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PostPosted: 02/10/23 7:56 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Can't believe we lost to Estonia earlier in this stage. Wouldn't actually matter given they throw out the results against 4th-placed teams for the second-placed standings, but still. They're awful.

By my maths there are seven groups left for the four second-placed spots that advance. Croatia are almost certainly out; Hungary and Slovakia are almost certainly through barring something absurd; and then it's two from the four groups left. With at least six teams still involved for those spots (Bosnia need to beat Germany by a million, so barely count).

First order of business is beating Portugal on Sunday, but it's horrible that we don't really know what else we need to do. Just have to fight for every point and then hope it's enough. Also annoying that some of the other games tip off later and could know exactly what they need.



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PostPosted: 02/12/23 6:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Final qualifying games:
https://wbasketballblog.com/2023/02/12/eurobasket-qualifiers-round-6-february-12th/

All 16 teams: Belgium, Germany, France, Spain, Hungary, Turkey, Slovenia, Serbia, Montenegro, Greece, Great Britain, Italy, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Latvia, Israel
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PostPosted: 02/12/23 7:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Four days in Manchester, we won two qualifiers by a combined 85 points and made the Germans irrelevant to our qualification. Pretty good trip.

Hoping we get drawn in the right half and I can tempt someone into 10 days in Ljubljana...



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PostPosted: 02/19/23 11:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

France, Spain, Turkey, Serbia, and Italy are all confirmed for exhibition games outside the prioritization approved window so far. Not that all of those teams have players subject to the rule, but I would expect pretty much every national team to start training camp at least two weeks before the tournament.
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PostPosted: 02/19/23 11:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Draw for the group stage is March 8th by the way, just for anyone else who may or may not have already looked up the cost of hotel rooms/apartments in Ljubljana...



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PostPosted: 03/09/23 12:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Pretty horrible draw for GB in terms of opponents, as clearly all my wishing luck went towards getting us into the Slovenian half of the draw (and came through). I'm not saying I'd already booked somewhere in Ljubljana for the whole 11 days, but I'm not not saying that, either...



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PostPosted: 03/09/23 2:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ljubljana sounds like an excellent destination to enjoy some Euromania

Is it too late to donate Cambage to GB since we have discarded her?



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PostPosted: 03/09/23 1:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Luuuc wrote:
Ljubljana sounds like an excellent destination to enjoy some Euromania

Is it too late to donate Cambage to GB since we have discarded her?

There's a chance I'd feel differently if she was a guard who could handle the ball and score, but I'd rather lose without Cambage than win with her.



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PostPosted: 05/06/23 3:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If the roster-tracker at the official site - https://www.fiba.basketball/womenseurobasket/2023/news/roster-tracker - is to be believed, then no Ndour-Fall in Spain's initial squad, and no McCowan in Turkey's. Johannes, Rupert and Gabby Williams all in France's initial group, for what that's worth.



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PostPosted: 05/23/23 3:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

awhom111 (or anyone else out there), I know this is usually a pointless question because FIBA never says anything helpful out loud, but any idea who counts as 'naturalised' among the GB squad they finally announced today? https://gb.basketball/2023/05/23/chema-buceta-confirms-training-camp-roster-for-womens-eurobasket-campaign/

They left Kennedy Leonard out, which suggests to me it's at least one, but I'm hoping it's no more than that.



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PostPosted: 05/23/23 11:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
awhom111 (or anyone else out there), I know this is usually a pointless question because FIBA never says anything helpful out loud, but any idea who counts as 'naturalised' among the GB squad they finally announced today? https://gb.basketball/2023/05/23/chema-buceta-confirms-training-camp-roster-for-womens-eurobasket-campaign/

They left Kennedy Leonard out, which suggests to me it's at least one, but I'm hoping it's no more than that.


I think the process of elimination suggests that it is Sydney Wallace. Everyone else has either played in a game with Leonard or Samuelson or played at the U16 level for England or Scotland or were confirmed born in the UK. Wallace is better, but it only seems fair to also call in Leonard and let them fight it out in camp instead of on social media. With so many new faces, it still must hurt to not see Jump get a chance when Bosgana is featuring heavily for Greece.

Not that it ends up mattering, but GB Basketball was really going for strict prioritization compliance with that first exhibition being on June 1st. Have you heard anything about whether players who opted out of 2020 accrued a year of service and whether only players who opted out after that was a choice would get that?

