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lynxmania
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Posted: 03/25/17 7:02 pm ::: 2017 NCAA Tournament Attendance Numbers |
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2017 NCAA Tournament Attendance
1st and 2nd Rounds
Bridgeport Regional
Storrs, Connecticut
Round 1
UConn vs. Albany - 5,670
Syracuse vs. Iowa State - 5,670
Round 2
UConn vs. Syracuse - 8,274
Los Angeles, California
Round 1
UCLA vs. Boise State - 2,256
Texas A&M vs. Penn - 2,256
Round 2
UCLA vs. Texas A&M - 2,077
College Park, Maryland
Round 1
Maryland vs. Bucknell - 3,511
West Virginia vs. Elon - 3,511
Round 2
Maryland vs. West Virginia - 6,129
Durham, North Carolina
Round 1
Duke vs. Hampton - 2,328
Temple vs. Oregon -
Round 2
Duke vs. Oregon - 1,620
Oklahoma City Regional
Waco, Texas
Round 1
Baylor vs. Texas Southern - 4,169
LSU vs. California - 4,169
Round 2
Baylor vs. California - 3,910
Louisville, Kentucky
Round 1
Louisville vs. Chattanooga - 5,441
Tennessee vs. Dayton - 5,441
Round 2
Louisville vs. Tennessee - 5,698
Seattle, Washington
Round 1
Washington vs. Montana State - 8,059
Oklahoma vs. Gonzaga - 8,059
Round 2
Washington vs. Oklahoma - 7,579
Starkville, Mississippi
Round 1
Mississippi State vs. Troy - 5,572
DePaul vs. Northern Iowa -
Round 2
Mississippi State vs. DePaul - 6,035
Lexington Regional
South Bend, Indiana
Round 1
Notre Dame vs. Robert Morris - 5,685
Green Bay vs. Purdue -
Round 2
Notre Dame vs. Purdue - 5,422
Lexington, Kentucky
Round 1
Kentucky vs. Belmont - 3,497
Ohio State vs. Western Kentucky - 3,557
Round 2
Kentucky vs. Ohio State - 2,644
Austin, Texas
Round 1
Texas vs. Central Arkansas - 2,908
NC State vs. Auburn -
Round 2
Texas vs. NC State - 3,476
Manhatten, Kansas
Round 1
Stanford vs. New Mexico State - 4,005
Kansas State vs. Drake - 4,005
Round 2
Stanford vs. Kansas State - 3,969
Stockton Regional
Columbia, South Carolina
Round 1
South Carolina vs. UNC Asheville -
Arizona State vs. Michigan State - 8,215
Round 2
South Carolina vs. Arizona State - 8,276
Coral Gables, Florida
Round 1
Miami vs. Florida Gulf Coast - 2,232
Marquette vs. Quinnipiac - 2,009
Round 2
Miami vs. Quinnipiac - 1,972
Tallahassee, Florida
Round 1
Florida State vs. Western Illinois - 4,147
Missouri vs. South Florida -
Round 2
Florida State vs. Missouri - 4,084
Corvallis, Oregon
Round 1
Oregon State vs. Long Beach State -
Creighton vs. Toledo - 4,692
Round 2
Oregon State vs. Creighton - 5,660
Reported Attendance Numbers came from box scores linked from the school's athletic websites:
*Some schools repeated the attendance for both games
*Some schools didn't report for the second game. I would assume they fall in the repeat attendance category.
