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ArtBest23
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Posted: 01/28/15 6:37 pm ::: McDonalds AA game rosters announced |
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Was on ESPNU at 6pm today
EAST TEAM
DeJanae Boykin, F, Charles H. Flowers (Springdale, Md.) Connecticut
Taja Cole, PG, Lloyd C. Bird (Chesterfield, Va.) Louisville
Asia Durr, PG, St. Pius X Catholic (Atlanta) Louisville
Brianna Fraser, F, South Shore Victory Collegiate (Brooklyn, N.Y.) Maryland
Samantha Fuehring, F, Immaculate Conception (Montclair, N.J.) Louisville
Kiah Gillespie, F, The Capital Preparatory (Hartford, Conn.) Maryland
Marina Mabrey, G, Manasquan (Manasquan, N.J.) Notre Dame
Beatrice Mompremier, C, Miami Senior (Miami) Baylor
Taylor Murray, PG, Annapolis Area Christian (Severn, Md.) Kentucky
Arike Ogunbowale, PG, Divine Savior Holy Angels (Milwaukee, Wis.) Notre Dame
Ali Patberg, G, Columbus North (Columbus, Ind.) Notre Dame
Deja Strother, C, Inglemoor (Kenmore, Wash.) Washington
WEST TEAM
Kristine Anigwe, C, Desert Vista (Phoenix) California
Kalani Brown, C, Salmen (Slidell, La.) Baylor
Napheesa Collier, SF, Incarnate Word Academy (St. Louis, Mo.) Connecticut
Tea Cooper, PG, McEachern (Powder Springs, Ga.) Tennessee
Sophie Cunningham, G, Rock Bridge (Columbia, Mo.) Missouri
Ashley Hearn, F, Sachse (Sachse, Texas) UCLA
Lashann Higgs, G, Cedar Ridge (Round Rock, Texas) Texas
Jordan Hosey, SF, Manvel (Manvel, Texas) Texas
Kyra Lambert, PG, Samuel Clemens (Schertz, Texas) Duke
Katie Lou Samuelson, SF, Mater Dei (Santa Ana, Calif.) Connecticut
Destinee Walker, SF, Lake Highland Preparatory (Orlando, Fla.) UNC
Stephanie Watts, G, Weddington (Matthews, N.C.) UNC
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ripleydc
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Posted: 01/29/15 10:05 am ::: |
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By schools:
3 - UConn, Louisville & ND
2 -UNC, Maryland, Baylor, Texas
1 - Duke, Kentucky, Washington, California, Tennessee, Missouri, UCLA
Pretty much all the usual suspects. The *old* Big East just keeps reloading.
Interesting, only one Lady Vols player; that seems below average. Duke only has one, but they have a Spanish super-star arriving in 2015 in addition to their one Burger girl, so they're in good shape.
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sammieee
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Posted: 01/29/15 10:22 am ::: |
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Happy for Deja Strother! Totally underrated.
What exactly is the criteria that voters vote for? Just who they feel are the best 24 players in the class?
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ClayK
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Posted: 01/29/15 11:22 am ::: |
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There are no criteria ...
The voters pick 20, and then Morgan Wootten, who has little background in the women's game, consults with some experts (Mike Flynn among them) and picks the last four.
You do have to vote by position, but they tell you to fudge the positions to get the best players in.
At best, it's an impossible task, because who can really say whether Deja Strother is better than Victoria Harris, say.
One odd note: Strother, from Washington, is on the East team; Kalani Brown, from Louisiana, is on the West. Both are posts, so I don't really get why.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 01/29/15 11:35 am ::: |
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ripleydc wrote: |
By schools:
3 - UConn, Louisville & ND
2 -UNC, Maryland, Baylor, Texas
1 - Duke, Kentucky, Washington, California, Tennessee, Missouri, UCLA
Pretty much all the usual suspects. The *old* Big East just keeps reloading.
Interesting, only one Lady Vols player; that seems below average. Duke only has one, but they have a Spanish super-star arriving in 2015 in addition to their one Burger girl, so they're in good shape. |
Notre Dame next year will have nine McD AAs on the roster.
