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ArtBest23
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bballjunkie
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Posted: 10/03/15 9:31 am ::: |
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Typical Louisville, nothing surprising here, more surprised that they have been able to abuse recruiting on both girls and boys for a long time.
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dtrain34
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Posted: 10/03/15 5:24 pm ::: |
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Every time people start saying "oh, of course if happened at X University," two words spring to mind:
Sam Gilbert.
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Durantula
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Posted: 10/10/15 8:23 am ::: |
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This is a unique take on the Louisville situation. Honestly some of this is sort of shocking if true, about the female student athletes not taking some of these issues seriously.
Louisville created and continues to nurture dangerous culture for women: http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/10/09/louisville-escort-scandal-ncaa-andre-mcgee-rick-pitino
In 2006, Louisville asked Redmond Brown to visit the school and talk about athletic culture and violence against women.
She has made a lot of those trips over the years, to a lot of athletic departments. She knows a bad reaction when she gets one.
“Sometimes you get a hostility to the message,” she says, and her trip to Louisville was one of those times. Redmond Brown remembers “laughing and snickers and shouting out that you normally don’t see.”
You might think she heard that from the football and men’s basketball players. You would be wrong.
“You’re getting it from the B sports, and from the girls,” Redmond Brown says. “That was much more troubling to me, was to get that from the girls. For the girls to talk to me, being hostile toward the other girls, even their own teammates … when you get that, you start wondering what’s there. You think: Something is not right in this environment.
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Nixtreefan
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Posted: 10/10/15 9:22 am ::: |
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It's called money and power and if you think that only some of the male athletes are on the receiving end, I think that would be naive. There is a trend there that gives privileges to certain athletes in order to get them there and keep them there (specifically women as guys are 1 and done). For how much we are hearing, there must be many more instances that haven't been exposed. The biggest issues are that coaches think they are untouchable and that is a mentality of the university. Some of the same goes on at a lot of universities, it just hasn't been exposed, although we are hearing some of the extreme, I hope!
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NoDakSt
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Posted: 10/10/15 1:16 pm ::: |
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Durantula wrote: |
This is a unique take on the Louisville situation. Honestly some of this is sort of shocking if true, about the female student athletes not taking some of these issues seriously.
Louisville created and continues to nurture dangerous culture for women: http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/10/09/louisville-escort-scandal-ncaa-andre-mcgee-rick-pitino
In 2006, Louisville asked Redmond Brown to visit the school and talk about athletic culture and violence against women.
She has made a lot of those trips over the years, to a lot of athletic departments. She knows a bad reaction when she gets one.
“Sometimes you get a hostility to the message,” she says, and her trip to Louisville was one of those times. Redmond Brown remembers “laughing and snickers and shouting out that you normally don’t see.”
You might think she heard that from the football and men’s basketball players. You would be wrong.
“You’re getting it from the B sports, and from the girls,” Redmond Brown says. “That was much more troubling to me, was to get that from the girls. For the girls to talk to me, being hostile toward the other girls, even their own teammates … when you get that, you start wondering what’s there. You think: Something is not right in this environment. |
I've seen this behavior myself. In talking with traditional aged college student groups about gender issues and power, I've several times encountered females who were more defensive about the inequities and who defended males in the group or in society. And this isn't addressing issues of sexual violence or assault but in looking at language and societal gender stereotypes.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 10/10/15 4:25 pm ::: |
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Nixtreefan wrote: |
There is a trend there that gives privileges to certain athletes in order to get them there and keep them there (specifically women as guys are 1 and done). |
Complete myth.
Just how many one-and-dones do you think there are? The number is infinitesimal. Pitino, for example, has not had a single one at Louisville. Not one. Ever.
I don't know why people look at Calipari and Kentucky and think everyone's like that. This year a total of 14 freshmen in the entire country declared for the NBA draft, and 8 of those 14 were from just three schools - Ky, Duke and Kansas. Meaning there were a whopping SIX one-and-dones combined at the other 348 schools playing Div I basketball.
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Nixtreefan
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Posted: 10/11/15 10:25 am ::: |
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HAHAHA so thats what you pick on in this whole thread, too funny, they can fuck everyone but god forbid they are not 1 and done. Most guys who play basketball think they are going to the NBA. Whether they make it or not, the type of recruits Louisville, Kentucky, Duke etc go after are wined and dined and bedded as it now is out.
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Nixtreefan
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Posted: 10/11/15 10:32 am ::: |
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NoDakSt wrote: |
Durantula wrote: |
This is a unique take on the Louisville situation. Honestly some of this is sort of shocking if true, about the female student athletes not taking some of these issues seriously.