*Two sites reported difference attendances for the games in Round One: Lexington and Corral Gables
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lynxmania
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Posted: 03/25/17 7:26 pm ::: |
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Sweet Sixteen and Elite Eight
Bridgeport Regional
Sweet Sixteen
UConn vs. UCLA - 8,830
Maryland vs. Oregon -
Elite Eight
UConn vs. Oregon - 8,978
Oklahoma City Regional
Sweet Sixteen
Baylor vs. Louisville - 3,499
Mississippi State vs. Washington -
Elite Eight
Baylor vs. Mississippi State -3,128
Lexington Regional
Sweet Sixteen
Notre Dame vs. Ohio State - 3,148
Stanford vs. Texas - 3,163
Elite Eight
Notre Dame vs. Stanford - 2,527
Stockton Regional
Sweet Sixteen
South Carolina vs. Quinnipiac -
Oregon State vs. Florida State - 4,500
Elite Eight
South Carolina vs. Florida State - 3,134
Reported Attendance Numbers came from box scores linked from the school's athletic websites
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pilight
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Posted: 03/29/17 6:08 pm ::: |
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Women's basketball regional attendance at 20-year low
http://hosted.stats.com/wcbk/story.asp?i=20170329180558886910708
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The numbers aren't all bad. The attendance at the first two rounds of the NCAAs was the third highest in the last 10 years. The Final Four and championship game in Dallas are virtually sold out for the first time since 2014. Moving the Final Four to a Friday-Sunday format this year for the first time since 2002 helped that. |
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Posted: 03/30/17 10:24 am ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
Women's basketball regional attendance at 20-year low
http://hosted.stats.com/wcbk/story.asp?i=20170329180558886910708
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The numbers aren't all bad. The attendance at the first two rounds of the NCAAs was the third highest in the last 10 years. The Final Four and championship game in Dallas are virtually sold out for the first time since 2014. Moving the Final Four to a Friday-Sunday format this year for the first time since 2002 helped that. |
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Attendance in the first two rounds was increased by having host sites.
I don't see any solution to the regional issue. It's expensive to travel on short notice, and no one knows who will advance.
I do think, though, they should play in smaller arenas to save money and improve the atmosphere.
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zune69
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Posted: 03/30/17 11:25 am ::: |
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1.Reduce non-conference schedule by 5 games.
2.Reduce the field from 64 to 48 teams.
3.Top 16 teams get 1st rd byes.
4.Go to a best out of 3 tournament format(1-1-1).Higher seed gets 2 home games,lower seed gets 1.
5.Final four gets played on a neutral site.
Attendance & ratings would go up.
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ClayK
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Posted: 03/30/17 12:07 pm ::: |
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zune69 wrote: |
1.Reduce non-conference schedule by 5 games.
2.Reduce the field from 64 to 48 teams.
3.Top 16 teams get 1st rd byes.
4.Go to a best out of 3 tournament format(1-1-1).Higher seed gets 2 home games,lower seed gets 1.
5.Final four gets played on a neutral site.
Attendance & ratings would go up. |
Makes sense. The five fewer games saves everyone money, and home sites generate income for regionals.
Of course, the women would have to accept that their tournament won't be the same as the men's, and that's unlikely to happen. If it was the case, women would not have conference tournaments, which lose millions each year.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 03/30/17 12:30 pm ::: |
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Aren't the TV ratings up?
If so, I think the obsession with live attendance is misplaced.
Every sport is suffering live attendance issues. When every single game is televised as they are now, the motivation to travel 100 or 1000 miles for a regional on short notice is significantly reduced.
Maybe everyone should just stop worrying about it, focus on improving the game, and on increasing the size of the viewing audience.
It certainly isn't worth undermining the integrity of the tournament by giving a few select schools a huge competitive advantage. I hope they listen to the coaches. How anyone could think selling a few more tickets is more important than protecting the competitive fairness of the game's preimier event completely escapes me.
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pilight
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Posted: 03/30/17 12:35 pm ::: |
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zune69 wrote: |
1.Reduce non-conference schedule by 5 games.
2.Reduce the field from 64 to 48 teams.
3.Top 16 teams get 1st rd byes.
4.Go to a best out of 3 tournament format(1-1-1).Higher seed gets 2 home games,lower seed gets 1.
5.Final four gets played on a neutral site.
