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 Posted: 10/15/24 12:05 pm ::: AP Poll 2024-25 |
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https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-womens-college-basketball-poll
South Carolina still #1
Connecticut up to #2
Iowa State up to #8
Indiana down to #25
Iowa, Oregon State, Stanford, Gonzaga, Colorado, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, and Utah out
North Carolina, Louisville, Maryland, Florida State, Mississippi, Kentucky, Nebraska, and Alabama in
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| Posted: 10/15/24 2:33 pm ::: |
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| UConn is too high. At highest should be 5, and I'd put them below ND, too.
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| Posted: 10/15/24 7:37 pm ::: |
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| UConn is too high. At highest should be 5, and I'd put them below ND, too. |
UConn looks like a title contender this season, provided they can stay healthy. Their biggest problem may be their schedule. The Big East is down this season with only Creighton projected in the top 50. That means that other than their trip to Columbia on 2/16 they will not be tested the last 2 months of the season. (I'm not high on Tennessee).
Given their schedule it will be tough for them to get a 1 seed with more than 2 losses, and they will have to travel to Birmingham for the regionals. None of this is in their favor but if things break their way this could be a championship season.
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| Posted: 10/15/24 8:11 pm ::: |
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| UConn is too high. At highest should be 5, and I'd put them below ND, too. |
We'll know soon enough, those two play in December. In fact, ND, UConn and S.Cal play a little round robin among themselves in December. Texas also plays ND very early.
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| Posted: 10/15/24 8:24 pm ::: |
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| UConn has 5 new faces and USC has 8. If they are 2 & 3 with so many unknowns it doesn't say much for the rest of D1.
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| Posted: 10/15/24 9:45 pm ::: |
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| Hmmmm. It'll be fun to revisit all this around April 10 or so. šš
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| Posted: 10/16/24 1:11 pm ::: |
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Voters must be quite high on North Carolina and Louisville's freshman classes because I don't understand how they're better than last year on paper.
15 and 17 are honestly insane to me. Even if Cierra Toomey and Mackenly Randolph split National Freshman of the Year I don't think either team will be this good. If we're looking at added talent + experience since last year, Maryland should have made the biggest jump full stop.
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| Posted: 10/17/24 2:21 pm ::: |
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Voters must be quite high on North Carolina and Louisville's freshman classes because I don't understand how they're better than last year on paper.
15 and 17 are honestly insane to me. Even if Cierra Toomey and Mackenly Randolph split National Freshman of the Year I don't think either team will be this good. If we're looking at added talent + experience since last year, Maryland should have made the biggest jump full stop. |
I agree, particularly at the start of the season. It seems many people believe that there is some addition by subtraction in Chapel Hill with Deja Kelly moving on but she is a very talented player that will be missed. Jeff Walz is a great coach who could get this team to the Sweet 16 by the end of the season, but I expect the team to struggle early with 4-5 non-conference losses.
Maryland is interesting. Adding DeBerry and Dulce in the frontcourt and Poffenbarger and Smikle in the backcourt could push the Terrapins close to the top 10. Unlike previous years the team has a relatively easy early schedule, but they may have the toughest week of any team in January, facing Texas in New Jersey on MLK day followed by Ohio St on the road and UCLA at home
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| Posted: 10/17/24 5:50 pm ::: |
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Voters must be quite high on North Carolina and Louisville's freshman classes because I don't understand how they're better than last year on paper.
15 and 17 are honestly insane to me. Even if Cierra Toomey and Mackenly Randolph split National Freshman of the Year I don't think either team will be this good. If we're looking at added talent + experience since last year, Maryland should have made the biggest jump full stop. |
I agree, particularly at the start of the season. It seems many people believe that there is some addition by subtraction in Chapel Hill with Deja Kelly moving on but she is a very talented player that will be missed. Jeff Walz is a great coach who could get this team to the Sweet 16 by the end of the season, but I expect the team to struggle early with 4-5 non-conference losses.
Maryland is interesting. Adding DeBerry and Dulce in the frontcourt and Poffenbarger and Smikle in the backcourt could push the Terrapins close to the top 10. Unlike previous years the team has a relatively easy early schedule, but they may have the toughest week of any team in January, facing Texas in New Jersey on MLK day followed by Ohio St on the road and UCLA at home |
The whole poll is fkn insane. Nobody's even played yet.
