RebKell's Junkie Boards
Board Junkies Forums
 
Log in Register FAQ Memberlist Search RebKell's Junkie Boards Forum Index

Speaking of NCAA scandals. . .
Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    RebKell's Junkie Boards Forum Index » NCAA Women's Basketball - General Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
ArtBest23



Joined: 02 Jul 2013
Posts: 14550



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/02/15 10:15 pm    ::: Speaking of NCAA scandals. . . Reply Reply with quote

there is this new and particularly nasty one at Louisville.

One wonders whether something this sleazy involving the MBB program could potentially have an impact on WBB recruiting, or whether any potential "lack of institutional control" sanctions could have a spillover to the women's program.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/louisville-investigating-allegations-basketball-staffer-paid-for-prostitutes-for-players--recruits-013459979.html


bballjunkie



Joined: 12 Aug 2014
Posts: 785



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/03/15 9:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Typical Louisville, nothing surprising here, more surprised that they have been able to abuse recruiting on both girls and boys for a long time.


dtrain34



Joined: 17 Aug 2010
Posts: 409
Location: Lacey, Washington


Back to top
PostPosted: 10/03/15 5:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Every time people start saying "oh, of course if happened at X University," two words spring to mind:

Sam Gilbert.


Durantula



Joined: 30 Mar 2013
Posts: 5223



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/10/15 8:23 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This is a unique take on the Louisville situation. Honestly some of this is sort of shocking if true, about the female student athletes not taking some of these issues seriously.

Louisville created and continues to nurture dangerous culture for women: http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/10/09/louisville-escort-scandal-ncaa-andre-mcgee-rick-pitino

In 2006, Louisville asked Redmond Brown to visit the school and talk about athletic culture and violence against women.

She has made a lot of those trips over the years, to a lot of athletic departments. She knows a bad reaction when she gets one.

“Sometimes you get a hostility to the message,” she says, and her trip to Louisville was one of those times. Redmond Brown remembers “laughing and snickers and shouting out that you normally don’t see.”

You might think she heard that from the football and men’s basketball players. You would be wrong.

“You’re getting it from the B sports, and from the girls,” Redmond Brown says. “That was much more troubling to me, was to get that from the girls. For the girls to talk to me, being hostile toward the other girls, even their own teammates … when you get that, you start wondering what’s there. You think: Something is not right in this environment.


Nixtreefan



Joined: 14 Nov 2012
Posts: 2539



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/10/15 9:22 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It's called money and power and if you think that only some of the male athletes are on the receiving end, I think that would be naive. There is a trend there that gives privileges to certain athletes in order to get them there and keep them there (specifically women as guys are 1 and done). For how much we are hearing, there must be many more instances that haven't been exposed. The biggest issues are that coaches think they are untouchable and that is a mentality of the university. Some of the same goes on at a lot of universities, it just hasn't been exposed, although we are hearing some of the extreme, I hope!


NoDakSt



Joined: 26 Oct 2005
Posts: 4929



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/10/15 1:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Durantula wrote:
This is a unique take on the Louisville situation. Honestly some of this is sort of shocking if true, about the female student athletes not taking some of these issues seriously.

Louisville created and continues to nurture dangerous culture for women: http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/10/09/louisville-escort-scandal-ncaa-andre-mcgee-rick-pitino

In 2006, Louisville asked Redmond Brown to visit the school and talk about athletic culture and violence against women.

She has made a lot of those trips over the years, to a lot of athletic departments. She knows a bad reaction when she gets one.

“Sometimes you get a hostility to the message,” she says, and her trip to Louisville was one of those times. Redmond Brown remembers “laughing and snickers and shouting out that you normally don’t see.”

You might think she heard that from the football and men’s basketball players. You would be wrong.

“You’re getting it from the B sports, and from the girls,” Redmond Brown says. “That was much more troubling to me, was to get that from the girls. For the girls to talk to me, being hostile toward the other girls, even their own teammates … when you get that, you start wondering what’s there. You think: Something is not right in this environment.



I've seen this behavior myself. In talking with traditional aged college student groups about gender issues and power, I've several times encountered females who were more defensive about the inequities and who defended males in the group or in society. And this isn't addressing issues of sexual violence or assault but in looking at language and societal gender stereotypes.