By conference:
ACC 9 (4 teams)
B12 4 (2 teams)
SEC 3 (3 teams)
AAC 3 (All UConn)
PAC 3 (3 teams)
B10 2 (Both Maryland)
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patsweetpat
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Posted: 01/29/15 1:36 pm ::: |
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ClayK wrote: |
One odd note: Strother, from Washington, is on the East team; Kalani Brown, from Louisiana, is on the West. Both are posts, so I don't really get why. |
I noticed that too and was gonna ask you why, but now I won't bother.
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GEF34
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Posted: 01/29/15 2:37 pm ::: |
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ripleydc wrote: |
Interesting, only one Lady Vols player; that seems below average. |
In 4 of the past 7 games there has only been 1 player who has committed to Tennessee.
And in half the games in history (7 of 14) there have been 0-1 Tennessee commits selected.
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ripleydc
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Posted: 01/29/15 2:56 pm ::: |
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GEF34 wrote: |
ripleydc wrote: |
Interesting, only one Lady Vols player; that seems below average. |
In 4 of the past 7 games there has only been 1 player who has committed to Tennessee.
And in half the games in history (7 of 14) there have been 0-1 Tennessee commits selected. |
Huh, that is interesting. I just assumed LVs regularly sent players to the Golden Arches game.
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GEF34
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Posted: 01/29/15 3:01 pm ::: |
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ripleydc wrote: |
GEF34 wrote: |
ripleydc wrote: |
Interesting, only one Lady Vols player; that seems below average. |
In 4 of the past 7 games there has only been 1 player who has committed to Tennessee.
And in half the games in history (7 of 14) there have been 0-1 Tennessee commits selected. |
Huh, that is interesting. I just assumed LVs regularly sent players to the Golden Arches game. |
I was surprised by the numbers as well when I was looking up the info. I thought it would have been a few games, not half, and I was really surprised that 2 games has no commits selected.
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 01/29/15 3:43 pm ::: |
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The top recruits are still concentrating in the same handful of schools. Deep parity among the 349 D1 schools is hopeless. |
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dfineguy
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Posted: 01/29/15 3:44 pm ::: |
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patsweetpat wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
One odd note: Strother, from Washington, is on the East team; Kalani Brown, from Louisiana, is on the West. Both are posts, so I don't really get why. |
I noticed that too and was gonna ask you why, but now I won't bother. |
At least we will get to see Anigwe vs. Strother, a match-up in the PAC-12 for the next 4 years.
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ArtBest23
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myrtle
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Posted: 01/29/15 3:55 pm ::: |
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patsweetpat wrote: |
ClayK wrote: |
One odd note: Strother, from Washington, is on the East team; Kalani Brown, from Louisiana, is on the West. Both are posts, so I don't really get why. |
I noticed that too and was gonna ask you why, but now I won't bother. |
ditto. thought that was really strange.
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if only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it.
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linkster
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Posted: 01/29/15 4:46 pm ::: |
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ripleydc wrote: |
GEF34 wrote: |
ripleydc wrote: |
Interesting, only one Lady Vols player; that seems below average. |
In 4 of the past 7 games there has only been 1 player who has committed to Tennessee.
And in half the games in history (7 of 14) there have been 0-1 Tennessee commits selected. |
Huh, that is interesting. I just assumed LVs regularly sent players to the Golden Arches game. |
For a couple of decades girls who dreamed of playing in a FF were lured to Tenn. That hasn't been the case for 6+ years. This year's 17 year olds were 10 or 11 the last time the LV's made it to the FF.
Once Warlick gets them back there a couple of times the McDAA's will also be back.
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linkster
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Posted: 01/29/15 5:02 pm ::: |
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GlennMacGrady wrote: |
The top recruits are still concentrating in the same handful of schools. Deep parity among the 349 D1 schools is hopeless. |
20 players over 14 teams. How far can they spread? And why wouldn't they gravitate to the schools that either have fantastic BB facilities such as Tenn & UConn or to schools that have elite level academics?
What will increase parity is a bigger pool of elite level players. The problem is in the HS and AAU programs.
