediocrity. I doubt you could find any 2 other people who know the game that might compare GG with Kristi as equals.


Agree to disagree. GG was a talent collector at Duke that benefited from riding coach K's coattails and the notoriety from Van Gorp and Ericson. Her abhorrent use of an injured Hunter ruining her for basketball just to try and get deeper in the NCAA's totally soured me on her forever and there are reasons she was never offered another head coaching job after Texas.


WRONG AGAIN! Coach G did not "ruin" Brittany Hunter's career - Brittany did that all by herself. Despite clear instructions from docs and trainers, Brittany went to parties, went out dancing and generally did exactly the opposite of what was needed to heal. People who know absolutely NOTHING about what actually happened should keep their opinion to themselves. I was there. I knew Brittany's family - ate meals with them. Brittany was spotted at all kinds of places she wasn't supposed to be at. THAT is why her knee never healed. It had absolutely nothing to do with Coach G - unless you just want to hate on her for not preventing Brttany from being a stupid college kid.


Also, you don't know Coach G wasn't offered another head coaching position. I happen to know for fact that Coach G did not pursue another head coaching job after the Texas fiasco. At least you've now confessed why you hate her so much, even though it's based on completely false information. As if I didn't already know this, you're just a hater who forms opinions based solely on personal bias. Don't let actual facts get in the way of your hate.



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PostPosted: 01/05/25 9:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

readyAIMfire53 wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Michael wrote:
Howee wrote:
Michael wrote:
Howee wrote:
Michael wrote:
Gail G was mediocre for years at Duke until she got lucky with the Purdue transfers and was then able to keep it rolling after getting to the FF. Once she left that sweet setup in Duke, she went back to being the mediocre coach she always was.
🤪😂🤣
You 'n I have VERY different definitions of "mediocre". This kinda record is NOT mediocre, nor is it achieved with a coupla Purdue transfers, whoever they may be.
Quote:
At Duke, Goestenkors received recognition as the ACC Coach of the Year a record 7 times In the 2001–02 season, Goestenkors led the Blue Devils to the first undefeated regular season in ACC women's basketball history — a feat she repeated two more times during her tenure at Duke (2003, 2007). During her final ten seasons at Duke, Goestenkors led the Blue Devils to NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen appearances every year, seven Elite Eight appearances, four Final Four appearances, and two appearances in the NCAA Championship game. During her tenure, her teams won five ACC tournament championships and eight ACC regular season titles. Goestenkors holds the ACC record for fewest games required to achieve 300 wins (387 games).


But was it her or was it being at Duke with the recognition she got from the title run in 99? Before that, she was mediocre. Once she left Duke, she returned to mediocre. Van Gorp and Ericson created the belief she was an elite coach. She capitalized on this, but always seemed to come up short in the NCAA tournament. So which is the real GG? Pre transfers and UTx or the illusion she created around herself after the finals run?
Curry at Purdue walked into a similar situation and gradually her results slid. After going to TxTech and then Alabama she has labored in obscurity for almost 20 years. She also has shown herself to be mostly a mediocre coach, although this season shows she might have finally learned enough to be a little better than mediocre.


Nope. Just "No". Her w/l record started looking great in just her 3rd year at Duke. And she was in a second NC final ('06), never mind all the FFs. GG didn't just 'get attention' cuz she had a couple of stars. Her record speaks for itself. Now, TEXAS was another totally different culture - her lack of success there wasn't about her coaching skills.

Now, Ms. Currie? Definitely more aligned with mediocrity. I doubt you could find any 2 other people who know the game that might compare GG with Kristi as equals.


Agree to disagree. GG was a talent collector at Duke that benefited from riding coach K's coattails and the notoriety from Van Gorp and Ericson. Her abhorrent use of an injured Hunter ruining her for basketball just to try and get deeper in the NCAA's totally soured me on her forever and there are reasons she was never offered another head coaching job after Texas.


WRONG AGAIN! Coach G did not "ruin" Brittany Hunter's career - Brittany did that all by herself. Despite clear instructions from docs and trainers, Brittany went to parties, went out dancing and generally did exactly the opposite of what was needed to heal. People who know absolutely NOTHING about what actually happened should keep their opinion to themselves. I was there. I knew Brittany's family - ate meals with them. Brittany was spotted at all kinds of places she wasn't supposed to be at. THAT is why her knee never healed. It had absolutely nothing to do with Coach G - unless you just want to hate on her for not preventing Brttany from being a stupid college kid.