ArtBest23



Joined: 02 Jul 2013
Posts: 14550



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/10/15 4:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Nixtreefan wrote:
There is a trend there that gives privileges to certain athletes in order to get them there and keep them there (specifically women as guys are 1 and done).



Complete myth.

Just how many one-and-dones do you think there are? The number is infinitesimal. Pitino, for example, has not had a single one at Louisville. Not one. Ever.

I don't know why people look at Calipari and Kentucky and think everyone's like that. This year a total of 14 freshmen in the entire country declared for the NBA draft, and 8 of those 14 were from just three schools - Ky, Duke and Kansas. Meaning there were a whopping SIX one-and-dones combined at the other 348 schools playing Div I basketball.


Nixtreefan



Joined: 14 Nov 2012
Posts: 2539



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/11/15 10:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

HAHAHA so thats what you pick on in this whole thread, too funny, they can fuck everyone but god forbid they are not 1 and done. Most guys who play basketball think they are going to the NBA. Whether they make it or not, the type of recruits Louisville, Kentucky, Duke etc go after are wined and dined and bedded as it now is out.


Nixtreefan



Joined: 14 Nov 2012
Posts: 2539



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/11/15 10:32 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NoDakSt wrote:
Durantula wrote:
This is a unique take on the Louisville situation. Honestly some of this is sort of shocking if true, about the female student athletes not taking some of these issues seriously.

Louisville created and continues to nurture dangerous culture for women: http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/10/09/louisville-escort-scandal-ncaa-andre-mcgee-rick-pitino

In 2006, Louisville asked Redmond Brown to visit the school and talk about athletic culture and violence against women.

She has made a lot of those trips over the years, to a lot of athletic departments. She knows a bad reaction when she gets one.

“Sometimes you get a hostility to the message,” she says, and her trip to Louisville was one of those times. Redmond Brown remembers “laughing and snickers and shouting out that you normally don’t see.”

You might think she heard that from the football and men’s basketball players. You would be wrong.

“You’re getting it from the B sports, and from the girls,” Redmond Brown says. “That was much more troubling to me, was to get that from the girls. For the girls to talk to me, being hostile toward the other girls, even their own teammates … when you get that, you start wondering what’s there. You think: Something is not right in this environment.



I've seen this behavior myself. In talking with traditional aged college student groups about gender issues and power, I've several times encountered females who were more defensive about the inequities and who defended males in the group or in society. And this isn't addressing issues of sexual violence or assault but in looking at language and societal gender stereotypes.


Excellent point. The campus setting or placing athletes on pedestals makes some think they can do no wrong. When an athlete is dismissed from a team, I always wonder how much has gone on before, especially if the athlete was a prominent member of the team. There appears to be 2 sets of standards. Those for the stars and those for the bench players.


lvf08



Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Posts: 624



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 9:04 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Five ex-Louisville basketball players and recruits told OTL of parties at a dorm from 2010-14 that included strippers paid for by the team's graduate assistant coach

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13927159/former-louisville-cardinals-basketball-players-recruits-acknowledge-stripper-parties-minardi-hall


ArtBest23



Joined: 02 Jul 2013
Posts: 14550



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 9:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

lvf08 wrote:
Five ex-Louisville basketball players and recruits told OTL of parties at a dorm from 2010-14 that included strippers paid for by the team's graduate assistant coach

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13927159/former-louisville-cardinals-basketball-players-recruits-acknowledge-stripper-parties-minardi-hall


Countdown to the first post claiming "Oh that happens at every school" . . . . . . .
Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

I found particularly enlightening the passage 'Powell told Outside the Lines . . . that McGee also supplied cash for "side deals," which included sex with some . . .guardians who accompanied [recruits] on visits . . . ." Hadn't even considered that possibility. Got to "entertain" the parents or coaches too.


Nixtreefan



Joined: 14 Nov 2012
Posts: 2539



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 10:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So are we just doing those that have hit the news stands or all those simmering, as I just heard of another which could change some of the girls programs?