One interesting thing is that almost half of the men's McDAA's are still uncommitted.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 01/29/15 6:45 pm ::: |
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linkster wrote: |
GlennMacGrady wrote: |
The top recruits are still concentrating in the same handful of schools. Deep parity among the 349 D1 schools is hopeless. |
20 players over 14 teams. How far can they spread? And why wouldn't they gravitate to the schools that either have fantastic BB facilities such as Tenn & UConn or to schools that have elite level academics?
What will increase parity is a bigger pool of elite level players. The problem is in the HS and AAU programs.
One interesting thing is that almost half of the men's McDAA's are still uncommitted. |
First, there are 24, not 20, players.
Second, it's not the number of schools, it's that it's the same schools all the time.
In 2013 there were eight players going to eight schools that I would not call "usual suspects". Last year there were five players going to four schools that aren't typical. This year there are only two players attending two schools other than the usual suspects. So if this is a meaningful sample at all, it would suggest the concentration is getting worse.
The 24 players don't have to be spread among 24 schools. It's ok if some schools get 2 or 3. But it would be nice if some of the players were selecting schools other than the usual dozen.
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Durantula
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Posted: 01/29/15 7:00 pm ::: |
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Tennessee has 9 McDonald's All Americans on their roster. I'm pretty sure they are going to be fine and the thing is towards the bottom of the top 24 there's not a lot of difference between someone who just makes the game and just misses out. I think Tenn has another commit who is highly ranked but just didn't make the game.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 01/29/15 7:23 pm ::: |
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Durantula wrote: |
Tennessee has 9 McDonald's All Americans on their roster. I'm pretty sure they are going to be fine and the thing is towards the bottom of the top 24 there's not a lot of difference between someone who just makes the game and just misses out. I think Tenn has another commit who is highly ranked but just didn't make the game. |
Who are the nine? I only count seven including Russell and DeShields who aren't on this year's active roster.
Next year will be 6 I think.
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Durantula
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Posted: 01/29/15 7:54 pm ::: |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
Durantula wrote: |
Tennessee has 9 McDonald's All Americans on their roster. I'm pretty sure they are going to be fine and the thing is towards the bottom of the top 24 there's not a lot of difference between someone who just makes the game and just misses out. I think Tenn has another commit who is highly ranked but just didn't make the game. |
Who are the nine? I only count seven including Russell and DeShields who aren't on this year's active roster.
Next year will be 6 I think. |
Sorry, it was 8. Jannah Tucker was not a McDonald's All American because she missed her senior year, but was considered a top 5 or top 10 recruit. Almost like the girl this year going to Nebraska. Not in the game, but basically the same caliber, an elite recruit who would be in the game if they weren't hurt.
Cierra Burdick
Diamond DeShields
Bashaara Graves
Ariel Massengale
Alexa Middleton
Jaime Nared
Jordan Reynolds
Mercedes Russell
Tenn will be fine, they lose Burdick and Massengale of the AA's and add Cooper. A lot of Tenn's top players are still young so it may just be hard to attract players when DeShields, Middleton, Nared, Russell, and Tucker all have 3 years of eligibility after this year. Thing is even with all these big names, their best player is probably Harrison who WASN'T an AA.
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summertime blues
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Posted: 01/29/15 8:03 pm ::: |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
linkster wrote: |
GlennMacGrady wrote: |
The top recruits are still concentrating in the same handful of schools. Deep parity among the 349 D1 schools is hopeless. |
20 players over 14 teams. How far can they spread? And why wouldn't they gravitate to the schools that either have fantastic BB facilities such as Tenn & UConn or to schools that have elite level academics?
What will increase parity is a bigger pool of elite level players. The problem is in the HS and AAU programs.
One interesting thing is that almost half of the men's McDAA's are still uncommitted. |
First, there are 24, not 20, players.
Second, it's not the number of schools, it's that it's the same schools all the time.
In 2013 there were eight players going to eight schools that I would not call "usual suspects". Last year there were five players going to four schools that aren't typical. This year there are only two players attending two schools other than the usual suspects. So if this is a meaningful sample at all, it would suggest the concentration is getting worse.