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| Posted: 10/20/24 10:57 am ::: |
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The whole poll is fkn insane. Nobody's even played yet. |
Yeah, really. Just like the fkn weather forecasts - no storm is even HERE yet. š
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| Posted: 11/11/24 2:49 pm ::: |
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| pilight wrote: |
https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-womens-college-basketball-poll?week=2
South Carolina now unanimous at #1
Oklahoma up to #9
Maryland up to #11
Baylor down to #17
Illinois, Stanford, and Oregon in
Florida State, Creighton, and Indiana out |
Baylor being ranked eight spots higher than the Oregon team that JUST BEAT THEM is ridiculous. I know this sort of thing happens every season, but this early, if head-to-head doesn't matter then what are we ever doing?
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| Posted: 11/11/24 3:27 pm ::: |
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Baylor being ranked eight spots higher than the Oregon team that JUST BEAT THEM is ridiculous. I know this sort of thing happens every season, but this early, if head-to-head doesn't matter then what are we ever doing? |
And it's not like Baylor looked any better than Oregon nor did it look like a fluke upset.
My reaction is that it's a little early to be ranking Oregon in the top 25 based on that game, and Baylor should get even fewer votes than Oregon.
At this time of the year, these rankings are still heavily influenced by both historical reputation and name recognition, and expectations that voters concocted six months ago. Evidently no one has noticed that Mulkey is no longer coaching in Waco.
I'm also curious how Nebraska moves up two spots by beating Omaha and SE La. Maybe Harvard should be ranked for beating a ranked team on the road instead of just mindlessly rewarding Nebraska, Alabama and Kentucky with a 2 spot jump each for playing exactly no one with a pulse.
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| Posted: 11/11/24 4:17 pm ::: |
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Baylor being ranked eight spots higher than the Oregon team that JUST BEAT THEM is ridiculous. I know this sort of thing happens every season, but this early, if head-to-head doesn't matter then what are we ever doing? |
And it's not like Baylor looked any better than Oregon nor did it look like a fluke upset.
My reaction is that it's a little early to be ranking Oregon in the top 25 based on that game, and Baylor should get even fewer votes than Oregon.
At this time of the year, these rankings are still heavily influenced by both historical reputation and name recognition, and expectations that voters concocted six months ago. Evidently no one has noticed that Mulkey is no longer coaching in Waco.
I'm also curious how Nebraska moves up two spots by beating Omaha and SE La. Maybe Harvard should be ranked for beating a ranked team on the road instead of just mindlessly rewarding Nebraska, Alabama and Kentucky with a 2 spot jump each for playing exactly no one with a pulse. |
Harvard lost to Quinnipiac. I can't see how they still got 3 votes.
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| Posted: 11/11/24 4:30 pm ::: |
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Baylor being ranked eight spots higher than the Oregon team that JUST BEAT THEM is ridiculous. I know this sort of thing happens every season, but this early, if head-to-head doesn't matter then what are we ever doing? |
And it's not like Baylor looked any better than Oregon nor did it look like a fluke upset.
My reaction is that it's a little early to be ranking Oregon in the top 25 based on that game, and Baylor should get even fewer votes than Oregon. |
Well, no real bias here (šš), but....I thought Oregon looked MUCH better than Baylor....FOR THREE QUARTERS. And tbh, I do believe Baylor IS much better than they showed out last night. That 4th quarter letdown, blowing a 16 pt lead, I'll ascribe to Kelly (Graves, not Deja). For now, I'm just gonna enjoy the time in the top 25 as long as it might last. The Big Ten is gonna be brutal.
Re: UConn at #2....I can't see why NOT, right now....by what little I've seen of them, they're not looking any badder than USC, TX, UCLA, etc. And I certainly believe they're capable of beating SC.
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| Posted: 11/11/24 4:44 pm ::: |
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| For anyone curious, Ball State is #1 in RPI at the moment
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| Posted: 11/12/24 7:59 am ::: |
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| Glad to see Maryland getting a little respect.
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| Posted: 11/16/24 8:13 pm ::: |
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Voters must be quite high on North Carolina and Louisville's freshman classes because I don't understand how they're better than last year on paper.