Also, I am not taking sides on this growing Johannes-gate, but I really do not understand why she or the Liberty think that it makes sense for her to go there for a week and a bit. I could understand if she was planning to play all the games from say the 27th to the 4th.
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PostPosted: 05/23/23 11:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Couldn't Herbert Harrigan count as naturalised as well? No idea really how her nationality works. I've gotten so used to the wild fluctuations in these squads that no one being included or excluded really comes as a surprise at this point, but now that you mention it Jump missing does seem a bit disappointing. She's played in the college offseason before (bunch of 3x3 stuff last year, from memory) so there's precedent. With no Samuelson (who I'd much rather have than Anigwe), and Handy retired, an extra shooting wing would've been very, very useful. Jeez, Herbert Harrigan might end up playing some 3 for this squad. And Wallace is gonna have to play lots of point. Maybe Leonard's broken hand counted against her, but judging by the Twitter responses from people with Leonard listed as their surname, they think she's healthy and ready to go.

Players who were granted a medical exemption to miss the 2020 season got a Year of Service (from memory, that's Charles, Durr, and one more person I'm blanking on). But players who sat out by choice, or what the league decided in their opinion was a choice (like Delle Donne), didn't.

Last I heard, I thought Johannes wasn't going to EuroBasket at all. But it has all gotten very confused. If she is going, I tend to agree that flying her in for maybe 10 days is a waste of everyone's time.



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PostPosted: 05/24/23 10:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
Couldn't Herbert Harrigan count as naturalised as well? No idea really how her nationality works. I've gotten so used to the wild fluctuations in these squads that no one being included or excluded really comes as a surprise at this point, but now that you mention it Jump missing does seem a bit disappointing. She's played in the college offseason before (bunch of 3x3 stuff last year, from memory) so there's precedent. With no Samuelson (who I'd much rather have than Anigwe), and Handy retired, an extra shooting wing would've been very, very useful. Jeez, Herbert Harrigan might end up playing some 3 for this squad. And Wallace is gonna have to play lots of point. Maybe Leonard's broken hand counted against her, but judging by the Twitter responses from people with Leonard listed as their surname, they think she's healthy and ready to go.

Players who were granted a medical exemption to miss the 2020 season got a Year of Service (from memory, that's Charles, Durr, and one more person I'm blanking on). But players who sat out by choice, or what the league decided in their opinion was a choice (like Delle Donne), didn't.

Last I heard, I thought Johannes wasn't going to EuroBasket at all. But it has all gotten very confused. If she is going, I tend to agree that flying her in for maybe 10 days is a waste of everyone's time.


I have a hard time seeing Herbert Harrigan being considered naturalized. All reports have her born in Anguilla and as far as we know, she does not have anything other than UK citizenship.

Across the Timeline has Breland and Cambage as the other two that the league granted exemptions to in 2020. I was wondering about Han, since China was so restrictive on people leaving at that time. Their national team is looking thin on experience in the post and must have at least asked if she could join them now for their Europe trip instead of waiting for June 12th or later so I was wondering if someone out there thought that she was subject to prioritization. Their national team program seems a little paranoid about the possibility of finishing third in their group.

Johannes wanted to go to EuroBasket, but on her terms. The federation said that she would be left off the roster if she did not report after Lyon finished and implied that it would factor into future decisions and that is what is causing all the drama.
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PostPosted: 05/24/23 11:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm only going from memory and it was quite a while ago, but I don't remember anyone being granted exemption on the grounds of "there's no way they'd get a visa" or "from a PR angle maybe no Chinese players in the bubble" back in 2020. I think it had to be medical. So I would lean towards Han only having two YoS.

Apparently Johannes is expected to show up in New York this weekend, so looks like EuroBasket might not be happening for her. Maybe France are less bothered about putting out a full-strength team this year when they'll qualify as hosts for the Olympics anyway. Although if Williams is out, I wonder if knowing that would've made them more willing to compromise. At some point, that talent drain really starts to hurt...



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PostPosted: 05/25/23 11:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
I'm only going from memory and it was quite a while ago, but I don't remember anyone being granted exemption on the grounds of "there's no way they'd get a visa" or "from a PR angle maybe no Chinese players in the bubble" back in 2020. I think it had to be medical. So I would lean towards Han only having two YoS.