The 24 players don't have to be spread among 24 schools. It's ok if some schools get 2 or 3. But it would be nice if some of the players were selecting schools other than the usual dozen. |
I wonder if they don't pick the teams by the schools the players have committed to, at least partially......like they think that will increase the viewership or something, since those schools are more likely to be in the E8/FF and it's held during that time of year.
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linkster
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Posted: 01/30/15 12:19 am ::: |
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UConn has 11 players on it's current roster. Only 6 were McD AA's. Pulido, Lawlor, Chong, Nurse and Ekmark were not.
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ClayK
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Posted: 01/30/15 10:35 am ::: |
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summertime blues wrote: |
ArtBest23 wrote: |
linkster wrote: |
GlennMacGrady wrote: |
The top recruits are still concentrating in the same handful of schools. Deep parity among the 349 D1 schools is hopeless. |
20 players over 14 teams. How far can they spread? And why wouldn't they gravitate to the schools that either have fantastic BB facilities such as Tenn & UConn or to schools that have elite level academics?
What will increase parity is a bigger pool of elite level players. The problem is in the HS and AAU programs.
One interesting thing is that almost half of the men's McDAA's are still uncommitted. |
First, there are 24, not 20, players.
Second, it's not the number of schools, it's that it's the same schools all the time.
In 2013 there were eight players going to eight schools that I would not call "usual suspects". Last year there were five players going to four schools that aren't typical. This year there are only two players attending two schools other than the usual suspects. So if this is a meaningful sample at all, it would suggest the concentration is getting worse.
The 24 players don't have to be spread among 24 schools. It's ok if some schools get 2 or 3. But it would be nice if some of the players were selecting schools other than the usual dozen. |
I wonder if they don't pick the teams by the schools the players have committed to, at least partially......like they think that will increase the viewership or something, since those schools are more likely to be in the E8/FF and it's held during that time of year. |
I don't think viewership is an issue -- the only reason they show the game is that they show the boys.
I think, however, there's a perception among voters who haven't seen all the players that if one of the top schools recruits a player, she must be pretty good -- and I think there's some truth in that. Just look at who gets drafted by the WNBA, and the correlation, though not complete, is pretty clear.
With girls especially, who mature earlier than boys, it's easier to identify exceptional talent early in high school because a lot of times what you see as a freshman is what you get. With boys, obviously, some can grow six inches or more in high school and it changes everything.
What that means is that the elite schools can hone in on prospects a lot earlier and you don't get the player who was recruited early and only by a smaller school who responds to that early recognition with loyalty.
For example, Geno Auriemma came to California to see Sabrina Ionescu as a sophomore because it was clear then she would be a top recruit -- and she is.
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ArtBest23
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Posted: 01/30/15 11:10 am ::: |
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I just noticed that another school missing from the game is Stanford, and on checking further it appears they have no top 40 recruits for 2015.
Stanford needs a talent infusion to keep up even in the PAC, not to mention nationally, and one 5'7" guard in two years (Wilson 2016) isn't going to cut it. Are they the likely destination for any other top 2016 recruits? If not, what's going on there?
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 01/30/15 7:35 pm ::: |
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ArtBest23 wrote: |
GlennMacGrady wrote: |
The top recruits are still concentrating in the same handful of schools. Deep parity among the 349 D1 schools is hopeless. |
I was told they would start flocking to SMU and Houston and UCF for the chance to play against UConn. |
People actually think highly ranked recruits would go to an AAC school just so they can play against UConn? I would think the opposite mental process is more likely--that they would avoid a conference where they will have no chance of winning the conference championship or getting an NCAA auto bid.
This is even sillier than the claim I've read from UConn fanbois that the Big East Conference got better because of UConn WCBB. First of all, the Big East was a dominant men's basketball conference before UConn ever won it's first WCBB NC in 1995. Second, the Big East Conference became really good in WCBB because Notre Dame, Rutgers and West Virginia joined in 1995 and Louisville, DePaul and South Florida joined in 2005. |
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Durantula
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Posted: 01/30/15 10:38 pm ::: |
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Did I count this right? Looks like only 6 of the 24 All Americans are going to college in their home state. So much for instate advantage.
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