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ClayK



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PostPosted: 02/01/16 4:10 pm    ::: Top 20 players Reply Reply with quote

So who are the top 20 college basketball players so far this season?

This is not a career honor but for what's been accomplished this season. And it's about production, not potential.

I offer this list as cannon fodder:

Jillian Alleyne, Oregon
Ameryst Alston, Ohio State
Sophia Brunner, Arizona State
Adet Bulgak, Florida State
Nia Coffey, Northwestern
Nina Davis, Baylor
Nirra Fields, UCLA
Ruth Hamblin, Oregon State
Moriah Jefferson, Connecticut
Brittney Martin, Oklahoma State
Kelsey Mitchell, Ohio State
Tiffany Mitchell, South Carolina
Kelsey Plum, Washington
Aerial Powers, Michigan State
Breanna Stewart, Connecticut
Lili Thompson, Stanford
Brianna Turner, Notre Dame
Courtney Walker, Texas A&M
Shatori Walker‐Kimbrough, Maryland
A'ja Wilson, South Carolina



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PostPosted: 02/01/16 6:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I would have Shakayla Thomas on this list before Bulgak.

I would seriously consider including Mariella Fasoula of BC. It's a bad team, but she is performing at a very high individual level.

I don't think you can omit Azura Stevens.


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PostPosted: 02/01/16 6:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

1. Breanna Stewart, Huskies
2. Brittney Martin, Oklahoma State
3. Jillian Alleyne, Oregon
4. Shereesha Richards, Albany
5. Kelsey Minato, Army
6. Azura Stevens, Duke
7. Tori Jarosz, Marist
8. Rejane Verin, UC-Riverside
9. Rachel Banham, Minnesota
10. Jada Payne, ECU
11. Jonquel Jones, GW
12. Taylor Proctor, San Francisco
13. Kristen Anigwe, Cal
14. Kelsey Mitchell, Ohio State
15. Megan Podkowa, DePaul
16. A'ja Wilson, South Carolina
17. Kendall Noble, WKU
18. Kayleigh Valley, Montana
19. Brionna Jones, MD
20. Kelsey Plum, Washington

While some of these players may not be as good as say--Moriah Jefferson, I tend to look purely at statistics when deciding how "good" a player is. Moriah Jefferson is very good--but she doesn't get a lot of chances to make her stats stand out while the Kendall Nobles, the Tori Jarosz's, and other mid-majors do get that opportunity. I have a tendency to enjoy giving recognition to those who might not be seen at the major conference level--but they are performing incredibly well for their teams.

A few others I'd consider would be the following.

Shatori Walker-Kimbrough, MD
Kelsey Plum, Washington
Nia Coffey, Northwestern
Aerial Powers, MSU
Imani Boyette, Texas
Seanna Johnson, Iowa State
Emily Potter, Utah
Jess Shepard, Nebraska
Sarah Cash, Youngstown State
April Wilson, Purdue
Mikaela Shaw, Omaha
Ally Lehman, NIU
Nathalie Fontaine, BSU


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PostPosted: 02/01/16 7:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think that Makayla Epps at Kentucky needs to be in the conversation. They are struggling in the SEC right now, but she is carrying them.

And I say that as a die-hard Louisville fan.


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PostPosted: 02/01/16 7:21 pm    ::: Re: Top 20 players Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
So who are the top 20 college basketball players so far this season?

This is not a career honor but for what's been accomplished this season. And it's about production, not potential.

I offer this list as cannon fodder:

Jillian Alleyne, Oregon
Ameryst Alston, Ohio State
Sophia Brunner, Arizona State
Adet Bulgak, Florida State
Nia Coffey, Northwestern
Nina Davis, Baylor
Nirra Fields, UCLA
Ruth Hamblin, Oregon State
Moriah Jefferson, Connecticut
Brittney Martin, Oklahoma State
Kelsey Mitchell, Ohio State
Tiffany Mitchell, South Carolina
Kelsey Plum, Washington
Aerial Powers, Michigan State
Breanna Stewart, Connecticut
Lili Thompson, Stanford
Brianna Turner, Notre Dame
Courtney Walker, Texas A&M
Shatori Walker‐Kimbrough, Maryland
A'ja Wilson, South Carolina