Louisville created and continues to nurture dangerous culture for women: http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/10/09/louisville-escort-scandal-ncaa-andre-mcgee-rick-pitino
In 2006, Louisville asked Redmond Brown to visit the school and talk about athletic culture and violence against women.
She has made a lot of those trips over the years, to a lot of athletic departments. She knows a bad reaction when she gets one.
“Sometimes you get a hostility to the message,” she says, and her trip to Louisville was one of those times. Redmond Brown remembers “laughing and snickers and shouting out that you normally don’t see.”
You might think she heard that from the football and men’s basketball players. You would be wrong.
“You’re getting it from the B sports, and from the girls,” Redmond Brown says. “That was much more troubling to me, was to get that from the girls. For the girls to talk to me, being hostile toward the other girls, even their own teammates … when you get that, you start wondering what’s there. You think: Something is not right in this environment. |
I've seen this behavior myself. In talking with traditional aged college student groups about gender issues and power, I've several times encountered females who were more defensive about the inequities and who defended males in the group or in society. And this isn't addressing issues of sexual violence or assault but in looking at language and societal gender stereotypes. |
Excellent point. The campus setting or placing athletes on pedestals makes some think they can do no wrong. When an athlete is dismissed from a team, I always wonder how much has gone on before, especially if the athlete was a prominent member of the team. There appears to be 2 sets of standards. Those for the stars and those for the bench players.
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ArtBest23
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Nixtreefan
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Posted: 10/20/15 10:49 am ::: |
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So are we just doing those that have hit the news stands or all those simmering, as I just heard of another which could change some of the girls programs?
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PUmatty
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Posted: 10/20/15 10:52 am ::: |
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lvf08 wrote: |
Five ex-Louisville basketball players and recruits told OTL of parties at a dorm from 2010-14 that included strippers paid for by the team's graduate assistant coach |
Do people realize how little money graduate assistants make? The idea that one grad assistant, with his own money and without knowledge of the coaching staff, was paying for strippers and hookers seriously strains credulity.
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pilight
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justintyme
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Posted: 10/20/15 11:30 am ::: |
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PUmatty wrote: |
lvf08 wrote: |
Five ex-Louisville basketball players and recruits told OTL of parties at a dorm from 2010-14 that included strippers paid for by the team's graduate assistant coach |
Do people realize how little money graduate assistants make? The idea that one grad assistant, with his own money and without knowledge of the coaching staff, was paying for strippers and hookers seriously strains credulity. |
I don't think they believe that he was using his own money. A little "creative accounting" and he finds himself reimbursed by the school. I am sure they have a budget for recruiting visits, and I am sure that budget isn't small nor are there a lot of questions asked about it.
My guess is that a lot of willful ignorance was going on. "Don't ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies" kind of thinking.
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ArtBest23
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ucbart
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Posted: 10/20/15 12:09 pm ::: |
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What's particularly crazy about these allegations is that some of the recruits may very well have been minors. I mean, condoning/buying strippers for kids that aren't even out of high school yet to get them to play for your basketball programs? WHOA!
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pilight
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Posted: 10/20/15 12:18 pm ::: |
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ucbart wrote: |
What's particularly crazy about these allegations is that some of the recruits may very well have been minors. I mean, condoning/buying strippers for kids that aren't even out of high school yet to get them to play for your basketball programs? WHOA! |
The age of consent in Kentucky is 16. I doubt any of the recruits were younger than that.
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Nixtreefan
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Posted: 10/20/15 12:30 pm ::: |
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Of course they knew. All the top teams get players by getting boosters/club go betweens to come to their schools by giving bonuses to them for signing. Sometimes they are called NBA loans LOL. Hookers, they probably thought they were being very creative, or the type of players they were recruiting seemed to find that attractive, just like Walz and his billboards hehe. I wonder when the drug scene will come to lite as it appears that there are some where drugs like Aderrall is the current preference for performance enhancement.
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justintyme
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Posted: 10/20/15 1:36 pm ::: |
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OTL interviewed Katina Powell about all of this on their program today. They also interviewed her two daughters who were involved in this...(there was a third that was also involved but who wasn't interviewed).
So yeah, not to get lost in the Louisville/Pitino side of this, is a woman WHO PIMPED OUT HER OWN DAUGHTERS.
Seriously, WTF.
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justintyme
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Posted: 10/20/15 1:54 pm ::: |
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And her youngest daughter, who was not interviewed, would have been 15 when all of this began. Katina Powell admits that all three of her daughters were paid for sex at some point, but that they were all adults at the time. While it is feasible that the youngest was only included in the family business after she turned 18, that is a very eyebrow-raising circumstance. And even if it did happen after 18, it raises some serious questions about grooming....
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