Also, you don't know Coach G wasn't offered another head coaching position. I happen to know for fact that Coach G did not pursue another head coaching job after the Texas fiasco. At least you've now confessed why you hate her so much, even though it's based on completely false information. As if I didn't already know this, you're just a hater who forms opinions based solely on personal bias. Don't let actual facts get in the way of your hate.


i conversed a couple of times with Hunter's father on a message board who was not shy about talking about how much pressure GG put on Hunter to keep playing on that torn up knee. You may be right Hunter slacked on her rehab, I don't know. I do know her father blamed GG for pressuring Hunter to play injured further damaging her knee and I do know she was never close to that same player again.



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Michael wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Michael wrote:
Howee wrote:
Michael wrote:
Howee wrote:
Michael wrote:
Gail G was mediocre for years at Duke until she got lucky with the Purdue transfers and was then able to keep it rolling after getting to the FF. Once she left that sweet setup in Duke, she went back to being the mediocre coach she always was.
🤪😂🤣
You 'n I have VERY different definitions of "mediocre". This kinda record is NOT mediocre, nor is it achieved with a coupla Purdue transfers, whoever they may be.
Quote:
At Duke, Goestenkors received recognition as the ACC Coach of the Year a record 7 times In the 2001–02 season, Goestenkors led the Blue Devils to the first undefeated regular season in ACC women's basketball history — a feat she repeated two more times during her tenure at Duke (2003, 2007). During her final ten seasons at Duke, Goestenkors led the Blue Devils to NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen appearances every year, seven Elite Eight appearances, four Final Four appearances, and two appearances in the NCAA Championship game. During her tenure, her teams won five ACC tournament championships and eight ACC regular season titles. Goestenkors holds the ACC record for fewest games required to achieve 300 wins (387 games).


But was it her or was it being at Duke with the recognition she got from the title run in 99? Before that, she was mediocre. Once she left Duke, she returned to mediocre. Van Gorp and Ericson created the belief she was an elite coach. She capitalized on this, but always seemed to come up short in the NCAA tournament. So which is the real GG? Pre transfers and UTx or the illusion she created around herself after the finals run?
Curry at Purdue walked into a similar situation and gradually her results slid. After going to TxTech and then Alabama she has labored in obscurity for almost 20 years. She also has shown herself to be mostly a mediocre coach, although this season shows she might have finally learned enough to be a little better than mediocre.


Nope. Just "No". Her w/l record started looking great in just her 3rd year at Duke. And she was in a second NC final ('06), never mind all the FFs. GG didn't just 'get attention' cuz she had a couple of stars. Her record speaks for itself. Now, TEXAS was another totally different culture - her lack of success there wasn't about her coaching skills.

Now, Ms. Currie? Definitely more aligned with mediocrity. I doubt you could find any 2 other people who know the game that might compare GG with Kristi as equals.


Agree to disagree. GG was a talent collector at Duke that benefited from riding coach K's coattails and the notoriety from Van Gorp and Ericson. Her abhorrent use of an injured Hunter ruining her for basketball just to try and get deeper in the NCAA's totally soured me on her forever and there are reasons she was never offered another head coaching job after Texas.


WRONG AGAIN! Coach G did not "ruin" Brittany Hunter's career - Brittany did that all by herself. Despite clear instructions from docs and trainers, Brittany went to parties, went out dancing and generally did exactly the opposite of what was needed to heal. People who know absolutely NOTHING about what actually happened should keep their opinion to themselves. I was there. I knew Brittany's family - ate meals with them. Brittany was spotted at all kinds of places she wasn't supposed to be at. THAT is why her knee never healed. It had absolutely nothing to do with Coach G - unless you just want to hate on her for not preventing Brttany from being a stupid college kid.