Weisner on OSU instead of Hambin from OSU
Canada on UCLA instead of Fields from UCLA
Minato from Army instead of Lili Thompson from Stanford


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PostPosted: 02/01/16 9:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

FollowtheCardinalRule wrote:
1. Breanna Stewart, Huskies
2. Brittney Martin, Oklahoma State
3. Jillian Alleyne, Oregon
4. Shereesha Richards, Albany
5. Kelsey Minato, Army
6. Azura Stevens, Duke
7. Tori Jarosz, Marist
8. Rejane Verin, UC-Riverside
9. Rachel Banham, Minnesota
10. Jada Payne, ECU
11. Jonquel Jones, GW
12. Taylor Proctor, San Francisco
13. Kristen Anigwe, Cal
14. Kelsey Mitchell, Ohio State
15. Megan Podkowa, DePaul
16. A'ja Wilson, South Carolina
17. Kendall Noble, WKU
18. Kayleigh Valley, Montana
19. Brionna Jones, MD
20. Kelsey Plum, Washington

While some of these players may not be as good as say--Moriah Jefferson, I tend to look purely at statistics when deciding how "good" a player is. Moriah Jefferson is very good--but she doesn't get a lot of chances to make her stats stand out while the Kendall Nobles, the Tori Jarosz's, and other mid-majors do get that opportunity. I have a tendency to enjoy giving recognition to those who might not be seen at the major conference level--but they are performing incredibly well for their teams.

A few others I'd consider would be the following.

Shatori Walker-Kimbrough, MD
Kelsey Plum, Washington
Nia Coffey, Northwestern
Aerial Powers, MSU
Imani Boyette, Texas
Seanna Johnson, Iowa State
Emily Potter, Utah
Jess Shepard, Nebraska
Sarah Cash, Youngstown State
April Wilson, Purdue
Mikaela Shaw, Omaha
Ally Lehman, NIU
Nathalie Fontaine, BSU


If it's a statistical thing then why not just pick the top 10 scorers and top 10 rebounders? You left off Jasmine Nwajei, Lexi Eaton Rydalch, Jessica Kovatch , Lucy Mason & Katelynn Flaherty? They are all top 10 scorers this year.


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PostPosted: 02/02/16 9:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

FollowtheCardinalRule wrote:
1. Breanna Stewart, Huskies
2. Brittney Martin, Oklahoma State
3. Jillian Alleyne, Oregon
4. Shereesha Richards, Albany
5. Kelsey Minato, Army
6. Azura Stevens, Duke
7. Tori Jarosz, Marist
8. Rejane Verin, UC-Riverside
9. Rachel Banham, Minnesota
10. Jada Payne, ECU
11. Jonquel Jones, GW
12. Taylor Proctor, San Francisco
13. Kristen Anigwe, Cal
14. Kelsey Mitchell, Ohio State
15. Megan Podkowa, DePaul
16. A'ja Wilson, South Carolina
17. Kendall Noble, WKU
18. Kayleigh Valley, Montana
19. Brionna Jones, MD
20. Kelsey Plum, Washington

While some of these players may not be as good as say--Moriah Jefferson, I tend to look purely at statistics when deciding how "good" a player is. Moriah Jefferson is very good--but she doesn't get a lot of chances to make her stats stand out while the Kendall Nobles, the Tori Jarosz's, and other mid-majors do get that opportunity. I have a tendency to enjoy giving recognition to those who might not be seen at the major conference level--but they are performing incredibly well for their teams.

A few others I'd consider would be the following.

Shatori Walker-Kimbrough, MD
Kelsey Plum, Washington
Nia Coffey, Northwestern
Aerial Powers, MSU
Imani Boyette, Texas
Seanna Johnson, Iowa State
Emily Potter, Utah
Jess Shepard, Nebraska
Sarah Cash, Youngstown State
April Wilson, Purdue
Mikaela Shaw, Omaha
Ally Lehman, NIU
Nathalie Fontaine, BSU


Your emphasis statistical volume at the expense of statistical quality may work in fantasy leagues, but it is hardly fair when determining the best players. Most of these mid-majors are accumulating their stats against decidedly inferior competition. If you're going to list the 33 best college players and knowingly omit Moriah Jefferson, then I'm not sure what to say. And all 33 of these players are also better than Morgan Tuck, Nina Davis, Tiffany Mitchell and Brianna Turner? And kudos to Muffet and Mulkey for achieving top 5 status without any top 33 players.


