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zune69
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A superteam must have a player who is in the running for best/most dominant player in the league.
Atlanta does not have that....Atlanta doesn't even have a top-10 player
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johnjohnW
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| Posted: 02/04/24 12:13 pm ::: |
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| zune69 wrote: |
A superteam must have a player who is in the running for best player or most dominant in the league.
Atlanta does not have that....Atlanta doesn't even have a top-10 player |
Atlanta has decent players but they are nowhere even close to the conversation of being a super team. If PHX gets EDD, they will be a Frankenstein superteam just like 2022 but not a legit superteam. You need young superstars and legendary vets to be a true superteam. Atlanta has a ton of potential but haven’t proven anything. Same for Indiana. Dallas are on the outside looking in.
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zune69
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| Posted: 02/04/24 12:33 pm ::: |
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| zune69 wrote: |
A superteam must have a player who is in the running for best player or most dominant in the league.
Atlanta does not have that....Atlanta doesn't even have a top-10 player |
Atlanta has decent players but they are nowhere even close to the conversation of being a super team. If PHX gets EDD, they will be a Frankenstein superteam just like 2022 but not a legit superteam. You need young superstars and legendary vets to be a true superteam. Atlanta has a ton of potential but haven’t proven anything. Same for Indiana. Dallas are on the outside looking in. |
Agreed, however...the one thing I'll say about Phoenix is that the 2022 Mercury did not get the chance to play together (Griner detained) after making the finals the previous season by beating Vegas....A healthy 2022 Mercury squad would have given Vegas a run.
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ClayK
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| Posted: 02/04/24 12:46 pm ::: |
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It is human nature to want to win. The best chance of winning a team sport is to play with the best players you can.
Pickup basketball -- the best players want to play together.
Pickleball doubles -- the best players want to play together.
Slow-pitch softball -- the best players want to play with each other.
And the "beating up kids" analogy doesn't really work because an injury can change everything, and it's not like the WNBA, or any pro league, isn't filled with enough talent to pull off an upset.
Some people prefer being an individual star on a bad team to being a complementary player on a league champion, but to me, that's just being selfish. The object of the game, after all, is to win, not to be a star.
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| Posted: 02/04/24 12:52 pm ::: |
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It is human nature to want to win. The best chance of winning a team sport is to play with the best players you can.
Pickup basketball -- the best players want to play together.
Pickleball doubles -- the best players want to play together.
Slow-pitch softball -- the best players want to play with each other.
And the "beating up kids" analogy doesn't really work because an injury can change everything, and it's not like the WNBA, or any pro league, isn't filled with enough talent to pull off an upset.
Some people prefer being an individual star on a bad team to being a complementary player on a league champion, but to me, that's just being selfish. The object of the game, after all, is to win, not to be a star. |
Why stop there? Why not let transgenders compete against female athletes as opposed to competing against male athletes? After all, winning justifies everything!!!
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| Posted: 02/04/24 4:10 pm ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
It is human nature to want to win. The best chance of winning a team sport is to play with the best players you can.
Pickup basketball -- the best players want to play together.
Pickleball doubles -- the best players want to play together.
Slow-pitch softball -- the best players want to play with each other.
And the "beating up kids" analogy doesn't really work because an injury can change everything, and it's not like the WNBA, or any pro league, isn't filled with enough talent to pull off an upset.
Some people prefer being an individual star on a bad team to being a complementary player on a league champion, but to me, that's just being selfish. The object of the game, after all, is to win, not to be a star. |
Some elite athletes are competitive enough that they would rather work harder to beat their rival than simply to join them.
As a FA, Stewart chose to go home. I get that. A handful of FAs wanted to play with Stewart, who is (arguably) among the top 2 players in the league. Storm fans have seen many players sign with Seattle primarily for the opportunity to play with Bird and/or Jackson. Stewart is drawing players to NY. I get that too.