Also, you don't know Coach G wasn't offered another head coaching position. I happen to know for fact that Coach G did not pursue another head coaching job after the Texas fiasco. At least you've now confessed why you hate her so much, even though it's based on completely false information. As if I didn't already know this, you're just a hater who forms opinions based solely on personal bias. Don't let actual facts get in the way of your hate.


i conversed a couple of times with Hunter's father on a message board who was not shy about talking about how much pressure GG put on Hunter to keep playing on that torn up knee. You may be right Hunter slacked on her rehab, I don't know. I do know her father blamed GG for pressuring Hunter to play injured further damaging her knee and I do know she was never close to that same player again.


So, based on a MESSAGE BOARD conversation with a person stating he was her father, you take his word???? How gullible are you? PS: clearly you ARE gullible, I just don't know how much. Now let's put this anonymous "word" with the MANY people who saw Brittany partying all over town. This is the basis of all your hate against Coach G? If your "evidence" were any weaker, it would be pure water. I did mention I had meals with Brittany's family, right? So I actually know Brittany's dad in real life. As opposed to you reading something on a message BOARD by a person saying they were Brittany's dad.

Haters are gonna hate, even when all evidence points the opposite direction.



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PostPosted: 01/06/25 12:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Michael wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Michael wrote:
Howee wrote:
Michael wrote:
Howee wrote:
Michael wrote:
Gail G was mediocre for years at Duke until she got lucky with the Purdue transfers and was then able to keep it rolling after getting to the FF. Once she left that sweet setup in Duke, she went back to being the mediocre coach she always was.
🤪😂🤣
You 'n I have VERY different definitions of "mediocre". This kinda record is NOT mediocre, nor is it achieved with a coupla Purdue transfers, whoever they may be.
Quote:
At Duke, Goestenkors received recognition as the ACC Coach of the Year a record 7 times In the 2001–02 season, Goestenkors led the Blue Devils to the first undefeated regular season in ACC women's basketball history — a feat she repeated two more times during her tenure at Duke (2003, 2007). During her final ten seasons at Duke, Goestenkors led the Blue Devils to NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen appearances every year, seven Elite Eight appearances, four Final Four appearances, and two appearances in the NCAA Championship game. During her tenure, her teams won five ACC tournament championships and eight ACC regular season titles. Goestenkors holds the ACC record for fewest games required to achieve 300 wins (387 games).


But was it her or was it being at Duke with the recognition she got from the title run in 99? Before that, she was mediocre. Once she left Duke, she returned to mediocre. Van Gorp and Ericson created the belief she was an elite coach. She capitalized on this, but always seemed to come up short in the NCAA tournament. So which is the real GG? Pre transfers and UTx or the illusion she created around herself after the finals run?
Curry at Purdue walked into a similar situation and gradually her results slid. After going to TxTech and then Alabama she has labored in obscurity for almost 20 years. She also has shown herself to be mostly a mediocre coach, although this season shows she might have finally learned enough to be a little better than mediocre.


Nope. Just "No". Her w/l record started looking great in just her 3rd year at Duke. And she was in a second NC final ('06), never mind all the FFs. GG didn't just 'get attention' cuz she had a couple of stars. Her record speaks for itself. Now, TEXAS was another totally different culture - her lack of success there wasn't about her coaching skills.

Now, Ms. Currie? Definitely more aligned with mediocrity. I doubt you could find any 2 other people who know the game that might compare GG with Kristi as equals.


Agree to disagree. GG was a talent collector at Duke that benefited from riding coach K's coattails and the notoriety from Van Gorp and Ericson. Her abhorrent use of an injured Hunter ruining her for basketball just to try and get deeper in the NCAA's totally soured me on her forever and there are reasons she was never offered another head coaching job after Texas.


WRONG AGAIN! Coach G did not "ruin" Brittany Hunter's career - Brittany did that all by herself. Despite clear instructions from docs and trainers, Brittany went to parties, went out dancing and generally did exactly the opposite of what was needed to heal. People who know absolutely NOTHING about what actually happened should keep their opinion to themselves. I was there. I knew Brittany's family - ate meals with them. Brittany was spotted at all kinds of places she wasn't supposed to be at. THAT is why her knee never healed. It had absolutely nothing to do with Coach G - unless you just want to hate on her for not preventing Brttany from being a stupid college kid.