PUmatty



Joined: 10 Nov 2004
Posts: 16358
Location: Chicago


Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 10:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

[quote="ArtBest23"]
lvf08 wrote:
Five ex-Louisville basketball players and recruits told OTL of parties at a dorm from 2010-14 that included strippers paid for by the team's graduate assistant coach


Do people realize how little money graduate assistants make? The idea that one grad assistant, with his own money and without knowledge of the coaching staff, was paying for strippers and hookers seriously strains credulity.


myrtle



Joined: 02 May 2008
Posts: 32335



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 11:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

[quote="PUmatty"]
ArtBest23 wrote:
lvf08 wrote:
Five ex-Louisville basketball players and recruits told OTL of parties at a dorm from 2010-14 that included strippers paid for by the team's graduate assistant coach


Do people realize how little money graduate assistants make? The idea that one grad assistant, with his own money and without knowledge of the coaching staff, was paying for strippers and hookers seriously strains credulity.


perhaps 'independently wealthy' ? I certainly knew lots of those at Stanford - parents who not only paid for tuition, r&b, car and just about everything else, but also gave them a monthly allowance - just a thousand or two! Rolling Eyes



_________________
For there is always light,
if only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it.
- Amanda Gorman
pilight



Joined: 23 Sep 2004
Posts: 66900
Location: Where the action is


Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 11:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

[quote="myrtle"]
PUmatty wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
lvf08 wrote:
Five ex-Louisville basketball players and recruits told OTL of parties at a dorm from 2010-14 that included strippers paid for by the team's graduate assistant coach


Do people realize how little money graduate assistants make? The idea that one grad assistant, with his own money and without knowledge of the coaching staff, was paying for strippers and hookers seriously strains credulity.


perhaps 'independently wealthy' ? I certainly knew lots of those at Stanford - parents who not only paid for tuition, r&b, car and just about everything else, but also gave them a monthly allowance - just a thousand or two! Rolling Eyes


Louisville is not Stanford



_________________
I'm a lonely frog
I ain't got a home
justintyme



Joined: 08 Jul 2012
Posts: 8407
Location: Northfield, MN


Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 11:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PUmatty wrote:
lvf08 wrote:
Five ex-Louisville basketball players and recruits told OTL of parties at a dorm from 2010-14 that included strippers paid for by the team's graduate assistant coach


Do people realize how little money graduate assistants make? The idea that one grad assistant, with his own money and without knowledge of the coaching staff, was paying for strippers and hookers seriously strains credulity.

I don't think they believe that he was using his own money. A little "creative accounting" and he finds himself reimbursed by the school. I am sure they have a budget for recruiting visits, and I am sure that budget isn't small nor are there a lot of questions asked about it.

My guess is that a lot of willful ignorance was going on. "Don't ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies" kind of thinking.



_________________
↑↑↓↓â†â†’â†â†’BA
ArtBest23



Joined: 02 Jul 2013
Posts: 14550



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 12:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

[quote="myrtle"]
PUmatty wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:
lvf08 wrote:
Five ex-Louisville basketball players and recruits told OTL of parties at a dorm from 2010-14 that included strippers paid for by the team's graduate assistant coach


Do people realize how little money graduate assistants make? The idea that one grad assistant, with his own money and without knowledge of the coaching staff, was paying for strippers and hookers seriously strains credulity.


perhaps 'independently wealthy' ? I certainly knew lots of those at Stanford - parents who not only paid for tuition, r&b, car and just about everything else, but also gave them a monthly allowance - just a thousand or two! Rolling Eyes


He's not, by all accounts. That "he got the money from somewhere" seems to be the smoking gun. Follow the money. There's even a wire transfer payment to the madam evidently. If a bank is involved, the source of the funds should be traceable.

Although I suppose it's theoretically possible he was doing this with the support of some booster without any involvement of the basketball program, it's really hard to believe that this could go on for so long with so many players participating without anyone any other coach or administrator ever hearing the slightest thing about it. Indeed it's probably more likely than not that the money came from outside sources rather than from official accounts. But I'm still sceptical no one else knew about it.


ucbart



Joined: 21 Nov 2004
Posts: 2815
Location: New York


Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 12:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

lvf08 wrote:
Five ex-Louisville basketball players and recruits told OTL of parties at a dorm from 2010-14 that included strippers paid for by the team's graduate assistant coach

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13927159/former-louisville-cardinals-basketball-players-recruits-acknowledge-stripper-parties-minardi-hall



What's particularly crazy about these allegations is that some of the recruits may very well have been minors. I mean, condoning/buying strippers for kids that aren't even out of high school yet to get them to play for your basketball programs? WHOA!


pilight



Joined: 23 Sep 2004
Posts: 66900
Location: Where the action is


Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 12:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ucbart wrote:
lvf08 wrote:
Five ex-Louisville basketball players and recruits told OTL of parties at a dorm from 2010-14 that included strippers paid for by the team's graduate assistant coach

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13927159/former-louisville-cardinals-basketball-players-recruits-acknowledge-stripper-parties-minardi-hall



What's particularly crazy about these allegations is that some of the recruits may very well have been minors. I mean, condoning/buying strippers for kids that aren't even out of high school yet to get them to play for your basketball programs? WHOA!