Apparently Johannes is expected to show up in New York this weekend, so looks like EuroBasket might not be happening for her. Maybe France are less bothered about putting out a full-strength team this year when they'll qualify as hosts for the Olympics anyway. Although if Williams is out, I wonder if knowing that would've made them more willing to compromise. At some point, that talent drain really starts to hurt...


France is just trying to be in line with how most European national teams handle non-naturalized players and deciding that Johannes with less than the full training is less worth taking than the next player with full training.

The in-season departure punishment for national teams only applies to players who fall under prioritization, right? There is no way for a WNBA team to block a player from leaving for their national team as long as it follows the broader FIBA-NBA agreement?
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PostPosted: 05/26/23 10:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Good point, the two weeks limit (and 48 hours to get back) for FIBA tournaments is only in the Prioritization section, so should only apply to those players who fall under Prioritization (i.e. not Johannes, among others). There's actually very little I can find in the CBA as to what teams are required or allowed to do for tournaments like EuroBasket or the AsiaCup. So honestly I'd be guessing as to their options. You'd think a player leaving during the season could be summarily suspended by the team (as Atlanta did last year when Hayes left for that non-FIBA tournament). But over the years we've seen players leave on virtually the last day possible for overseas tournaments, or with plenty of time to prepare. It's always seemed like teams and players work it out between them so that usually no one is too pissed off, but if there is a rule I'm not sure what it is, beyond those new prioritization lines.



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PostPosted: 06/01/23 10:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
Pretty horrible draw for GB in terms of opponents, as clearly all my wishing luck went towards getting us into the Slovenian half of the draw (and came through). I'm not saying I'd already booked somewhere in Ljubljana for the whole 11 days, but I'm not not saying that, either...


There were some times that I thought that your draw looked pretty favorable with Slovenia not having depth and Germany having no Satou and suddenly having a new coach, but exhibition 1 did not go well at all. Poor Paul Nilsen had just bumped them up in his power rankings.
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PostPosted: 06/01/23 11:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Richyyy wrote:
Pretty horrible draw for GB in terms of opponents, as clearly all my wishing luck went towards getting us into the Slovenian half of the draw (and came through). I'm not saying I'd already booked somewhere in Ljubljana for the whole 11 days, but I'm not not saying that, either...


There were some times that I thought that your draw looked pretty favorable with Slovenia not having depth and Germany having no Satou and suddenly having a new coach, but exhibition 1 did not go well at all. Poor Paul Nilsen had just bumped them up in his power rankings.

We're so staggeringly thin on talent that should be playing at this level. With no Jump, or Samuelson, or Green, or Leonard, or Handy, or Stewart, and Anigwe yet to arrive, and Herbert Harrigan hopefully yet to arrive, there's just not that much left. Hell, Beckford-Norton would help what's left of this squad.

I'd also imagine they have virtually no chemistry, given all the missing pieces. 8 of our top 11 in minutes played in qualifying weren't there today (and only Anigwe is going to be added from that group). We also, inevitably, started camp later than everyone else. So hopefully things get better over the next couple of weeks. As long as Herbert Harrigan shows up, I still have some hope.



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PostPosted: 06/05/23 11:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I really hope that Germany puts out the 4 post starting lineup that they have been using in an actual tournament game. I think we have to consider Gulich the 5 and Fiebich is probably the most mobile so she can be the 2. Bessoir is the 3 and Geiselsoder is the 4 then I guess.
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PostPosted: 06/15/23 6:47 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Tournament has started, for anyone interested. Think you need a Courtside 1891 subscription to watch in the US, but might be worth checking ESPN. They seem to pick these things up late sometimes.



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PostPosted: 06/15/23 11:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Day 1:
https://wbasketballblog.com/2023/06/15/eurobasket-game-1-june-15th/
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PostPosted: 06/16/23 11:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Day 2:
https://wbasketballblog.com/2023/06/16/eurobasket-game-2-june-16th/
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PostPosted: 06/16/23 11:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Day 2:
https://wbasketballblog.com/2023/06/16/eurobasket-game-2-june-16th/
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PostPosted: 06/17/23 8:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Gonna be interesting to see how much GB/Germany care about 2nd vs 3rd in the group. It's not just the supposedly easier crossover playoff, but if I've worked it out right then 2nd place keeps you away from Belgium in the quarters (assuming you win the playoff). So I'd care quite a bit. But Fiebich looks semi-healthy, so they might rest her again.



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