Also, you don't know Coach G wasn't offered another head coaching position. I happen to know for fact that Coach G did not pursue another head coaching job after the Texas fiasco. At least you've now confessed why you hate her so much, even though it's based on completely false information. As if I didn't already know this, you're just a hater who forms opinions based solely on personal bias. Don't let actual facts get in the way of your hate.


i conversed a couple of times with Hunter's father on a message board who was not shy about talking about how much pressure GG put on Hunter to keep playing on that torn up knee. You may be right Hunter slacked on her rehab, I don't know. I do know her father blamed GG for pressuring Hunter to play injured further damaging her knee and I do know she was never close to that same player again.


So, based on a MESSAGE BOARD conversation with a person stating he was her father, you take his word???? How gullible are you? PS: clearly you ARE gullible, I just don't know how much. Now let's put this anonymous "word" with the MANY people who saw Brittany partying all over town. This is the basis of all your hate against Coach G? If your "evidence" were any weaker, it would be pure water. I did mention I had meals with Brittany's family, right? So I actually know Brittany's dad in real life. As opposed to you reading something on a message BOARD by a person saying they were Brittany's dad.

Haters are gonna hate, even when all evidence points the opposite direction.


Never discounted she may have shirked her rehab. BUT GG urged her to play on torn ligaments further damaging that knee. THAT to me is unconscionable..... your mileage obviously varies as you side with the coach that knew better and lay all blame on the 20 year old acting like a 20 year old.

Also, several other posters accepted that the poster was indeed Hunter's father and he did have information that seemed likely only available to someone very close to the situation.



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You can talk, you can bicker
You can bicker you can talk
you can talk talk talk talk
Bicker bicker bicker bicker talk talk talk
You can talk talk talk but it's different than it was
Yes it is
No it ain't
Yes it is
No it ain't but you gotta know the territory---

from "The Music Man", and I don't know why, but this popped into my head reading this ridiculous back-and-forth about Coach Goestenkors. Times have changed, but that is kind of a constant...except that now social media has entered the picture. Y'all can keep bickering if you want, but it doesn't change a thing,



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Marquette Fan wrote:
What about Carolyn Kieger at Penn State? She hasn't made the NCAA Tournament yet in her 5 seasons at PSU and they are 0-3 in conference so far this season. I don't wish her any ill will for leaving Marquette but would think realistically she has to be on the hot seat at this point.


I was so surprised she left her alma mater to go to PSU in the first place.


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Barrier worked for Tony Kemper at Marshall. She was at JMU in 22-23 and 23-24. Kim Caldwell was only at Marshall in 23-24 before heading to Tennessee.

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Lexie Barrier left JMU (she was a GA, I think) to be an AC Marshall., then came back to JMU as an AC. She's now an AC at Tennessee with (ugh) the same coach she was under at Marshall.


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thefutureisbright wrote:
Barrier worked for Tony Kemper at Marshall. She was at JMU in 22-23 and 23-24. Kim Caldwell was only at Marshall in 23-24 before heading to Tennessee.

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Lexie Barrier left JMU (she was a GA, I think) to be an AC Marshall., then came back to JMU as an AC. She's now an AC at Tennessee with (ugh) the same coach she was under at Marshall.


You forget that Lexie is a JMU alum. She played there for 4 years.



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Michael wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Michael wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Michael wrote:
Howee wrote:
Michael wrote:
Howee wrote:
Michael wrote:
Gail G was mediocre for years at Duke until she got lucky with the Purdue transfers and was then able to keep it rolling after getting to the FF. Once she left that sweet setup in Duke, she went back to being the mediocre coach she always was.
🤪😂🤣
You 'n I have VERY different definitions of "mediocre". This kinda record is NOT mediocre, nor is it achieved with a coupla Purdue transfers, whoever they may be.
Quote:
At Duke, Goestenkors received recognition as the ACC Coach of the Year a record 7 times In the 2001–02 season, Goestenkors led the Blue Devils to the first undefeated regular season in ACC women's basketball history — a feat she repeated two more times during her tenure at Duke (2003, 2007). During her final ten seasons at Duke, Goestenkors led the Blue Devils to NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen appearances every year, seven Elite Eight appearances, four Final Four appearances, and two appearances in the NCAA Championship game. During her tenure, her teams won five ACC tournament championships and eight ACC regular season titles. Goestenkors holds the ACC record for fewest games required to achieve 300 wins (387 games).