Now LV built this team off the draft, winning the lottery 3 times in a row. As a Storm fan, we were the first to benefit from the 2-year record lottery odds. Without that rule change, the odds of drafting Stewart would not have been in our favor. Plum and Young were certainly weak #1s, but they have since greatly improved. LV has kept its core together because players were (maybe) willing to take pay cuts. LV has added FAs because players were (maybe) willing to take pay cuts. Trying to pay a player under the table aside, what is really horrendous to me is discriminating against a player because she got pregnant. The league was reluctant to do much about it because this Aces team is good for ratings and we're all so proud of Hammon's background. So the league accepts that superteams are good at the expense of the CBA and at the expense of discrimination against a player.
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Richyyy
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| Posted: 05/01/24 11:31 pm ::: |
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I have Gwathmey, Bishop and Gulich as maybes to add to your list. By the letter of the CBA section I think the deadline for unsigned players was the 'start of the season' rather than May 1, so arguably those Spanish quarters should count (Gulich will presumably play in the semis anyway).
But you may well have investigated harder than I have on whether all those players have 3 YoS that should count. |
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awhom111
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| Posted: 05/02/24 10:51 pm ::: |
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I have Gwathmey, Bishop and Gulich as maybes to add to your list. By the letter of the CBA section I think the deadline for unsigned players was the 'start of the season' rather than May 1, so arguably those Spanish quarters should count (Gulich will presumably play in the semis anyway).
But you may well have investigated harder than I have on whether all those players have 3 YoS that should count. |
Thank you for letting me know. I think that I will have nightmares about the wording of that section by the time that they remove it.
Besides those 3, that means that I had to add 4 more players with that change, although Alexis Prince, like Gulich would have been added today anyway. Had Monique Billings and Kayla Thornton not left Dynamo Kursk before the end of the season and led them to the finals instead, the rule wording would have created the weird situation where they would not be suspended for playing in Game 3, but Alex Bentley would have been banned from signing for playing in the same game.
All the additions have increased my current list to 12 players. That does not include Beatrice Mompremier, who is known to be injured right now, Kristine Anigwe, whose absence from Game 1 has not been explained in anything that I have seen from Gyor, and Erika De Souza, who was not in the lineup on Monday. |
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Richyyy
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| Posted: 05/02/24 11:02 pm ::: |
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| I wonder if Anigwe had an out to make sure she was WNBA-eligible. She seems to end up on rosters somewhere every damn year, so may have a more realistic expectation of being picked up somewhere than a lot of people who'll end up on the list. |
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awhom111
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| Posted: 05/03/24 10:15 pm ::: |
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| I wonder if Anigwe had an out to make sure she was WNBA-eligible. She seems to end up on rosters somewhere every damn year, so may have a more realistic expectation of being picked up somewhere than a lot of people who'll end up on the list. |
Gyor was pretty clear that Carleton had a clause to exit by May 1st since she signed midseason and was the best available player for them and had the leverage. They have not said anything at all about Anigwe's status for the series while providing plenty of injury updates on everyone else. She could be hoping that she will have grounds for being considered done if there is interest in her later.
I was able to add Erika De Souza to the list officially today and she managed not to be the oldest player that I added. |
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| Posted: 05/04/24 6:57 am ::: |
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I was able to add Erika De Souza to the list officially today and she managed not to be the oldest player that I added. |
I was shocked both that Kelly Santos was still playing and that she had 3 WNBA YoS. |
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awhom111
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| Posted: 05/04/24 11:09 pm ::: |
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I was able to add Erika De Souza to the list officially today and she managed not to be the oldest player that I added. |
I was shocked both that Kelly Santos was still playing and that she had 3 WNBA YoS. |
Santos is one of the ones that I am not too sure about because I am not sure that we still have full transaction data from 2001 and 2002. She has not just been playing locally to stay in shape in her mid-40s and actually played in Europe recently.
Anigwe returned to the lineup today so she is definitely no longer eligible to be signed. I guess she has no excuses to not show up in Rwanda in August. I am not sure if DVTK made their lineup switch to match up with her or to make Ana Tadic not feel like she was wasting her one WNBA opportunity to be the extra foreigner. Beatrice Mompremier was absent again for Sopron, but it seems like there will be chances to render herself ineligible as the naturalized player for Hungary. |
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