Attendance & ratings would go up. |
Attendance and ratings might be better, but not by enough to overcome the greater cost. This format features much more travel, more games (at least 94, possibly as many as 141, compared to the current 63), and would take longer (at least six weeks compared to the current three).
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zune69
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Posted: 03/30/17 1:04 pm ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
If it was the case, women would not have conference tournaments, which lose millions each year. |
Hadn't cross my mind.This would definitely be a problem.
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Attendance and ratings might be better, but not by enough to overcome the greater cost. This format features much more travel, more games (at least 94, possibly as many as 141, compared to the current 63), and would take longer (at least six weeks compared to the current three). |
5 less non conference games would offset the cost of additional tournament games,and save 2-3 weeks on the schedule.
ArtBest23 wrote: |
How anyone could think selling a few more tickets is more important than protecting the competitive fairness of the game's preimier event completely escapes me. |
I wouldn't call getting two home games during a 1 game elimination tournament competitive fairness.
1.Opposing team star players getting in foul trouble because the refs have a bias in favor of the home team.
2.Officials letting the home team player get away with excessive contact.
3.Home teams getting the close calls in late game situations.
The Long Beach st/Oregon st and Texas/NC state games left a bad taste in my mouth.
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pilight
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Posted: 03/30/17 1:18 pm ::: |
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zune69 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
Attendance and ratings might be better, but not by enough to overcome the greater cost. This format features much more travel, more games (at least 94, possibly as many as 141, compared to the current 63), and would take longer (at least six weeks compared to the current three). |
5 less non conference games would offset the cost of additional tournament games,and save 2-3 weeks on the schedule. |
It's not the NCAA that pays for non-conference games, but they're the ones being saddled with the extra cost of the tournament.
There's also the matter of double punishing the mid-major conference teams. Not only are you eliminating their automatic tournament bids, you're also shortening their season. You're essentially saying this sport is only for the major conferences, everyone else can take a hike.
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Posted: 03/30/17 1:19 pm ::: |
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zune69 wrote: |
I wouldn't call getting two home games during a 1 game elimination tournament competitive fairness.
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It's two critical rounds - sweet sixteen and elite eight - where the competition gets a lot closer and upsets are realistic, and giving four teams home court advantage is an enormous advantage. Same reason they abandoned the "buy yourself a regional" approach. Same reason the coaches still oppose it:
"Coaches are strongly against reverting to campus sites.
“Neutral-site regionals are something our coaches believe in because of competitive equity,” said Danielle Donehew, executive director of the Women’s Basketball Coaches Association. “They don’t want to play on someone else’s home court.”
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zune69
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Posted: 03/30/17 1:29 pm ::: |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
It's two critical rounds - sweet sixteen and elite eight - where the competition gets a lot closer and upsets are realistic
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Explain that to Long beach state and N.C, state.Both teams got hosed by the officials.
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pilight wrote: |
There's also the matter of double punishing the mid-major conference teams. Not only are you eliminating their automatic tournament bids, you're also shortening their season. You're essentially saying this sport is only for the major conferences, everyone else can take a hike. |
Not really. Guaranteed that any reduction in the number of teams would come completely out of the at-large pool or it's a complete non-starter. Not one conference champion slot would be eliminated. Which means it would be almost entirely P5, A10, BE and AAC slots that would disappear.
And that would also mean even more mismatches as the tournament would be left with only the very top big schools and a whole lot of overmatched conference champions, with most of the middle tier eliminated.
Who really wants to see best two out of three of 2nd or 3rd place ACC or PAC team vs the Southland and Big Sky champions?
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Posted: 03/30/17 1:44 pm ::: |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
There's also the matter of double punishing the mid-major conference teams. Not only are you eliminating their automatic tournament bids, you're also shortening their season. You're essentially saying this sport is only for the major conferences, everyone else can take a hike. |
Not really. Guaranteed that any reduction in the number of teams would come completely out of the at-large pool or it's a complete non-starter. Not one conference champion slot would be eliminated. Which means it would be almost entirely P5, A10, BE and AAC slots that would disappear. |
As a realistic proposal, the whole idea is a non-starter. I assumed zune meant eliminating auto-bids as the way to cut the tournament back to 48 teams.