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PostPosted: 02/02/16 9:43 am    ::: Re: Top 20 players Reply Reply with quote

IM in OC wrote:
ClayK wrote:
So who are the top 20 college basketball players so far this season?

This is not a career honor but for what's been accomplished this season. And it's about production, not potential.

I offer this list as cannon fodder:

Jillian Alleyne, Oregon
Ameryst Alston, Ohio State
Sophia Brunner, Arizona State
Adet Bulgak, Florida State
Nia Coffey, Northwestern
Nina Davis, Baylor
Nirra Fields, UCLA
Ruth Hamblin, Oregon State
Moriah Jefferson, Connecticut
Brittney Martin, Oklahoma State
Kelsey Mitchell, Ohio State
Tiffany Mitchell, South Carolina
Kelsey Plum, Washington
Aerial Powers, Michigan State
Breanna Stewart, Connecticut
Lili Thompson, Stanford
Brianna Turner, Notre Dame
Courtney Walker, Texas A&M
Shatori Walker‐Kimbrough, Maryland
A'ja Wilson, South Carolina


Weisner on OSU instead of Hambin from OSU
Canada on UCLA instead of Fields from UCLA
Minato from Army instead of Lili Thompson from Stanford


I agree with these changes and would also include Jonquel Jones at the expense of Brunner.


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PostPosted: 02/02/16 12:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Notes on Azur Stevens (prior to last night's ND game)

- Averaging 21.3 points and 10.5 rebounds in ACC games, which ranks second and first, respectively.

- Ranks sixth nationally in double-doubles (12), 40th in blocks (2.2), 23rd in field goal percentage (56.0), 45th in rebounds (9.5) and 38th in points per game (19.3).

- Of the 44 players in the nation that are averaging 19.3 points or better, Azur Stevens is one of only three of those that also are hitting 56.0 percent or better from the field.


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PostPosted: 02/02/16 12:27 pm    ::: Re: Top 20 players Reply Reply with quote

Fighting Artichoke wrote:
IM in OC wrote:
ClayK wrote:
So who are the top 20 college basketball players so far this season?

This is not a career honor but for what's been accomplished this season. And it's about production, not potential.

I offer this list as cannon fodder:

Jillian Alleyne, Oregon
Ameryst Alston, Ohio State
Sophia Brunner, Arizona State
Adet Bulgak, Florida State
Nia Coffey, Northwestern
Nina Davis, Baylor
Nirra Fields, UCLA
Ruth Hamblin, Oregon State
Moriah Jefferson, Connecticut
Brittney Martin, Oklahoma State
Kelsey Mitchell, Ohio State
Tiffany Mitchell, South Carolina
Kelsey Plum, Washington
Aerial Powers, Michigan State
Breanna Stewart, Connecticut
Lili Thompson, Stanford
Brianna Turner, Notre Dame
Courtney Walker, Texas A&M
Shatori Walker‐Kimbrough, Maryland
A'ja Wilson, South Carolina


Weisner on OSU instead of Hambin from OSU
Canada on UCLA instead of Fields from UCLA
Minato from Army instead of Lili Thompson from Stanford


I agree with these changes and would also include Jonquel Jones at the expense of Brunner.


Definitely not getting the love for Hamblin. She's big but slo-o-ow. Pegged that 2 years ago and haven't seen her speed up any yet.



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PostPosted: 02/02/16 1:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
Notes on Azur Stevens (prior to last night's ND game)

- Averaging 21.3 points and 10.5 rebounds in ACC games, which ranks second and first, respectively.

- Ranks sixth nationally in double-doubles (12), 40th in blocks (2.2), 23rd in field goal percentage (56.0), 45th in rebounds (9.5) and 38th in points per game (19.3).

- Of the 44 players in the nation that are averaging 19.3 points or better, Azur Stevens is one of only three of those that also are hitting 56.0 percent or better from the field.


Holy crap! I cannot believe that I didn't notice the omission of Azura Stevens. She is a top 10 player, so she is definitely in the top 20.