But was it her or was it being at Duke with the recognition she got from the title run in 99? Before that, she was mediocre. Once she left Duke, she returned to mediocre. Van Gorp and Ericson created the belief she was an elite coach. She capitalized on this, but always seemed to come up short in the NCAA tournament. So which is the real GG? Pre transfers and UTx or the illusion she created around herself after the finals run?
Curry at Purdue walked into a similar situation and gradually her results slid. After going to TxTech and then Alabama she has labored in obscurity for almost 20 years. She also has shown herself to be mostly a mediocre coach, although this season shows she might have finally learned enough to be a little better than mediocre.


Nope. Just "No". Her w/l record started looking great in just her 3rd year at Duke. And she was in a second NC final ('06), never mind all the FFs. GG didn't just 'get attention' cuz she had a couple of stars. Her record speaks for itself. Now, TEXAS was another totally different culture - her lack of success there wasn't about her coaching skills.

Now, Ms. Currie? Definitely more aligned with mediocrity. I doubt you could find any 2 other people who know the game that might compare GG with Kristi as equals.


Agree to disagree. GG was a talent collector at Duke that benefited from riding coach K's coattails and the notoriety from Van Gorp and Ericson. Her abhorrent use of an injured Hunter ruining her for basketball just to try and get deeper in the NCAA's totally soured me on her forever and there are reasons she was never offered another head coaching job after Texas.


WRONG AGAIN! Coach G did not "ruin" Brittany Hunter's career - Brittany did that all by herself. Despite clear instructions from docs and trainers, Brittany went to parties, went out dancing and generally did exactly the opposite of what was needed to heal. People who know absolutely NOTHING about what actually happened should keep their opinion to themselves. I was there. I knew Brittany's family - ate meals with them. Brittany was spotted at all kinds of places she wasn't supposed to be at. THAT is why her knee never healed. It had absolutely nothing to do with Coach G - unless you just want to hate on her for not preventing Brttany from being a stupid college kid.


Also, you don't know Coach G wasn't offered another head coaching position. I happen to know for fact that Coach G did not pursue another head coaching job after the Texas fiasco. At least you've now confessed why you hate her so much, even though it's based on completely false information. As if I didn't already know this, you're just a hater who forms opinions based solely on personal bias. Don't let actual facts get in the way of your hate.


i conversed a couple of times with Hunter's father on a message board who was not shy about talking about how much pressure GG put on Hunter to keep playing on that torn up knee. You may be right Hunter slacked on her rehab, I don't know. I do know her father blamed GG for pressuring Hunter to play injured further damaging her knee and I do know she was never close to that same player again.


So, based on a MESSAGE BOARD conversation with a person stating he was her father, you take his word???? How gullible are you? PS: clearly you ARE gullible, I just don't know how much. Now let's put this anonymous "word" with the MANY people who saw Brittany partying all over town. This is the basis of all your hate against Coach G? If your "evidence" were any weaker, it would be pure water. I did mention I had meals with Brittany's family, right? So I actually know Brittany's dad in real life. As opposed to you reading something on a message BOARD by a person saying they were Brittany's dad.

Haters are gonna hate, even when all evidence points the opposite direction.


Never discounted she may have shirked her rehab. BUT GG urged her to play on torn ligaments further damaging that knee. THAT to me is unconscionable..... your mileage obviously varies as you side with the coach that knew better and lay all blame on the 20 year old acting like a 20 year old.

Also, several other posters accepted that the poster was indeed Hunter's father and he did have information that seemed likely only available to someone very close to the situation.


You've gone WAY over the line here - presenting something posted on an anonymous message board as truth. It is completely ridiculous to state that a Div 1 coach urged a player to play when the player had torn ligaments. NOBODY would do that, least of all a Div 1 coach. IT IS fICTION. Did not happen. You continue to believe an anonymous message board statement over anything resembling common sense. And, yes, the message board statement IS anonymous as there is no way to verify that it was Brittany's father. Even if it truly was her father (step father actually). what parent is not going to defend their child, whether it's true or not.