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zune69 wrote: |
5 less non conference games would offset the cost of additional tournament games,and save 2-3 weeks on the schedule. |
What about the 300 teams not playing in the tournament? I doubt if they are interested in shortening their seasons.
There are 349 Div I schools sponsoring WBB. Eliminating 5 games each means 872 fewer games played. That's a lot of ticket and concession sales for the home teams in those games.
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Posted: 03/30/17 1:57 pm ::: |
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yep, take away those pesky non conference games and all the mid majors are just out of luck.....no way to show their game and no way to improve their chances at getting to the tourney....
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Posted: 03/30/17 2:03 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
ArtBest23 wrote: |
pilight wrote: |
There's also the matter of double punishing the mid-major conference teams. Not only are you eliminating their automatic tournament bids, you're also shortening their season. You're essentially saying this sport is only for the major conferences, everyone else can take a hike. |
Not really. Guaranteed that any reduction in the number of teams would come completely out of the at-large pool or it's a complete non-starter. Not one conference champion slot would be eliminated. Which means it would be almost entirely P5, A10, BE and AAC slots that would disappear. |
As a realistic proposal, the whole idea is a non-starter. I assumed zune meant eliminating auto-bids as the way to cut the tournament back to 48 teams. |
I, for one, am not offended, like some, that Oregon was in the NCAA Tournament this year, since they wouldn't have made it if there were only 16 (or 20) at-large teams.
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pilight wrote: |
As a realistic proposal, the whole idea is a non-starter. I assumed zune meant eliminating auto-bids as the way to cut the tournament back to 48 teams. |
Expand the tournament to 96 teams....But that would cause a scheduling problem.
ArtBest23 wrote: |
What about the 300 teams not playing in the tournament? I doubt if they are interested in shortening their seasons.
There are 349 Div I schools sponsoring WBB. Eliminating 5 games each means 872 fewer games played. That's a lot of ticket and concession sales for the home teams in those games. |
So then i guess we're stuck with the same flawed system.....
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We seem to understand that WCB is different from MCB, but for some reason there is consternation because neutral regional sites don't draw.
WHO CARES?
Don't allow any team to play a regional within so many miles of campus and be done with it. Some Regionals may draw 3000. Deal with it.
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Posted: 03/30/17 3:21 pm ::: Re: 2017 NCAA Tournament Attendance Numbers |
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Congrats to Duke for "winning" the least attendance award. Anyone interested in developing interest in wcbb should want a coaching change at Duke.