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PostPosted: 02/02/16 1:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

linkster wrote:
FollowtheCardinalRule wrote:
1. Breanna Stewart, Huskies
2. Brittney Martin, Oklahoma State
3. Jillian Alleyne, Oregon
4. Shereesha Richards, Albany
5. Kelsey Minato, Army
6. Azura Stevens, Duke
7. Tori Jarosz, Marist
8. Rejane Verin, UC-Riverside
9. Rachel Banham, Minnesota
10. Jada Payne, ECU
11. Jonquel Jones, GW
12. Taylor Proctor, San Francisco
13. Kristen Anigwe, Cal
14. Kelsey Mitchell, Ohio State
15. Megan Podkowa, DePaul
16. A'ja Wilson, South Carolina
17. Kendall Noble, WKU
18. Kayleigh Valley, Montana
19. Brionna Jones, MD
20. Kelsey Plum, Washington

While some of these players may not be as good as say--Moriah Jefferson, I tend to look purely at statistics when deciding how "good" a player is. Moriah Jefferson is very good--but she doesn't get a lot of chances to make her stats stand out while the Kendall Nobles, the Tori Jarosz's, and other mid-majors do get that opportunity. I have a tendency to enjoy giving recognition to those who might not be seen at the major conference level--but they are performing incredibly well for their teams.

A few others I'd consider would be the following.

Shatori Walker-Kimbrough, MD
Kelsey Plum, Washington
Nia Coffey, Northwestern
Aerial Powers, MSU
Imani Boyette, Texas
Seanna Johnson, Iowa State
Emily Potter, Utah
Jess Shepard, Nebraska
Sarah Cash, Youngstown State
April Wilson, Purdue
Mikaela Shaw, Omaha
Ally Lehman, NIU
Nathalie Fontaine, BSU


If it's a statistical thing then why not just pick the top 10 scorers and top 10 rebounders? You left off Jasmine Nwajei, Lexi Eaton Rydalch, Jessica Kovatch , Lucy Mason & Katelynn Flaherty? They are all top 10 scorers this year.


I tend to look at more than just scoring and rebounding when I look at statistics. These players who I've listed are among the most efficient in the nation in terms of their playing ability. This implies that they are able to combine some decent shooting with some other good facet of their game which may be rebounding or assists--or a combination of being able score, assist, and rebound.

The reason why I don't include Lexi, Jasmine, and Jessica is because they tend to be volume shooters--which may be what their team needs in order to get the job done.


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PostPosted: 02/02/16 3:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 02/02/16 5:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

FollowtheCardinalRule wrote:
1. Breanna Stewart, Huskies
2. Brittney Martin, Oklahoma State
3. Jillian Alleyne, Oregon
4. Shereesha Richards, Albany
5. Kelsey Minato, Army
6. Azura Stevens, Duke
7. Tori Jarosz, Marist
8. Rejane Verin, UC-Riverside
9. Rachel Banham, Minnesota
10. Jada Payne, ECU
11. Jonquel Jones, GW
12. Taylor Proctor, San Francisco
13. Kristen Anigwe, Cal
14. Kelsey Mitchell, Ohio State
15. Megan Podkowa, DePaul
16. A'ja Wilson, South Carolina
17. Kendall Noble, WKU
18. Kayleigh Valley, Montana
19. Brionna Jones, MD
20. Kelsey Plum, Washington

While some of these players may not be as good as say--Moriah Jefferson, I tend to look purely at statistics when deciding how "good" a player is. Moriah Jefferson is very good--but she doesn't get a lot of chances to make her stats stand out while the Kendall Nobles, the Tori Jarosz's, and other mid-majors do get that opportunity. I have a tendency to enjoy giving recognition to those who might not be seen at the major conference level--but they are performing incredibly well for their teams.

A few others I'd consider would be the following.

Shatori Walker-Kimbrough, MD
Kelsey Plum, Washington
Nia Coffey, Northwestern
Aerial Powers, MSU
Imani Boyette, Texas
Seanna Johnson, Iowa State
Emily Potter, Utah
Jess Shepard, Nebraska
Sarah Cash, Youngstown State
April Wilson, Purdue
Mikaela Shaw, Omaha
Ally Lehman, NIU
Nathalie Fontaine, BSU


Stats are a wonderful tool, but really, you would take Proctor, Valley or Noble as one of the best players in the country over Moriah Jefferson?

Clay asked who the 20 best players are.


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