The age of consent in Kentucky is 16. I doubt any of the recruits were younger than that.



_________________
I'm a lonely frog
I ain't got a home
Nixtreefan



Joined: 14 Nov 2012
Posts: 2539



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 12:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Of course they knew. All the top teams get players by getting boosters/club go betweens to come to their schools by giving bonuses to them for signing. Sometimes they are called NBA loans LOL. Hookers, they probably thought they were being very creative, or the type of players they were recruiting seemed to find that attractive, just like Walz and his billboards hehe. I wonder when the drug scene will come to lite as it appears that there are some where drugs like Aderrall is the current preference for performance enhancement.


ArtBest23



Joined: 02 Jul 2013
Posts: 14550



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 1:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:


Countdown to the first post claiming "Oh that happens at every school" . . . . . . .
Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


Congratulations. 3 1/2 hours. And the winner is:

Nixtreefan wrote:
All the top teams get players by getting boosters/club go betweens to come to their schools by giving bonuses to them for signing.


Ex-Ref



Joined: 04 Oct 2009
Posts: 8942



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 1:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

[quote="PUmatty"]
ArtBest23 wrote:
lvf08 wrote:
Five ex-Louisville basketball players and recruits told OTL of parties at a dorm from 2010-14 that included strippers paid for by the team's graduate assistant coach


Do people realize how little money graduate assistants make? The idea that one grad assistant, with his own money and without knowledge of the coaching staff, was paying for strippers and hookers seriously strains credulity.



Not much difference, but this story has him as DBO.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2015/10/20/louisville-recruiting-escort-strippers-katina-powell/74259456/

Quote:
overseen by Andre McGee, Louisville's director of basketball operations at the time.




Then there's this about why Pitino should be fired:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2015/10/20/rick-pitino-louisville-sex-parties-katina-powell/74267474/


justintyme



Joined: 08 Jul 2012
Posts: 8407
Location: Northfield, MN


Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 1:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

OTL interviewed Katina Powell about all of this on their program today. They also interviewed her two daughters who were involved in this...(there was a third that was also involved but who wasn't interviewed).

So yeah, not to get lost in the Louisville/Pitino side of this, is a woman WHO PIMPED OUT HER OWN DAUGHTERS.

Seriously, WTF.



_________________
↑↑↓↓â†â†’â†â†’BA
justintyme



Joined: 08 Jul 2012
Posts: 8407
Location: Northfield, MN


Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 1:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

And her youngest daughter, who was not interviewed, would have been 15 when all of this began. Katina Powell admits that all three of her daughters were paid for sex at some point, but that they were all adults at the time. While it is feasible that the youngest was only included in the family business after she turned 18, that is a very eyebrow-raising circumstance. And even if it did happen after 18, it raises some serious questions about grooming....



_________________
↑↑↓↓â†â†’â†â†’BA
Nixtreefan



Joined: 14 Nov 2012
Posts: 2539



Back to top
PostPosted: 10/20/15 2:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
ArtBest23 wrote:


Countdown to the first post claiming "Oh that happens at every school" . . . . . . .
Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


Congratulations. 3 1/2 hours. And the winner is:

Nixtreefan wrote:
All the top teams get players by getting boosters/club go betweens to come to their schools by giving bonuses to them for signing.


Oopsy not so fast, Art said ALL schools, I said top schools, unless you think every school is a TOP school Wink But only the TOP schools have that kind of following and money, recruits - signs with TOP school, suddenly show up with nice new expensive toys, seen it with my own eyes along with friends in the business. You guys need to read the book about Pat Barrett, explains about the whales that fund AAU and it's even more lucrative when the colleges get involved Laughing

BTW Art just for you I heard that ND offers the guy recruits parents charter flights to games Wink


Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    RebKell's Junkie Boards Forum Index » NCAA Women's Basketball - General Discussion All times are GMT - 5 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next
Page 1 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB 2.0.17 © 2001- 2004 phpBB Group
phpBB Template by Vjacheslav Trushkin