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2017 NCAA Tournament Attendance
1st and 2nd Rounds
Bridgeport Regional
Storrs, Connecticut
Round 1
UConn vs. Albany - 5,670
Syracuse vs. Iowa State - 5,670
Round 2
UConn vs. Syracuse - 8,274
Los Angeles, California
Round 1
UCLA vs. Boise State - 2,256
Texas A&M vs. Penn - 2,256
Round 2
UCLA vs. Texas A&M - 2,077
College Park, Maryland
Round 1
Maryland vs. Bucknell - 3,511
West Virginia vs. Elon - 3,511
Round 2
Maryland vs. West Virginia - 6,129
[b]Durham, North Carolina
Round 1
Duke vs. Hampton - 2,328
Temple vs. Oregon [/b]-
Round 2
Duke vs. Oregon - 1,620
Oklahoma City Regional
Waco, Texas
Round 1
Baylor vs. Texas Southern - 4,169
LSU vs. California - 4,169
Round 2
Baylor vs. California - 3,910
Louisville, Kentucky
Round 1
Louisville vs. Chattanooga - 5,441
Tennessee vs. Dayton - 5,441
Round 2
Louisville vs. Tennessee - 5,698
Seattle, Washington
Round 1
Washington vs. Montana State - 8,059
Oklahoma vs. Gonzaga - 8,059
Round 2
Washington vs. Oklahoma - 7,579
Starkville, Mississippi
Round 1
Mississippi State vs. Troy - 5,572
DePaul vs. Northern Iowa -
Round 2
Mississippi State vs. DePaul - 6,035
Lexington Regional
South Bend, Indiana
Round 1
Notre Dame vs. Robert Morris - 5,685
Green Bay vs. Purdue -
Round 2
Notre Dame vs. Purdue - 5,422
Lexington, Kentucky
Round 1
Kentucky vs. Belmont - 3,497
Ohio State vs. Western Kentucky - 3,557
Round 2
Kentucky vs. Ohio State - 2,644
Austin, Texas
Round 1
Texas vs. Central Arkansas - 2,908
NC State vs. Auburn -
Round 2
Texas vs. NC State - 3,476
Manhatten, Kansas
Round 1
Stanford vs. New Mexico State - 4,005
Kansas State vs. Drake - 4,005
Round 2
Stanford vs. Kansas State - 3,969
Stockton Regional
Columbia, South Carolina
Round 1
South Carolina vs. UNC Asheville -
Arizona State vs. Michigan State - 8,215
Round 2
South Carolina vs. Arizona State - 8,276
Coral Gables, Florida
Round 1
Miami vs. Florida Gulf Coast - 2,232
Marquette vs. Quinnipiac - 2,009
Round 2
Miami vs. Quinnipiac - 1,972
Tallahassee, Florida
Round 1
Florida State vs. Western Illinois - 4,147
Missouri vs. South Florida -
Round 2
Florida State vs. Missouri - 4,084
Corvallis, Oregon
Round 1
Oregon State vs. Long Beach State -
Creighton vs. Toledo - 4,692
Round 2
Oregon State vs. Creighton - 5,660
Reported Attendance Numbers came from box scores linked from the school's athletic websites:
*Some schools repeated the attendance for both games
*Some schools didn't report for the second game. I would assume they fall in the repeat attendance category.
*Two sites reported difference attendances for the games in Round One: Lexington and Corral Gables |
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summertime blues
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Posted: 03/30/17 3:44 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
There's also the matter of double punishing the mid-major conference teams. Not only are you eliminating their automatic tournament bids, you're also shortening their season. You're essentially saying this sport is only for the major conferences, everyone else can take a hike. |
This is a whole other subject that's become near and dear to my heart since I moved up here and became a JMU fan. The mid-majors definitely get screwed. I know we had pretty mixed feelings about losing our conference tourney and not getting a bid to the NCAA, but we knew we'd get one to the WNIT, and the consolation prize was not only getting to play 3 additional games, but beating UVA on our home court (and that was doubly sweet, because we know how much UVA teams and fans just *hate* to come up here!) We could have been getting our lunch eaten in the first round by some P5 team, having gotten hosed by SelComm like we did last year....like Elon did. I found the WNIT preferable, frankly.
However, it did make me think that they could conceivably have something like they do for football, where they have the FBS and FCS schools...or whatever that other division is. I know FCS because JMU won that whole thing this year. But I'm sure that idea would go over like the proverbial lead balloon.
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please...lets stop diminishing this sport by suggesting we have a "greater" league and a "lesser" league...ala FBS/FCS....
you know what?....people ENJOY watching the "lesser" schools IMO and many have good fan bases....
and their reward?....getting bunched together as if they're not worthy...
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pilight
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Posted: 03/31/17 6:48 am ::: |
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We could also stop pretending that attendance, or lack thereof, has anything to with the level of competition being exhibited.
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pilight wrote: |
We could also stop pretending that attendance, or lack thereof, has anything to with the level of competition being exhibited. |
HEAR, HEAR!
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