AGAIN, Nobody would urge a player with torn ligaments to keep playing. All the hate based on nothing but the desire to hate on certain people for no reason.



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So do we judge coaches by their best moments or their worst?

Sometimes it all comes together at a certain place and time, and the combination of coach, players and school fits perfectly. Then, somewhere else, the same coach struggles.

It's not a given that a different coach would have fit so perfectly in the first situation, so credit must be given. But how much is subtracted for struggles elsewhere?



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Hottest Seats

Robin Pingeton
Coquese Washington
Joni Taylor
Mike Neighbors
Kelly Rae Finley
Katie Geralds
Sytia Messer
Carolyn Kieger
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basketballologist wrote:
Hottest Seats

Robin Pingeton
Coquese Washington
Joni Taylor
Mike Neighbors
Kelly Rae Finley
Katie Geralds
Sytia Messer
Carolyn Kieger
Katie Abrahamson-Henderson


mzonefan wrote:
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What about Carolyn Kieger at Penn State? She hasn't made the NCAA Tournament yet in her 5 seasons at PSU and they are 0-3 in conference so far this season. I don't wish her any ill will for leaving Marquette but would think realistically she has to be on the hot seat at this point.


I was so surprised she left her alma mater to go to PSU in the first place.

Interestingly, I was @ Penn State for the Oregon game, and I made it a point to talk to some Penn State fans. One gentleman was there for his niece, who was a freshman on the bench. Each of the few I spoke with were fairly positive about Kieger's run there.

When I mentioned I'd heard some rumblings about her status, they seemed genuinely surprised; most thought that her record - tho not great - wasn't exactly embarrassing. And it's true....one B1G conf win in her first year, followed by steady improvements each year isn't the worst she could do. We gotta remember: different schools have varying standards and expectations. And after the Portland debacle, "not embarrassing" = good enough @ Penn State.

Everyone I asked did say that she was very well-liked, and had good relationships with the players. In watching her team play, I saw some decent skills and tough, gritty attitudes; their near-comeback was a tribute to her skills as a strategist. My take on her? She's safe for a bit yet.



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I genuinely don't understand how Robin Pingeton keeps her seat except that Missouri must be like Wisconsin---their AD only cares about football and maybe a little bit, tangentially, about MBB. The rest he ignores.



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Mike Neighbors grew up about an hour from the University of Arkansas. The state is fairly loyal to homegrown heroes. They are far more concerned about other sports with NIL not being near what it should with 2 multi-billion companies in the backdoor. I figure Mike Neighbors will get to retire when he is ready



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I do not know how Tomeka Jeter survives another year at Dayton. This was one of the premier Mid jobs in America and now its blah. She has basically took it down to nothing and the fans there are not used to this. I suspect as soon as her current contract is up she will be gone.


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The NIL equation changes everything. The money must really be invested in football, and then maybe men's basketball. After that, really, no one cares that much.

My sense is schools will pick a sports or two -- volleyball, women's basketball, softball -- to focus their remaining resources on. It's just economically feasible to support more than couple sports after giving football what it needs.



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Howee wrote:
basketballologist wrote:
Hottest Seats

Robin Pingeton
Coquese Washington
Joni Taylor
Mike Neighbors
Kelly Rae Finley
Katie Geralds
Sytia Messer
Carolyn Kieger
Katie Abrahamson-Henderson


mzonefan wrote:
Marquette Fan wrote:
What about Carolyn Kieger at Penn State? She hasn't made the NCAA Tournament yet in her 5 seasons at PSU and they are 0-3 in conference so far this season. I don't wish her any ill will for leaving Marquette but would think realistically she has to be on the hot seat at this point.


I was so surprised she left her alma mater to go to PSU in the first place.

Interestingly, I was @ Penn State for the Oregon game, and I made it a point to talk to some Penn State fans. One gentleman was there for his niece, who was a freshman on the bench. Each of the few I spoke with were fairly positive about Kieger's run there.