15 and 17 are honestly insane to me. Even if Cierra Toomey and Mackenly Randolph split National Freshman of the Year I don't think either team will be this good. If we're looking at added talent + experience since last year, Maryland should have made the biggest jump full stop. |
I agree, particularly at the start of the season. It seems many people believe that there is some addition by subtraction in Chapel Hill with Deja Kelly moving on but she is a very talented player that will be missed. Jeff Walz is a great coach who could get this team to the Sweet 16 by the end of the season, but I expect the team to struggle early with 4-5 non-conference losses.
Maryland is interesting. Adding DeBerry and Dulce in the frontcourt and Poffenbarger and Smikle in the backcourt could push the Terrapins close to the top 10. Unlike previous years the team has a relatively easy early schedule, but they may have the toughest week of any team in January, facing Texas in New Jersey on MLK day followed by Ohio St on the road and UCLA at home |
I think you got it backwards. Despite their heights DeBerry is primarily a perimeter player while Poffenbarger is a very good rebounder. DeBerry was reportedly a great teammate and well liked by the coaches but she was a wasted roster spot at UConn and showed nothing inside. Poffenbarger plays with an edge and is a beast inside.
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| Posted: 11/18/24 11:06 pm ::: |
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Iām excited. Especially because we get some amazing matchups this weekend.
I feel like South Carolina, UConn, Notre Dame, USC, and UCLA all have valid title aspirations.
I am disappointed that there are no real mid majors standing out at the moment but I think that may evolve over the course of the season if some studs emerge.
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With the portal, mid-major players who prove themselves are going to get to P4 schools as quickly as they can to improve their pro chances.
I think it will be hard to put together a quality mid-major program except in unusual circumstances (South Dakota State, say). There's too much money at stake for a player to be "loyal" to a mid-major -- it's not as if that mid-major coach wouldn't jump at a P4 job and leave her players behind.
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| Posted: 11/19/24 4:23 pm ::: |
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With the portal, mid-major players who prove themselves are going to get to P4 schools as quickly as they can to improve their pro chances.
I think it will be hard to put together a quality mid-major program except in unusual circumstances (South Dakota State, say). There's too much money at stake for a player to be "loyal" to a mid-major -- it's not as if that mid-major coach wouldn't jump at a P4 job and leave her players behind. |
I could not agree more. I believe we are looking at an NCAA Tournament with perhaps 2 of the 37 at-large teams coming from the "bottom 27" conferences. Charlie Creme currently only has 1 team (Creighton) from the Big East with all the other 36 coming from the big 4 (Big 10 - 11, SEC - 10, ACC - 8, Big 12 - 7.)
South Dakota St and Gonzaga are the two teams right now that may be able to survive because of their geographical location and historical success. With the loss of their coach I believe FGCU will not be a unicorn, and traditional second level powers like Chattanooga, MTSU, Drake, Green Bay will fade towards a top level of mid-majors, unable to develop a resume that will make the grade for NCAA inclusion.
Within 3 years, maybe sooner, there will be a Sweet Sixteen that includes only top 4 conference teams or UConn which will take much of the charm out of the Tourney.
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| And Gonzaga got blasted by Cal, which is hardly a powerhouse.
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I think Gonzaga was really hurt by Coach Fortier's cancer. I suspect they will be in the mix with Portland and Washington St for the WCC but an at-large team for the WCC seems highly unlikely. It shouldn't be that way two weeks into the season.
As for my Golden Bears, I believe they are middle (rather than bottom) of the pack in the ACC and could make the NCAA with a 9-9 or 8-10 ACC record. After tonight their next 4 games are against Auburn, Michigan St, Arizona or Vanderbilt, and Alabama. 2-2 in those games would be a good showing.
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| In advance of this week's rankings I make UCLA #1, followed by Notre Dame, UConn, Texas, South Carolina and USC. There will be plenty of chances for UConn to stake a claim to number 1 but a win over North Carolina isn't enough at this point. They play both Notre Dame and USC in December. so they can move up from 3 with wins. I put the Longhorns 4 but reserve judgment until their 12/5 game at Notre Dame. At least South Carolina lost on the road so I keep them ahead of USC. South Carolina plays Iowa St on Thanksgiving but does not play another top 6 team until after the New Year. USC plays at UConn on December 21.
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