When I mentioned I'd heard some rumblings about her status, they seemed genuinely surprised; most thought that her record - tho not great - wasn't exactly embarrassing. And it's true....one B1G conf win in her first year, followed by steady improvements each year isn't the worst she could do. We gotta remember: different schools have varying standards and expectations. And after the Portland debacle, "not embarrassing" = good enough @ Penn State.

Everyone I asked did say that she was very well-liked, and had good relationships with the players. In watching her team play, I saw some decent skills and tough, gritty attitudes; their near-comeback was a tribute to her skills as a strategist. My take on her? She's safe for a bit yet.


I'm surprised that this came out and then...nothing? https://onwardstate.com/2024/11/11/it-really-is-trauma-former-players-allege-misconduct-under-lady-lions-head-coach-carolyn-kieger/

This was the university's response: https://www.psucollegian.com/sports/women_basketball/university-spokesperson-addresses-alleged-misconduct-by-coach-carolyn-kieger/article_3c514c14-a076-11ef-8c70-5305008a9b37.html

And Kieger's own response: https://onwardstate.com/2024/11/12/carolyn-kieger-comments-on-alleged-misconduct/


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I said before that I didn't think Gearlds would be fired at Purdue yet, but I may have spoken too soon.

Purdue is looking like it could be one of the worst P4 team in the country. They join Rutgers, Wake Forest, Missouri and Houston as the only P4 teams to have not yet won a game against a major conference team. Currently, Purdue only has Quad 4 wins, and have lost their last four Big Ten games by at least 18 points each.

According to ESPN analytics, the Boilers are favored in just one of their remaining games - Northwestern at home.


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thardy929 wrote:

I'm surprised that this came out and then...nothing? https://onwardstate.com/2024/11/11/it-really-is-trauma-former-players-allege-misconduct-under-lady-lions-head-coach-carolyn-kieger/


Damn. Not being a follower/fan of Penn St., I never saw any of this but I gotta say - that's pretty damning. 😮 That's a lotta people, with very specific accusations. The few people I talked to at Penn St. were pretty NON-specific in their assessment of her.

Marquette Fan, did you ever hear of that sorta thing back in her time with your team?



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PUmatty wrote:
I said before that I didn't think Gearlds would be fired at Purdue yet, but I may have spoken too soon.

Purdue is looking like it could be one of the worst P4 team in the country. They join Rutgers, Wake Forest, Missouri and Houston as the only P4 teams to have not yet won a game against a major conference team. Currently, Purdue only has Quad 4 wins, and have lost their last four Big Ten games by at least 18 points each.

According to ESPN analytics, the Boilers are favored in just one of their remaining games - Northwestern at home.


The biggest issues for firing Gearlds are:

Bobinski doesn't care for WCBB, or else he never would have hired an NAIA coach with no D1 experience at a 600k salary.

After eating Walter's contract, is there money left to spend 2 million to buy out Gearlds.

Bobinski doesn't care about winning in WCBB, his first choice was Stephanie White who was an unmitigated disaster at Vandy.

Gearlds is a legacy, so firing her might be a difficult pill to swallow. After all they left Versyp in place for 15 years with similar results because she was a legacy.

And most importantly, BOBINSKI doesn't care about anything but football and men's basketball.



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If Arizona and UNC miss out on March Madness, I could see Barnes and Banghart being put on the hot seat.


UNC is more likely to host the first/second rounds than it is to miss the tournament.


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HomerCecil wrote:
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If Arizona and UNC miss out on March Madness, I could see Barnes and Banghart being put on the hot seat.


UNC is more likely to host the first/second rounds than it is to miss the tournament.


Well then she would obviously not miss the tournament and be on the hot seat/get fired.



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Name, School, (My input in paranthasses)

- Katie Geralds, Purdue (big name or WNBA name; maybe Christie Sides)

- Coquese Washington, Rutgers (I think it's time to see if Chelsea Newton slides over in the big chair)

- Kelly Rae Finley, Florida (big name or wnba name)

- Mike Neighbors, Arkansas (although he may have another year just based on his track record; if not, they only person I can think of is Karen Aston)

- Robin Pingeton, Missouri (maybe they hire Kellie Harper)

- Katie Abrahamson-Henderson, Georgia (they will go after Yolett McPhee-McCuin. She was the one they wanted but she turned Georgia down to stay at Ole Miss.


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